Drift entrance techniques/form

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

Whatever Brian.
Dont know what your constant attitude is about.


Not true at all.
I am at full lock quite a bit.
Its usually how i know its time to transition, lift off the gas or put the clutch in before i spin out.
I rarely hit full lock at initiation, but always hit it as i go through the course.( KA doesnt really have enough HP to hit full lock on inititation and to hold proper line on the rest of the course. You will scrub to much speed)
I actually was talked out of getting the knuckles before my coils by Jeff Abott about 2 years ago because i was at lock so much i was looking for a way around it.

Knuckles would help with being able to get a little more angle without binding up.
so things like trying to hold onto a drift a little longer before transition would be made easier.
it would also work as a great safety net in case you got to steep of an angle, you would have a little more left to catch yourself with.
They are also great for chasing in tandem, you can adjust your angle to get under the lead car AND stay on throttle.

Every time I am barely tapping a wall, i end up at full lock.
It was just saying that its hard to drag yourself out of full lock with a KA.
You end up having to manji a lot further out in the opposite direction to get your sped back up.

so trying to hold long drifts at full lock on knuckles with low HP will be extremely difficult.
But if you are going to be at full knuckle lock for a couple seconds here and there, then they should actually be realy nice.

I get full lock under initiation....it does scrub speed, but that is why you see me initiate late. And I'm usually one and a quarter rotation while drifting, when I get the full one and half, its usually to set up switching the car back. Your right on that one.

I've never really been big on the "full lock" since I don't have power, but then again, I'm trying to spin 18's. But you are driving 17s on your single cam....have you driven balcony since then? I know its a little harder to keep great angle since we have to keep our speed up. But I know I couldn't hold complete full lock, car isn't going fast enough/not enough power to push the car.

Even Chow's car, with around 300whp in his fc, you can see when he gets full lock, the car slows down to almost a deathly slow speed...

I think full lock is made for gangster initiations like pawlak, even essa has some full lock gangster lines...

(both of these people mentioned above I do not know them, they are fictional charecters, they are just used for fanboy reference)

[ericcastro]

You can easily grab full lock around the last 3rd of the ring an balcony.

i usually try and come in decently shallow to try and keep up on inititation.

I think Chow could make some adjustments, take his tire pressure down and actually go faster, lol.(of course the last thing we need is for him to be going faster, lol)

I was playing with full lock initiation for awhile, but it just got old.
I wanted a true 90 degree angle, and its just not gonna happen till knuckles.

Plus, you have to transfer back pretty quikly after inititaion, unless you do that lame super manji thing where you hold your inititation drift to long.


I think balcony just doesnt have the best speed and distance for full lock drifting.

When Inland Drift was open, i was doing a lot of full lock.
The line i would take stated with a 270 degree sweeper into the figure 8 deal, manji past a cone and big 200 plus degree sweeper out.
So i could get to lock and hold it with throttle till i needed to straighten the wheel and gain some speed.



We need engine upgrades, lol.

[Brian]

You're the king. How much angle do you get on the first clipping point?

[ericcastro]

I can get to full lock if i want, but with the KA you loose a lot of speed.

So if i am running tandem, I usually take a shallow angle and try and tuck up under their inside fender for the ring part.
That usually will put me in a better position to be able to keep up around the ring.
Then I try and stay further inside at the end so i have room to transition right before they do.
That way I can be pushing up onto their other fender before they can get fully on the gas.
usually leaves me in a close position for everything but the inititaion and first clip.

But with my KA, people are usually 5 car lengths ahead at that point anyways, lol.

[DJPimpFlex]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

But with my KA, people are usually 5 car lengths ahead at that point anyways, lol.

Sounds like someone needs a swap :P

[jspec240]

lol your really lookin to keep this thread goin...

[DJPimpFlex]

Originally Posted by jspec240

lol your really lookin to keep this thread goin...

Lol I like it, keeps me motivated. I need to get back out there asap.

[Kwonza Says]

Keep it going!! Love reading this thread esp Eric Castro and his KA drift. I just came back from Balcony and it's hard to keep power up. Have to beat the clutch like a Mofo!! Still isnt fast enuff -__-

[SHINCHU]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

Get Forza 3. Learn how to drift differently in the game, it'll help you for real life.

this.

it sounds dumb but it works (to a point).
while i was in japan, i went to Ebisu drift matsuri in 2006 and SUCKED. horribly. call it not used to rhd yet. call it shitty tire selection (225 front 255 rear sticky ass potenzas), call it ham-fisted n0ob. i flat out SUCKED.

forza 2 came out. praticed on there like a mofo with a detailed replica of my real s14.

Ebisu drift matsuri 2007. rocked its face off. well, by comparison.
(search youtube for "shinchu ebisu")
unfortunately i blew 2nd gear right when i was going to try minami (the D1 course) so i was just doing school course the whole time.

i initiate with a combo of ebrake and clutch kick i guess. i do a slight/quick feint, grab some ebrake and when i let the clutch back out i am already on the gas during the ebrake to build up a good amount of revs. wham-o, sideways and already making smoke. not a very long slide into the corner but depending on how tight the corner is, i am almost at full lock by the clipping point. (mostly thinking about "wall corner" at school course)
and if i am coming in too shallow and i am going too far outward (towards the wall) i stab the fuck outta the clutch (rev like hell) and give it more angle.
granted, i had the power to do pretty much whatever (about 400hp) but this is what worked best for me.

now i have a bone stock KA in my US spec s14, so i will see whats up when i finally get back out to some events after the last 2 or 3 years of nothing but forza lol and eric castro is giving me hope with the stock KA spinning the 18's! my exact setup right now! (coilovers, arms, 1.5way going in soon)

hopefully going to adams soon, maybe balcony if things work out...

cool thread. keep it alive!

[jspec240]

^^ nice input.. only started drifting when I went to Japan for the USAF in 2001 and never drove stick till I got my first car over there.. lol my buddy robbie noshida who worked in the base auto shop had to drive me back to the base cause I couldnt drive it .. lol it was a 91 r32 gtst. that was my first car that introduced me into the drift scene. and have been in love with the sport ever since, so pretty much I was a noob noob when I started lol but started RHD which was aquard when I came back.. Id like to get back in to one to see how I do.

[MrChow]

Originally Posted by Kwonza Says

Keep it going!! Love reading this thread esp Eric Castro and his KA drift. I just came back from Balcony and it's hard to keep power up. Have to beat the clutch like a Mofo!! Still isnt fast enuff -__-

The more your kick in a drift the more speed you lose in a KA IMO. Just line better, keep has more speed has u can and more throttle.

[SHINCHU]

Originally Posted by jspec240

^^ nice input.. only started drifting when I went to Japan for the USAF in 2001 and never drove stick till I got my first car over there.. lol my buddy robbie noshida who worked in the base auto shop had to drive me back to the base cause I couldnt drive it .. lol it was a 91 r32 gtst. that was my first car that introduced me into the drift scene. and have been in love with the sport ever since, so pretty much I was a noob noob when I started lol but started RHD which was aquard when I came back.. Id like to get back in to one to see how I do.

awesome.
yeah in yokosuka navy base you have to apply for a manual license (lame).
so mistermephistopheles here offered his red 180 for me to take the test.
other than putting it in 5th instead of 1st, i did fine.

and fckillerbee, dont mind brian. he's out of his element.

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by MrChow

The more your kick in a drift the more speed you lose in a KA IMO. Just line better, keep has more speed has u can and more throttle.

Well, yes and no imo.

If you need to kick the clutch to keep angle and hold drift, then you got to.
Or you loose your drift altogether.

Its not like any of us Low HP guys are just kicking the shit out of our clutch for fun.
We do it cause we are about to grip up the rears.

And After you clutch kick, your wheels spin faster again, so you may loose the smallest bit of speed from scrubbing for that .5 second clutch kick.
But the speed is gained back and then some as the wheel spin/speed increases after the clutch kick, as well as maintaining higher RPM's and a longer drift.

If you think clutch kicking slows you down, try this experiment.
Next time you are in a 4o mph drift or so and coming up on a wall.
And you think, i could use some more angle here and probably slow down a touch.....
instead of ebraking, CLUTCH kick, and get back to us on how much it slowed you down, lol

see you in the WTB thread, lol.



Or you could just ask Kelvin how much a clutch kick slowed him down at RedBull LB last year.

[dkwasherexd]

i had to clutch kick like 20 times on balcony with my slow single cam haha

[MrChow]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

Well, yes and no imo.

If you need to kick the clutch to keep angle and hold drift, then you got to.
Or you loose your drift altogether.

Its not like any of us Low HP guys are just kicking the shit out of our clutch for fun.
We do it cause we are about to grip up the rears.

And After you clutch kick, your wheels spin faster again, so you may loose the smallest bit of speed from scrubbing for that .5 second clutch kick.
But the speed is gained back and then some as the wheel spin/speed increases after the clutch kick, as well as maintaining higher RPM's and a longer drift.

If you think clutch kicking slows you down, try this experiment.
Next time you are in a 4o mph drift or so and coming up on a wall.
And you think, i could use some more angle here and probably slow down a touch.....
instead of ebraking, CLUTCH kick, and get back to us on how much it slowed you down, lol

see you in the WTB thread, lol.



Or you could just ask Kelvin how much a clutch kick slowed him down at RedBull LB last year.

I understand that very much. I normal kick when I need to keep my wheel speed up.
I'm still learning a few these here and there about holding long drifts. Aka drifting a straight away.
Like slow long sweeping turns I brake near the clipping point to get the car to rotate/angle more then dump the clutch to get the wheel spin again.

I haven't played around with clutch kicking a lot since I've been able to hold most drifts with higher speed or a good line. Also my memory of clutch kicking is when I was on stock suspension so when I did it then did mess weight transfers that weren't need.

I'll have "experiment" with kick now. Lol hopefully not. I should be already posting in the WTB threads.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by SHINCHU

this.

it sounds dumb but it works (to a point).
while i was in japan, i went to Ebisu drift matsuri in 2006 and SUCKED. horribly. call it not used to rhd yet. call it shitty tire selection (225 front 255 rear sticky ass potenzas), call it ham-fisted n0ob. i flat out SUCKED.

forza 2 came out. praticed on there like a mofo with a detailed replica of my real s14.

Ebisu drift matsuri 2007. rocked its face off. well, by comparison.
(search youtube for "shinchu ebisu")
unfortunately i blew 2nd gear right when i was going to try minami (the D1 course) so i was just doing school course the whole time.

i initiate with a combo of ebrake and clutch kick i guess. i do a slight/quick feint, grab some ebrake and when i let the clutch back out i am already on the gas during the ebrake to build up a good amount of revs. wham-o, sideways and already making smoke. not a very long slide into the corner but depending on how tight the corner is, i am almost at full lock by the clipping point. (mostly thinking about "wall corner" at school course)
and if i am coming in too shallow and i am going too far outward (towards the wall) i stab the fuck outta the clutch (rev like hell) and give it more angle.
granted, i had the power to do pretty much whatever (about 400hp) but this is what worked best for me.

now i have a bone stock KA in my US spec s14, so i will see whats up when i finally get back out to some events after the last 2 or 3 years of nothing but forza lol and eric castro is giving me hope with the stock KA spinning the 18's! my exact setup right now! (coilovers, arms, 1.5way going in soon)

hopefully going to adams soon, maybe balcony if things work out...

cool thread. keep it alive!

everyone....please understand, I use forza to test out different lines...its a really cooperative simultaion in that aspect.

Originally Posted by MrChow

The more your kick in a drift the more speed you lose in a KA IMO. Just line better, keep has more speed has u can and more throttle.

I clutch kick to get the car sideways on initiation, I also clutchkick when someone brake checks me, as well trying to keep wheel speed up when i'm drifting tight corners (not enough forward grip/power)

Originally Posted by SHINCHU

awesome.
yeah in yokosuka navy base you have to apply for a manual license (lame).
so mistermephistopheles here offered his red 180 for me to take the test.
other than putting it in 5th instead of 1st, i did fine.

and fckillerbee, dont mind brian. he's out of his element.

brian who??? lol....I think brian trys to give castro shit....because they both have the most post counts. lol.

hey bh....will you be my friend?

[iamtheyi]

lol i love this thread. Helps me think through concepts before I go for my first track day.

[SUPERSTAR]

Top Ramen is not bad at all.

Drift bro, Drift.

[Brian]

I'm your friend.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by Brian

I'm your friend.

woooohooooo!

[Brian]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

woooohooooo!

!

[fckillerbee]

that was too fast....lol

[Brian]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

that was too fast....lol

That's what she said.

[SUPERSTAR]

He not She .

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by Brian

That's what she said.

Originally Posted by DTC SUPERSTAR

He not She .

never heard her say that...

and ernie...thats what your tire installer said

[SUPERSTAR]

I miss you Hammy.

BH is a hoodratt.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by DTC SUPERSTAR

I miss you Hammy.

BH is a hoodratt.

the gayness is starting to take over the thread.....































......waiting on some kittens now....unfortunately.

[Brian]

s e x

[SUPERSTAR]

Corn flakes.

[!Zar!]