General politics discussion. Keep it civil.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I absolutely condemn Joe Biden for his part in dividing the country and plunging certain areas into poverty and crime.

The expanded civil asset forfeiture that small police departments across the country love was part of the Comprehensive Control Act that he co-ran with Strom Thurmond in '84.

The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 increased racial disparities in incarceration.

The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988 increased prison sentences for drug possession and increased penalties for transportation of drugs.

In '89, Biden criticized HW Bush's war on drugs because it didn't do enough.

Didn't vote for him, never would have voted for him, would rather deal with 5-day-old ball stubble for the rest of my life than vote for a bastard like him.

[Om1kron]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

I absolutely condemn Joe Biden for his part in dividing the country and plunging certain areas into poverty and crime.

I CONDEMN THEE!!!

lmao god they brought this website back up for you to yell in an echo chamber for maga christian nationalists that nobody cares about.

be a real man post this shit on your linked in or something instead of hiding on this car site posting your drivel. I hate coming here to look at new posts to see you bumped this thread yet again to argue with someone who will engage you.

[nick_d_240sx]

Originally Posted by Om1kron

I CONDEMN THEE!!!

lmao god they brought this website back up for you to yell in an echo chamber for maga christian nationalists that nobody cares about.

be a real man post this shit on your linked in or something instead of hiding on this car site posting your drivel. I hate coming here to look at new posts to see you bumped this thread yet again to argue with someone who will engage you.

You came to this website, clicked on a post, typed out that nonsense and clicked submit reply. Go outside dude. Take a break from the computer/cellphone.

Biden is shit. Democrats are shit. Their green energy policies will not do anything for global warming except make energy more scarce and expensive. It will reduce our economic output and make us less competitive in the global economy. All this climate change nonsense will continue to squeeze the poor and middle class while the wealthy will drive suburbans, electric cars and fly around in private jets/first class.

Basically anyone who continues to vote for democrats is fucking the poor and middle class. If you can't see that yet just wait another 10-20 years and you'll see that renewable energy is shit. Natural Gas, Hydrogen and Nuclear are the way to clean, reliable energy.

And if you can, invest in oil/energy/batteries/supporting industries.

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by nick_d_240sx

Basically anyone who continues to vote for democrats is fucking the poor and middle class. If you can't see that yet just wait another 10-20 years and you'll see that renewable energy is shit. Natural Gas, Hydrogen and Nuclear are the way to clean, reliable energy.

And if you can, invest in oil/energy/batteries/supporting industries.

Hydrogen is considered renewable energy

Also, Nuclear is not clean energy. While nuclear reactors do not emit carbon dioxide at the point of power generation, the nuclear fuel chain is responsible for carbon emissions during mining, milling, enriching, construction, transportation, and decommissioning.

There seems to be alot of misinformation/contradiction just in those two lines of your post

[nick_d_240sx]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Hydrogen is considered renewable energy

Not according to most sources. Wind, Solar, Hydro, Wave/Tidal, Geothermal, and Biomass are typically considered 'renewable'.
UN EIA EPA

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Also, Nuclear is not clean energy. While nuclear reactors do not emit carbon dioxide at the point of power generation, the nuclear fuel chain is responsible for carbon emissions during mining, milling, enriching, construction, transportation, and decommissioning.

Nuclear is clean energy. The process of generating electricity from nuclear fission produces zero C02.

According to the Nuclear energy association:

Nuclear power plants produce no greenhouse gas emissions during operation, and over the course of its life-cycle, nuclear produces about the same amount of carbon dioxide-equivalent emissions per unit of electricity as wind, and one-third of the emissions per unit of electricity when compared with solar.

It should be added that Nuclear generation is stable and continuous unlike solar/wind.

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

There seems to be alot of misinformation/contradiction just in those two lines of your post

You probably should do more research on the subject before labeling it 'misinformation' or a 'contradiction'.

But democrats and the greens keep pushing for expensive and unreliable solar/wind generation that will serve to increase electricity prices across the US. This will negatively effect our economy which will have a greater impact on the poor and middle class.
But hey, think about all the climate that was fixed!

We should ramp up burning fossil fuels for cheap electricity and expedite building nuclear/hydrogen/natural gas power plants while sprinkling in a little wind/solar/battery storage. The countries around the world (incl. USA) aren't going 'fix' the global climate. It's facetious to think we will.

Wind blades being buried in Wyoming

Used solar panel waste

[deolio]

Rawrrr everyone who hates Trump and and calls me out must be a libitard Biden supporter grrrr the world is black and white wahhhhh I hate anyone who doesn’t pick themselves up by their bootstraps boooooo

What a joke.

[Phlip]

It's fun seeing Alex Jones getting buttfucked by his own lawyers and being informed of it in the middle of a lie.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Anyone who votes D or R is fucking the poor and middle class. Period, full-stop. Our system was fundamentally flawed and is now broken. We have to get rid of first-past-the-post bullshit.

Biden helped to deepen the break, but not because he's a Democrat- because he has conservative values. He believes in old ideas, ideas that have been proven to be, in a nutshell, fucking stupid. Progress is important.

Nuclear is clean energy. After the mining and transport, it has little CO2 impact. If you want to talk about intake and discharge and its effects on surrounding wildlife, we could have that conversation instead. I think the real question with nuclear is whether or not any investment is worthwhile due to the enormous costs and potential NIMBY bullshit down the road reducing any NPP's effective service life.

Every renewable energy source has dirty origins. The key is the lifetime CO2 emissions and external impacts.

Solar panels are outpacing estimates on efficiency every year. They're making serious forward progress, but they're also hideously ugly. More effort should be done to incorporate them in already-developed areas rather than, for example, the Anza-Borrego desert or the Mojave off the 15; scarring wild areas with ugly installations is not the answer to the US' energy needs.

[RalliartRsX]

You can't just ignore mining and transport and then claim clean energy

Thats like me ignoring my 200hp dyno graph and claiming 800hp....

Net zero CO2 or CO emissions has to take into consideration the generation of both those items in the manufacturing of said product

If we can figure that portion out then yes, we can consider it clean energy. Until then, no

Also, the fuel rods have a shelf life of 5 to 6 years snd eventually have to be disposed off....and we still haven't figured out a way to properly dispose them apart from storing them in fuel pools or burying them underground. None of those are proper long terms methods as buried fuel rods can be radiative for 100+ years after being used up.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I'm not ignoring it. Every single renewable method of power generation requires mining and transport of raw materials, manufacture of those materials into usable parts, then assembly and transport of those parts into finished product ready for installation.

Keep in mind that someone could make a fossil fuel energy plant net zero by simply buying carbon offsets. That's kinda part of the whole reason why it's almost meaningless and why I specifically didn't mention it in my response.

Additionally, shelf life doesn't mean service life and you're confusing the two. Fuel rods have a service life of 5 or 6 years and have to be disposed of. Have you seen the amount of nuclear waste compared to the waste even from other renewables by this point?

[Phlip]

Anyone wanna talk about the FBI inviting themselves over to Mar-A-Lago for a little tour Monday morning and hanging out all day?

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Anyone wanna talk about the FBI inviting themselves over to Mar-A-Lago for a little tour Monday morning and hanging out all day?

I heard they even toured the safe, which is good. It's a very fine, very expensive, nice safe, with a door and some knobs. The best safe, some say, although not the best if you're the victim of a vicious, villainous verification of vaunted vulnerability.

I wonder if they dined in the dining room, teahouse, or patio- oh, maybe they had a themed dinner!

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

I heard they even toured the safe, which is good. It's a very fine, very expensive, nice safe, with a door and some knobs. The best safe, some say, although not the best if you're the victim of a vicious, villainous verification of vaunted vulnerability.

I wonder if they dined in the dining room, teahouse, or patio- oh, maybe they had a themed dinner!

Quick, which president signed off on upping the penalty for unlawful record removal from one year to five? His own justice dept wouldn't take up the chance to go after some woman over some emails behid that.
One could say this man commits the best felonies.

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Quick, which president signed off on upping the penalty for unlawful record removal from one year to five? His own justice dept wouldn't take up the chance to go after some woman over some emails behid that.
One could say this man commits the best felonies.

45 has entered the "find out" phase

[Future240]

Make something a felony.
Do said thing myself
Plead the 5th

Who am I?

[Phlip]

Anyone ready to talk about it yet?

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Anyone ready to talk about it yet?

I'm not really sure what it is but I'm not going to lie- I hate this shit now.

Two uncomprehending masses of imbeciles pushing the country to the precipice and each pointing at each other and saying, "no, u."

Yeah, one group's worse for the country than the other but neither is genuinely interested in the betterment of the country for those who most need it. Everyone just wants to get theirs.

Sometimes, I don't recognize the people around me. They genuinely see me as a problem, as their enemy. I see flashes of hatred in their eyes and I get to see their work quality decline after a major GOP announcement.

Water and food are going to be big deals in the future and it feels like no one cares. Gavin Newsom hasn't done anything to help California with regard to agriculture's impact on water, and there are six other states and Mexico that are going to suffer until California actually reduces its drain on the Colorado River. The Central Valley and Delta areas are still going to suffer subsidence and saltwater infiltration if flows aren't changed and groundwater isn't protected.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Water and food are going to be big deals in the future and it feels like no one cares. Gavin Newsom hasn't done anything to help California with regard to agriculture's impact on water, and there are six other states and Mexico that are going to suffer until California actually reduces its drain on the Colorado River. The Central Valley and Delta areas are still going to suffer subsidence and saltwater infiltration if flows aren't changed and groundwater isn't protected.

On the water front, I wonder why desalination is not a heavily pushed thing yet. It's not new. It works. Is it costs? Political/propaganda driven reasons??

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

On the water front, I wonder why desalination is not a heavily pushed thing yet. It's not new. It works. Is it costs? Political/propaganda driven reasons??

I'm of the opinion that desalination is kind of a Rube Goldberg solution. Sure, it is a thing, but at what energy cost? Will the process and utter ACTIVITY behind desalination do anything to assist with the challenges of the thirst of the second largest city in the nation being in the goddamn desert? We obviously can't UN-plan LA but is desalination really worth it in the end?

[deolio]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

On the water front, I wonder why desalination is not a heavily pushed thing yet. It's not new. It works. Is it costs? Political/propaganda driven reasons??

It requires a lot of resources and ENERGY, which is in limited supply thanks to a combination of anti-nuclear, pro-electric car propaganda, and lack of water (for hydroelectric), just like the age-old saying, "you need water to make water." ��

The simplest (partial) solution would be to further incentivize solar panel installations, drought-resistant landscaping, and pull water rights from bottled water companies, but there's no money in it for the politicians �� aww, sad.

This 2035 death date of ICE is idiotic. The amount of infrastructure bolstering required to support that much energy demand is mind-boggling. The state hasn't even finished updating the 1 mile stretch of business 80 through downtown Sacramento in 13 years, how the fuck do they think they're gonna fortify the grid and generate enough power to meet the needs of 10 million (let's say 1/4 the population switch over) EV drivers in that amount of time?! Only chance they have is driving enough of the population out of the state by making over-reaching policies that the current infrastructure with a couple new bells and whistles is enough.

I love California, but this EV shit plus the invasive smog testing bullshit is really pushing it towards a virtue signaling faux-environmentalist capitalist hellscape.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Desal also has two problems with the byproduct: heat and brine. The entire West Coast is having issues with rising intertidal ocean temperatures and the resulting lower dissolved oxygen levels causing fish die-offs and bacteria/algae blooms, which further lowers the dissolved oxygen levels. If you add heat, you obviously increase temperatures, and if you increase salinity, you also lower dissolved oxygen levels.

Phlip, if you're talking about LA being in the desert, LA's not. LA's Mediterranean and hasn't even hit the semi-arid classification yet. It'd be in a lot better shape if there was a push for marshland at the base of the hills north of LA but they're wealthy enclaves and the thought of increasing surface permeation where there could be a boutique vajazzling store has the city councils in a tizzy.

Nestle "only" uses about 3,069 acre-feet of water per year in all its CA operations from water bottling through any food product production; the Imperial Irrigation District allocates 3.5 million acre-feet of Colorado River water through the Imperial Valley and if you drive through Westmorland/Rockwood/Calipatria/Niland, you'll see that water goes toward a ridiculous amount of alfalfa and leaves the earth white with dissolved salts that eventually join with fertilizers in the New River and feed the Salton Sea with more effluents.

To put that into perspective, Palm Springs uses the most water out of any SoCal city in terms of daily per capita usage, and uses 14,852 acre-feet per year. I use about 0.11 acre-feet per year on my property.

Beef and dairy production account for the lion's share of water usage, again due to alfalfa. Alfalfa itself is fairly drought-resistant, can go without water without large-scale die-off, and is nitrogen-fixing, but none of those things can overcome the sheer amount of it being grown in areas it was never meant to grow.

[Phlip]

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...-lago-00057805

That surely isn't going the way it was intended

[OaxKouki]

Deolio you are almost there with your solution, but as KA mentioned, it really is California agriculture that is consuming the majority of the water in the West. If you took all the water away from all of the cities in the west and left agriculture alone, you would still be losing water on the Colorado river/reservoirs. Unfortunately it doesn't look like California is going to take any steps quick enough to stop a major catastrophe on the river, which needs to happen. And as KA alluded to, its all a political game of finger pointing.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Not just CA ag... but CA ag does get preferential treatment and it's unfair to the other six states plus Mexico.

AZ still has a fucking cotton industry. Fucksake, cotton in the desert?

Literally every state in the upper and lower basins has ag that they don't need. This is something that the United States gov't should have realized and should have offered subsidies/tax breaks for companies willing to try to grow in the South where water is still plentiful. The market cannot correct these issues, the issues need government intervention because it's rapidly coming to a head.

This is a national problem, not a Colorado River Basin problem. We feed the country in the winter- if the Southwest cuts back on production, food prices go up across the board in the middle of an inflationary period. There needs to be some direction and I'm just not seeing it.

What are the costs that need to be passed on to farmers if the courts decide water rights are absolutely set in stone? If we can't force farmers to change their water usage, how do we make it painful in other ways? Is there a reason why farmers aren't paying a watershed pollution fee? A soil subsidence fee based on number and depth of wells as well as average yearly subsidence in that county? A saltwater infiltration fee for farmers causing delta issues? A permit and fine system for farmers who burn their waste and create air quality problems?

Water is becoming an issue around the world. That the United States is this far behind is stupid.

[Phlip]

The claims of fraud and "stolen elections" on the rotting carcass of Twitter have been fun to see.

[deolio]

Not surprising at at all, but the big orange clown announcing he's going to run in 2024 is hilarious. It'll be interesting to see just how desperate the Republican party is.

[brndck]

Originally Posted by deolio

Not surprising at at all, but the big orange clown announcing he's going to run in 2024 is hilarious. It'll be interesting to see just how desperate the Republican party is.

hopefully it splits the party and they crumble even more.

ALSO,

hoping that biden does not run for a second term. We need someone competent and progressive for a change.

[cgtdream]

Originally Posted by brndck

hopefully it splits the party and they crumble even more.

ALSO,

hoping that biden does not run for a second term. We need someone competent and progressive for a change.

Perfect chance for the dems to put Yang on the ticket. He is young, energized, and relatable in regards to issues that both sides of the fence can agree on.

If Biden runs again, ill vote for him, but extremely begrudgingly.

[brndck]

Originally Posted by cgtdream

Perfect chance for the dems to put Yang on the ticket. He is young, energized, and relatable in regards to issues that both sides of the fence can agree on.

If Biden runs again, ill vote for him, but extremely begrudgingly.

yang has no actual policy, as was demonstrated when he got his ass handed to him in NY. Hes not progressive by a longshot.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uverify%20wall

[Om1kron]

Originally Posted by cgtdream

Perfect chance for the dems to put Yang on the ticket. He is young, energized, and relatable in regards to issues that both sides of the fence can agree on.

If Biden runs again, ill vote for him, but extremely begrudgingly.

You must've been in a bunker for the last 3 years if you're talking about Andrew Yang unless he's running Republican. The guy who said Israel is right in doing what they're doing to Palestenians.

Bum couldn't even get elected in NY. He has been saying some of the most out of pocket shit, and then the whole thing about starting a new party with a couple of republicans.

how did that work out?