2012-2013 NBA Season Thread

[FRpilot]

i'm kind of in different about the situation.

lin got offered 25M over 3 years. even though it's structured to pay him $5M, $5M, and $15M over the three years, if i did my math correctly it averages out to about 8.3M per year. imo, i think that's kind of a lot for a player who had 3 good weeks. however, teams gamble and pay players based on potential all the time. boston just paid jeff green big money after coming off heart surgery based on his potential. i'm happy for lin since he worked his ass off and got rewarded with a large contract offer, but i don't feel he deserved it after 3 weeks. i hope he can get better and feel he has to earn his paycheck by working on his game and improving. he could also just mail it in and be like baron davis after he gets his fat paychecks, but either way houston still makes a lot of money off his marketing potential. i think they can recoup that $25M contract back easily.

at the same time, what carmelo said does make him an ass. i think he's jealous of the attention lin got in new york and the threat that lin could potentially steal his spotlight and be the hero in new york. he doesn't say that because no one likes to admit that they are jealous, but we all know melo is not the humble guy he makes himself seem. why say something negative about your teammate? if he was a good teammate he should be happy for lin and encourage him, which he did but he also added that "ridiculous contract" part when he could have omitted it. it's even more ironic that he said that when many people feel that he doesn't deserve his "ridiculous" max contract, but i'm sure in his mind he feels deserves it because he averages 28ppg while everyone around him sucks (as if that's their fault).

the difference is that lin still has time and the potential to get better. carmelo can still become a better player if he wants to, but his window is quickly closing.

[Gnnr]

Cavs' Irving breaks hand slapping wall padding - ESPN

Well, atleast it wasn't a fire extinguisher.

[tricky_ab]

Originally Posted by FRpilot

i'm kind of in different about the situation.

lin got offered 25M over 3 years. even though it's structured to pay him $5M, $5M, and $15M over the three years, if i did my math correctly it averages out to about 8.3M per year. imo, i think that's kind of a lot for a player who had 3 good weeks. however, teams gamble and pay players based on potential all the time. boston just paid jeff green big money after coming off heart surgery based on his potential. i'm happy for lin since he worked his ass off and got rewarded with a large contract offer, but i don't feel he deserved it after 3 weeks. i hope he can get better and feel he has to earn his paycheck by working on his game and improving. he could also just mail it in and be like baron davis after he gets his fat paychecks, but either way houston still makes a lot of money off his marketing potential. i think they can recoup that $25M contract back easily.

at the same time, what carmelo said does make him an ass. i think he's jealous of the attention lin got in new york and the threat that lin could potentially steal his spotlight and be the hero in new york. he doesn't say that because no one likes to admit that they are jealous, but we all know melo is not the humble guy he makes himself seem. why say something negative about your teammate? if he was a good teammate he should be happy for lin and encourage him, which he did but he also added that "ridiculous contract" part when he could have omitted it. it's even more ironic that he said that when many people feel that he doesn't deserve his "ridiculous" max contract, but i'm sure in his mind he feels deserves it because he averages 28ppg while everyone around him sucks (as if that's their fault).

the difference is that lin still has time and the potential to get better. carmelo can still become a better player if he wants to, but his window is quickly closing.

If it's a decision based on basketball alone, no way Knicks should match. Felton is a better player than Lin and he's proven to be successful playing with Amare. Also, I'm not sure you want a role player being the face of your franchise and possibly splitting the fanbase between himself and Melo/Amare. It was really disgusting last year when Melo had to walk on eggshells coming back from injury because it was somehow now "Lin's team" lol

Lin will regret chasing the money when he becomes a forgotten player on a bad team.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by tricky_ab

If it's a decision based on basketball alone, no way Knicks should match. Felton is a better player than Lin and he's proven to be successful playing with Amare. Also, I'm not sure you want a role player being the face of your franchise and possibly splitting the fanbase between himself and Melo/Amare. It was really disgusting last year when Melo had to walk on eggshells coming back from injury because it was somehow now "Lin's team" lol

Lin will regret chasing the money when he becomes a forgotten player on a bad team.

And that is where we differ on this. Melo had to walk on eggshells coming back from injury because it had been made apparent how much better the team was when committed to a pick-and-roll and/or moving the ball around – neither of which are a style of basketball that suits his desired usage rates.

Lin was SUPPOSED to go get his money, and like I said before Houston knows full well how to sell this particular situation, as they did it before with Yao. They will make their money back on their investment, win or lose, but do not neglect to notice that Houston is making the moves to try to get better for the coming season.
I would not be surprised to see them finish in a better position than the Knickerbockers do.

[FRpilot]

true on that. carmelo comes back and the knicks sucked again. if it weren't for linsanity and that 8 game winning streak bringing the team back to .500, the knicks probably wouldn't have made the playoffs last year.

houston is pretty much blowing up their team all for just a SHOT at getting dwight howard and even if they trade for him it's not guaranteed he will sign the extension. luis scola would have worked well with d12 and they got rid of lowry who was untouchable last year when the lakers try to pry him from houston. if houston walks away without dwight, it will be all for nothing like the mavericks fail this offseason.

[Phlip]

Knicks literally avoiding being served Rockets? Jeremy Lin offer sheet

That isn't smart business, it is a bitch move.

I am of the opinion that there are two sides of this story…
The Knicks – as emoted by Carmelo Anthony – feel as if Houston and Lin have done them a disservice with that contract and that he should have been jumping at the chance to return to New York without even having entertained other teams.
Then there is Jeremy Lin – as emoted by his silence – an undrafted free agent player waived twice finds himself newly valuable in the free agency market, even if it is just as much for his nationality as it is his ability. He is SUPPOSED to be operating with an “I ain’t going back to jail” mentality and milk that cow for every little bit he can right now.

[tricky_ab]

Winderman: Lin’s offer sheet not problem, Knicks entire payroll is

This is where many get the NBA luxury tax wrong: The third year on the offer sheet extended by the Rockets to Jeremy Lin will not cost the Knicks $43 million when factoring in the luxury tax, as some have extrapolated.

It will cost the Knicks the $15 million on the third year of that contract.

The excess payroll will cost the Knicks $43 million.

And that is a point executives familiar with such situations are quick to point out: Just because a player is the last, or latest, contract added to a team’s salary pool, it doesn’t make it the one that puts the team into — in this case, excessively into — the luxury tax.

It is the sum of the entire payroll.

In 2014-15, the season of excess in the Rockets’ offer sheet to Lin, Anthony and Stoudemire each will be earning $23 million, with Chandler earning $15 million.

That is why the tax is an issue.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...re-payroll-is/

[Gnnr]

Bullshit.

Here's the problem.

The Knicks TOLD Lin to go out and test the market instad of just outright making him a fair offer. What did they expect to happen after the NY media hyped him up? To come back with an offer sheet worth peanuts? FOH with that thinking.

Funny now Carmelo, the hypocrite he is, couldn't wait to throw Lin under the bus. He's obviously been waiting for the chance ever since he stole the spotlight. Not surprised. Whats "ridiculous" is paying Carmelo a max deal and him holding a team hostage to get his way.

[Teddy Bruckshot]

I don't think Lin is talented enough to deserve that contract, but he is marketable and that is what Houston is going for. When Yao Ming left so did all of their tv ratings in the US & and internationally! They want those ratings and that money back. In my opinion they don't care about building a good team right now. They just need a few players to fill the seats and they will be content with a shitty season as long as they get draft picks. I hope they don't get D12! I think Lin was smart to go with Houston. After being cut twice I would do the same thing.

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Funny now Carmelo, the hypocrite he is, couldn't wait to throw Lin under the bus. He's obviously been waiting for the chance ever since he stole the spotlight. Not surprised. Whats "ridiculous" is paying Carmelo a max deal and him holding a team hostage to get his way.

my thoughts exactly. melo jelly

Originally Posted by Teddy Bruckshot

I don't think Lin is talented enough to deserve that contract, but he is marketable and that is what Houston is going for. When Yao Ming left so did all of their tv ratings in the US & and internationally! They want those ratings and that money back.

i feel the same way.

rockets will make their money back and more whether lin does well or not. if lin improves or becomes great then that is just a bonus, but i don't think Lin is a slouch. I consider him a solid above average point guard maybe on jose calderon's level, but better than average guys like beno udrih, luke ridnour, or cj watson who are backup/pencil in at starter when your team has no other option at PG types.

i don't think the rockets organization are just content with filling seats with fans. they've been trying to acquire a good center for a while now, pau gasol and even mortgaging the farm for a chance at dwight.

[enkei2k]

https://twitter.com/HowardBeckNYT/st...20171240308736

Good bye NY Linsanity.

It's OK to over pay for Starbury, or Stevie Franchise for their mediocre play, but when a player comes along and actually does well for the team/market, we let him go FOR NOTHING in return. No draft picks/expiring contracts. At least David Lee, we got a S/T so that kinda worked out.

GG Knicks. You're as stupid as they come. Why were so worried about the tax and crap? It's not like it's the first time they were over the cap. Yes, stiffer penalties and such, but it's not something they can't afford.

Maybe I should become a BK Nets fan after all.

[Teddy Bruckshot]

I agree with you on a whole! The Knicks wasted so much money on starbury, Steve Francis , and Eddie curry.I absolutely loved the team NY had before carmello started crying and demanded to be traded to New York. When you have players that actually work hard and give everything they let them go (David Lee). I would actually trade carmello and get rid of his ridiculous contract that he doesn't deserve. I want to see what the Mavericks are going to do next year with this new squad. OJ mayo should make a nice edition to the roster they have.

[enkei2k]

Don't even get me started on Eddy Curry and Jerome James...

[Riq]

I want to know what hppened to the Knicks matching any deal up to a Billion bucks. Leave it to the Knicks to make the wrong move even when it is the right one. It was a backloaded contract that would have cost alot but lets say Lin wins, now the contract is worth it. Also consider the Knicks make over $120M per year in TV deals and add the Chinese market to this, they would more than enough to cover his contract. NY should have matched it. At the very least they would have avoided Jason Kidd getting drunk and trying suicide after getting the bad news.

The NY Knicks are the Miami Dolphins of basketball...

[atom]

LOL so Lin is where the Knicks draw the line? GG.

Now I'm wondering if that "we'll match anything" was just a bluff all along or what changed along the way.

[word sux]

why must I be a fan of the dumbest team in basketball


there is going to be sooo much hate raining down on the knicks from the ny area

[Phlip]

The funny thing is that they were apparently planning all weekend to not match the deal, in spite of the bitch move in not being served the papers...
I say that to say they had already pulled all Lin merch from the website on Saturday.

[tricky_ab]

Originally Posted by Phlip

The funny thing is that they were apparently planning all weekend to not match the deal, in spite of the bitch move in not being served the papers...
I say that to say they had already pulled all Lin merch from the website on Saturday.

The fact that the Knicks could have just avoided this whole dumb situation by making him a solid offer in the first place, instead of sending him out to fish for offers from other teams?

And then chasing after Steve Nash and Jason Kidd while he was doing so, and having the Felton trade lined up the minute that offer sheet was signed?

The meltdowns in the New York area must be epic right now...

[BarrigaS14]

I am waiting for melo to hate amare and then watch the team melt into a big pile of goo.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by BarrigaS14

I am waiting for melo to hate amare and then watch the team melt into a big pile of goo.

Didn't that already sort of happen? I expect for the next big fall out between those two to end in one of the asking out of the team. I don't believe their relationship is as close as some paint it.

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by enkei2k

Maybe I should become a BK Nets fan after all.

nice moves they made, but i'm not convinced deron can win it with that squad.

Originally Posted by Teddy Bruckshot

I want to see what the Mavericks are going to do next year with this new squad. OJ mayo should make a nice edition to the roster they have.

i like oj mayo. i hope he can improve on his rookie season and has good size for his position, athleticism, and quickness. he needed to get out of memphis since they wanted to train him to come off the bench.

i think mavs will do decent with oj mayo, dirk, and caveman. probably make the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Riq

I want to know what hppened to the Knicks matching any deal up to a Billion bucks.

oh well. whoever said that was wrong.

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Didn't that already sort of happen?

it did happen during the playoffs, but amare showed restraint and punched the fire extinguisher instead of who he really wanted to punch.

[word sux]

yup, seems like everyone is up in arms over this one



I wonder how big of a hit the MSG stocks will take tomorrow as a result of this


and how is it that msg owns both the knicks and the rangers and still have the knicks management blow so hard. the rangers are a very well managed and put together team from the ground up and the knicks management seems to enjoy nothing more then pissing off their entire fan base as much and as often as possible.

[BOROSUN]

Lol


Too busy to reply to the dumb comments on here.

[Phlip]

Ahh, the beauty of spurned Knicks fans…
Not one stopping to entertain the culpability of the organization in this. The assumption that he would just take whatever they offered him was foolhardy to say the least. Inviting him to test the market as if no one else would take him was arrogant. And now, after bringing in TWO Point Guards and then acting as if HE was in the wrong is plain stupid. Again, the Knickerbockers organization and a representative most of their fans (save for the few willing to be critical of this idiocy) has proven Zilvia’s opinion of the team on the whole dead right as usual.

[ravinaziankid]

It's funny how they think it was lin's fault when the knicks organization told him to go out there and look for a contract so they can match it instead of just giving him an offer straight up.

Also, I think it's for the best, especially since there is probably jealousy/tension between lin and melo/jr that would affect lin's ability to play like he did during linsanity.

The only thing that sucks is that I won't be able to watch him play during the regular season and not sure if houston will make it to the playoffs either.

[Phlip]

I was looking at the moves Houston has made… It appears they were trying to position themselves favorably in the Dwight Howard sweeps (and they did), but he does not intend to stay there if he lands there, so it was for naught.
As it were, now they are a team of “okay” pieces with no All-Star talent. Where with teams like Denver, who I have seen described as “too deep,” Houston’s problem is that they are composed of pieces that were made to be moved in favor of actual “good” players. It is for that reason that I will walk back my prior statement that they have a sporting chance at the playoffs, unless they score one All-Star caliber player before season’s start.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by Phlip

I was looking at the moves Houston has made… It appears they were trying to position themselves favorably in the Dwight Howard sweeps (and they did), but he does not intend to stay there if he lands there, so it was for naught.
As it were, now they are a team of “okay” pieces with no All-Star talent. Where with teams like Denver, who I have seen described as “too deep,” Houston’s problem is that they are composed of pieces that were made to be moved in favor of actual “good” players. It is for that reason that I will walk back my prior statement that they have a sporting chance at the playoffs, unless they score one All-Star caliber player before season’s start.

From what I understand they did not care if they had Dwight for just 1 year (so they claimed). Also, they have positioned themselves with cap room and picks and such to be able to rebuild comfortably.

[BOROSUN]

Lol you're the the worst, bro. reading your comment/insight is like readIng bleachers report. Garbage.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

From what I understand they did not care if they had Dwight for just 1 year (so they claimed). Also, they have positioned themselves with cap room and picks and such to be able to rebuild comfortably.

Yeah, Houston will be okay eventually, with or without Howard.
I seriously don’t think McHale will last long in charge there though.

[theronin]

Gg ignorant racist Knicks fans.