Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals

[DALAZ_68]

***mexican hat dance music***

fuck you arizona...HA!...lol


Castro : its nothing new bro, doesnt matter if its demo or building, some union workers are still illegal even here in CA...all they need is a fake SSC #...will they be able to collect said SS money, no, but they can def make the money while there working and be under protection of the union and the company they work for...how? easy, the system is run by people, greedy people, who know some one that know someone that is illegal and needs a fucken job...so it happens

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

If you removed illegals from the farming industry it would continue as normal and people would work just as before. Prices likely will fluctuate but as long as there are jobs people will work them. As I said before there is no wage control so American's will be making the same as the Honduran's and El Salvadorian's are making now.

lol...that statement made my sides hurt...lol

[kingkilburn]

It's not like all of a sudden the cost of labor went up. If some American's broke ass wants a job and grape vineyard down the road is looking for pickers his ass is going to pick, and at what ever the farmer is willing to pay.


You guys seem to think that illegal farm labor is this set in stone thing. It has only existed since around WW1-2 when all the young able bodied men left for war. There are plenty of Americans willing to work.


It is the same bs with the factories. "American's just aren't going to want to work in a factory." As if manufacturing wasn't the backbone of the country for 150 years.


If there is a job some one will work it.



lou's40sx

You are just plain wrong and could not have read the thread. Go read the Constitution.

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by Walperstyle

Canada doesn't want you guys. Thanks.

You should be so lucky, Canuck.

[I LUV MY S13]

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

I think it's funny how thing in one state can be legal but in another it's not. We're all part of the same country yet we're divided in so many ways.

its called federalism and it makes sense..i dont want the to be governed the same way someone 3,000 miles away is..

[DALAZ_68]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

It's not like all of a sudden the cost of labor went up. If some American's broke ass wants a job and grape vineyard down the road is looking for pickers his ass is going to pick, and at what ever the farmer is willing to pay.

Fucking lies...not even going as far as to say a picker...but shit i hear it every fucking day how many people dont want to work said types of jobs because its "not worth it", my thoughts towards them is bitch its money in the pocket and food on the table, how is it not worth it...there response to that is "im not down for that"...tell most immigrants that theres work and no prerequisites of paper work, just money and work, theyll do that shit...with a fucken smile and blessing there god every fucken day...

but Lazyness is fucken universal, not just immigrants, you would be straight out blind to say it isnt so (not sayin you are b4 you go off on some tanjent(sp))

like how one of my X supervisor turned down a job because they were paying him 50k less than his old job...WTF!? so fucken what...a job is a job but ur being a nit picky bitch in a field thats draining daily!...

You guys seem to think that illegal farm labor is this set in stone thing. It has only existed since around WW1-2 when all the young able bodied men left for war. There are plenty of Americans willing to work.

yeah, most of those americans willign to work were previous immigrants who just got there papers to be legal...its rare to see an "american" doing a low paying "american job" does it happen? yes is it rare as fuck?yes...

It is the same bs with the factories. "American's just aren't going to want to work in a factory." As if manufacturing wasn't the backbone of the country for 150 years.


If there is a job some one will work it.

factories are different, they want to supply a product (whether of hi or low quality) with minimal cost to them...

whats easier, move to a third world country, pay less than minimum, put out a quality product, and not just save of materials but on labor, while gaining profit,

or deal with unions, OSHA, workers requesting benefits, labor cost, union cost, people who care about safety precautions etc etc...

it comes down to the all mighty dollar...i can bet that good company, that moved there factories to a different country, has already made up the cost for the move within 5 yrs...

[CleanAndLegit]

i just wanna say a few things
im not familiar with any of the bills or blah blah blah
im 18 yrs old im of mexican decent
i have a job working for my fathers company.

let me ask you all who say immigrants should be kicked out or whatever
where did your family originate from?
who founded this country?
were the parents of your parents and of there parents etc legal?

would you work in the sun for 8+ hrs picking fruits veggies etc for 5 bucks an hr?

who do you see laying on the side of the freeway exits with signs asking for money?

who do you see STANDING on the side of the freeway exits with flowers veggies fruits etc TRYING to make money TRYING to survive?

lmk. thanks

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

Fucking lies...not even going as far as to say a picker...but shit i hear it every fucking day how many people dont want to work said types of jobs because its "not worth it", my thoughts towards them is bitch its money in the pocket and food on the table, how is it not worth it...there response to that is "im not down for that"...tell most immigrants that theres work and no prerequisites of paper work, just money and work, theyll do that shit...with a fucken smile and blessing there god every fucken day...

but Lazyness is fucken universal, not just immigrants, you would be straight out blind to say it isnt so (not sayin you are b4 you go off on some tanjent(sp))

like how one of my X supervisor turned down a job because they were paying him 50k less than his old job...WTF!? so fucken what...a job is a job but ur being a nit picky bitch in a field thats draining daily!...

People will work the best job they think they can get. If Mr. X thought he was worth that 50k then it is up to him to turn down the offer.

All these jackasses lazying about on welfare and bs disability claimed can go pick grapes for 2 bucks an hour. That is the value of their skills and it's no one's fault but their own.

Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

yeah, most of those americans willign to work were previous immigrants who just got there papers to be legal...its rare to see an "american" doing a low paying "american job" does it happen? yes is it rare as fuck?yes...

First I don't get your point there ans second I disagree.

Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

factories are different, they want to supply a product (whether of hi or low quality) with minimal cost to them...

whats easier, move to a third world country, pay less than minimum, put out a quality product, and not just save of materials but on labor, while gaining profit,

or deal with unions, OSHA, workers requesting benefits, labor cost, union cost, people who care about safety precautions etc etc...

it comes down to the all mighty dollar...i can bet that good company, that moved there factories to a different country, has already made up the cost for the move within 5 yrs...

You totally missed what I was saying with this one.

Go to the 4 minute mark.



Those people will work any where doing anything as long as it pays. Most of them would also tell you that the unions fucked them out of their dues, pay, and eventually jobs.




This is going to quickly turn into another thread jacking...

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by CleanAndLegit

i just wanna say a few things
im not familiar with any of the bills or blah blah blah
im 18 yrs old im of mexican decent
i have a job working for my fathers company.

let me ask you all who say immigrants should be kicked out or whatever
where did your family originate from?
who founded this country?
were the parents of your parents and of there parents etc legal?

would you work in the sun for 8+ hrs picking fruits veggies etc for 5 bucks an hr?

who do you see laying on the side of the freeway exits with signs asking for money?

who do you see STANDING on the side of the freeway exits with flowers veggies fruits etc TRYING to make money TRYING to survive?

lmk. thanks

It's the bad Mexicans that are the problems, not the good ones. Just so happens that the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. There's a reason why 70% of the prison population if black or hispanic, for some reason their two cultures draw SOME to crime. Not saying that ALL Mexicans and Blacks are bad but that's just the way things are, facts of life. The horrible thing is that things aren't like that in Mexico, but it goes on like that in the US. The reason for that is because of the US benefits. Most Mexican immigrants come to the United States for a better life, some come here to mooch off the system.....again, that's just the way it is.
Now, lets take a look at Arizona. The state is nearly broke and they are tired of paying higher taxes and medical bills for undocumented Mexicans. Not being racist, but that's just the way it is.
Now, lets take you, assuming you were born in the US, for example. What if an undocumented Mexican steals your identity so he could work? Is it a big deal? FUCK YES. You now have to pay his taxes, since now you're making more money. So, what do you do? Easy, just file a claim, right? FUCK NO. They investigate the shit out of YOU to see if you're bullshitting and sometimes you have to hire a lawyer to clear your name out of your own pocket. Happened to 5 Mexican friends of mine and 2 of them got a "too bad so sad" when they tried to apply in law enforcement. Better hope you don't have a last name of Hernandez or something common because you could be fucked.

And you're talking about immigrants who may have immigrated over 100+ years ago for some of us. This is a different time and different world. To assume that the Polish or Italian immigrants who had to float here on a boat are the same as immigrants who walk here is wrong. You may disagree with what I say but it's because you have a dog in the fight. What if Koreans (for example) moved into MoVal, bought every house around you, tagged the shit out of your walls, cost you money in medical bills because most are unemployed with large families, living off the government, and to make things worst they refuse to learn the language. Wouldn't it piss you off? Well, Arizona's pissed, and they have a right to. Again, not racist, just being real.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

People will work the best job they think they can get. If Mr. X thought he was worth that 50k then it is up to him to turn down the offer.

All these jackasses lazying about on welfare and bs disability claimed can go pick grapes for 2 bucks an hour. That is the value of their skills and it's no one's fault but their own.





First I don't get your point there ans second I disagree.





You totally missed what I was saying with this one.

Go to the 4 minute mark.



Those people will work any where doing anything as long as it pays. Most of them would also tell you that the unions fucked them out of their dues, pay, and eventually jobs.




This is going to quickly turn into another thread jacking...

I don't think it's thread jacking. I think it has a valid point because most Mexicans think that Americans are too lazy to mow lawns, clean rooms, and pick fruit. The American way IS labor and for some to think that Americans can't do it is just being stupid. Sure, a 40 year old man won't be out picking strawberries making minimum wage most likely but a 18 year old looking for some money would.

[CleanAndLegit]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

It's the bad Mexicans that are the problems, not the good ones. Just so happens that the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. There's a reason why 70% of the prison population if black or hispanic, for some reason their two cultures draw SOME to crime. Not saying that ALL Mexicans and Blacks are bad but that's just the way things are, facts of life. The horrible thing is that things aren't like that in Mexico, but it goes on like that in the US. The reason for that is because of the US benefits. Most Mexican immigrants come to the United States for a better life, some come here to mooch off the system.....again, that's just the way it is.
Now, lets take a look at Arizona. The state is nearly broke and they are tired of paying higher taxes and medical bills for undocumented Mexicans. Not being racist, but that's just the way it is.
Now, lets take you, assuming you were born in the US, for example. What if an undocumented Mexican steals your identity so he could work? Is it a big deal? FUCK YES. You now have to pay his taxes, since now you're making more money. So, what do you do? Easy, just file a claim, right? FUCK NO. They investigate the shit out of YOU to see if you're bullshitting and sometimes you have to hire a lawyer to clear your name out of your own pocket. Happened to 5 Mexican friends of mine and 2 of them got a "too bad so sad" when they tried to apply in law enforcement. Better hope you don't have a last name of Hernandez or something common because you could be fucked.

And you're talking about immigrants who may have immigrated over 100+ years ago for some of us. This is a different time and different world. To assume that the Polish or Italian immigrants who had to float here on a boat are the same as immigrants who walk here is wrong. You may disagree with what I say but it's because you have a dog in the fight. What if Koreans (for example) moved into MoVal, bought every house around you, tagged the shit out of your walls, cost you money in medical bills because most are unemployed with large families, living off the government, and to make things worst they refuse to learn the language. Wouldn't it piss you off? Well, Arizona's pissed, and they have a right to. Again, not racist, just being real.

i understand everything your saying and yes no racist just real

i am a u.s. citizen and yeah


what im just putting my .2cents about is well
that its not ONLY the HISPANICS
its everyfucking one which in fact you kinda pointed out.
i like your statements and cleared a few things up for me i thank you.
the thing about language is well that this country like stated above is universal there is no official language i speak 3 languages i speak SPANISH(SOME PEOPLE CALL THIS LANGUAGE MEXICAN) ENGLISH( SOME PEOPLE CALL THIS AMERICAN) FRENCH( SOME PEOPLE CALL THIS.....FRENCH)
lol

anyway
what i was saying about parents and founding fathers and stuff

is well its kind of in the same boat
with immigration not the mooching as ignorant fucks.
that goes for every race
anyway like i was saying

thats stupid because everyone who lives here legal or illegal immigrated here.
you may have not walked floated teleported or whatever the fuck you did to get here but they immigrated

[amdnivram]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

Exactly


I wish so bad i had dual citizen ship with Canada.


Agreed.
And if i lived in shitty blood bath corupt mexico, i would do the same if i had a child.
Much better opertunity here in the states.
But the amount of taxes one child going through foster families and all that shit cost is way mroe then the $300 a child they would get if they stayed.



Dude, what makes you think Legal US residents dont do that?
they do it all day long.
Thats been a problem since for ever.
People like my single mother of a mom will raise 3 kids, put herself through a university and work while getting government help and living in government assist housing, while our neighbors just sit and smoke weed and collect money.

Being illegal has nothing to do with it.
Just lazy people.
Illegals are also some of the hardest workers you will ever see.


Mexican construction workers on ANY public building are probably union, not illegal.

People are really stupid and think working mexicans are illegals.
NO, they are just Mexicans.
Its fucking racist profiling.

I wish they would make EVERYONE that supports this take the illegals jobs for the same rate.
You know how much a non illegal would want for picking vegtables?
holy shit things are gonna get expensive, OR SHIP OFF TO OTHER COUNTRIES!!
No one would EVER work any of those jobs for that rate.
Mexicans arent taking jobs.
If you go to the places they work, they will hire you over them in a heart beat.
But you wont be there after 1 week at the pay rate.
So now you have lazy americans saying illegals are taking the work while they sit on their ass and do nothing about getting a new job, and collect unemployment.



If you are pulled over for something, thats fine if they question you about stuff.
But pulling you over to see of your a citizen is BS.
Police now do not need cause to pull people over.
No more innocent until proven guilty.

I really dont know what to say. I completely agree with you. I see so many people blaming illegals when many citizens themselves do it. Shit with many of their logic, anyone who is lazy and on welfare should be abandoned by the government and kick off to some random rock. Just because people are Mexican and working doesnt mean they are here illegally. My parents were illegal up until a few years ago, they paid taxes every single year and got nothing back because it was just the right thing to do. My parents also agree with kicking the lazy illegal immigrants, but they can't see why anyone productive would have to leave. I mean really, no one is taking anyone's job. If an illegal immigrant can take your job, then all that is saying is that you were replaceable and not important to begin with. If your doing some menial job you shoulldnt expect great pay, go to school and learn something better.

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

It's the bad Mexicans that are the problems, not the good ones. Just so happens that the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. There's a reason why 70% of the prison population if black or hispanic, for some reason their two cultures draw SOME to crime. Not saying that ALL Mexicans and Blacks are bad but that's just the way things are, facts of life. The horrible thing is that things aren't like that in Mexico, but it goes on like that in the US. The reason for that is because of the US benefits. Most Mexican immigrants come to the United States for a better life, some come here to mooch off the system.....again, that's just the way it is.
Now, lets take a look at Arizona. The state is nearly broke and they are tired of paying higher taxes and medical bills for undocumented Mexicans. Not being racist, but that's just the way it is.
Now, lets take you, assuming you were born in the US, for example. What if an undocumented Mexican steals your identity so he could work? Is it a big deal? FUCK YES. You now have to pay his taxes, since now you're making more money. So, what do you do? Easy, just file a claim, right? FUCK NO. They investigate the shit out of YOU to see if you're bullshitting and sometimes you have to hire a lawyer to clear your name out of your own pocket. Happened to 5 Mexican friends of mine and 2 of them got a "too bad so sad" when they tried to apply in law enforcement. Better hope you don't have a last name of Hernandez or something common because you could be fucked.

And you're talking about immigrants who may have immigrated over 100+ years ago for some of us. This is a different time and different world. To assume that the Polish or Italian immigrants who had to float here on a boat are the same as immigrants who walk here is wrong. You may disagree with what I say but it's because you have a dog in the fight. What if Koreans (for example) moved into MoVal, bought every house around you, tagged the shit out of your walls, cost you money in medical bills because most are unemployed with large families, living off the government, and to make things worst they refuse to learn the language. Wouldn't it piss you off? Well, Arizona's pissed, and they have a right to. Again, not racist, just being real.

you seem off.

Blacks and Latino people in prison is more of a social issue then race.
Come to California.
Go into the projects.
people from there dont even get a chance.
for the most part, the government put them there.
And then they are exposed to drugs, violence, alchohol advertising every step..........people in those social areas are set up to lose.


And all the imigrants America has ever had have been look at as a problem.
You think NY wanted all those irish and shit?
Go watch Gangs of NY or something, lol
You remember 15 years ago when it was the Russian immigrants everyone hated.
And here in LA its now the Armanians.
Society likes to blame things like immigration for a fucked up government running our country on a fucking pyramid scam.

Babys being born in the United states has always made them a citizen.
And thats the way it is in most countries.
tis just mroe Racism from Arizona.

Remember 1991
When the Nazi's in AZ wanted to get rid of MLK day?

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

you seem off.

Blacks and Latino people in prison is more of a social issue then race.
Come to California.
Go into the projects.
people from there dont even get a chance.
for the most part, the government put them there.
And then they are exposed to drugs, violence, alchohol advertising every step..........people in those social areas are set up to lose.


And all the imigrants America has ever had have been look at as a problem.
You think NY wanted all those irish and shit?
Go watch Gangs of NY or something, lol
You remember 15 years ago when it was the Russian immigrants everyone hated.
And here in LA its now the Armanians.
Society likes to blame things like immigration for a fucked up government running our country on a fucking pyramid scam.

Babys being born in the United states has always made them a citizen.
And thats the way it is in most countries.
tis just mroe Racism from Arizona.

Remember 1991
When the Nazi's in AZ wanted to get rid of MLK day?

Born, raised, and currently living in Ca. Graduated from HS with 76% Hispanic. Ever heard of Rialto? where that's where I grew up my friend, and it's a little worst than Hollywood. I was exposed to the same shit that a lot of people were exposed to but I had proper parenting, and unfortunately there's not a lot of parenting going on in my area. More people are looking to be cool than doing the right thing. And yes, it is a social issue.
But like I said, there were problems that came from the Italians and Irish but they HAD to adapt. Their countries are overseas while Mexico is a hop, skip and a jump away. If an Italian rearended a person while drunk and put the victim in a wheelchair for their rest of their life they had no other choice but go to jail but a Mexican would cut tail and run the Mexico (which happened to my dad's best friends wife). And don't forget, we're dealing with a 3rd world country in Mexico, there's very minimal paperwork on people so locating a fugitive in Mexico is practically impossible.

[kingkilburn]

You want to deal with people mooching off the system. Fine. Fix the system. Then no one can mooch citizen or not.

You want to deal with illegal immigration. Secure the borders and ports(let the National Guard do their job). Make it easier for those that want to be legally to do so, whether that means citizenship or legal resident.

[I LUV MY S13]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

It's the bad Mexicans that are the problems, not the good ones. Just so happens that the bad ones ruin it for the good ones. There's a reason why 70% of the prison population if black or hispanic, for some reason their two cultures draw SOME to crime. Not saying that ALL Mexicans and Blacks are bad but that's just the way things are, facts of life. The horrible thing is that things aren't like that in Mexico, but it goes on like that in the US. The reason for that is because of the US benefits. Most Mexican immigrants come to the United States for a better life, some come here to mooch off the system.....again, that's just the way it is.
Now, lets take a look at Arizona. The state is nearly broke and they are tired of paying higher taxes and medical bills for undocumented Mexicans. Not being racist, but that's just the way it is.
Now, lets take you, assuming you were born in the US, for example. What if an undocumented Mexican steals your identity so he could work? Is it a big deal? FUCK YES. You now have to pay his taxes, since now you're making more money. So, what do you do? Easy, just file a claim, right? FUCK NO. They investigate the shit out of YOU to see if you're bullshitting and sometimes you have to hire a lawyer to clear your name out of your own pocket. Happened to 5 Mexican friends of mine and 2 of them got a "too bad so sad" when they tried to apply in law enforcement. Better hope you don't have a last name of Hernandez or something common because you could be fucked.

And you're talking about immigrants who may have immigrated over 100+ years ago for some of us. This is a different time and different world. To assume that the Polish or Italian immigrants who had to float here on a boat are the same as immigrants who walk here is wrong. You may disagree with what I say but it's because you have a dog in the fight. What if Koreans (for example) moved into MoVal, bought every house around you, tagged the shit out of your walls, cost you money in medical bills because most are unemployed with large families, living off the government, and to make things worst they refuse to learn the language. Wouldn't it piss you off? Well, Arizona's pissed, and they have a right to. Again, not racist, just being real.

where did you get these statistics? whites hold the greatest population in the nation's prison system..it may certain areas where the minority are the majority, but definitely not overall

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by I LUV MY S13

where did you get these statistics? whites hold the greatest population in the nation's prison system..it may certain areas where the minority are the majority, but definitely not overall

California’s Changing Prison Population: Larger, Older… And More Violent (PPIC Press Release)

The prison population is also marked by large racial/ethnic disparities. At 38 percent, Latino men now constitute the largest share of the state’s male prisoners (roughly comparable to their share of the adult population). At 27 percent, white men are underrepresented in prison; but at 29 percent, African American men are vastly overrepresented. African American men are 7 times as likely as white men and 4.5 times as likely as Latino men to be incarcerated. One out of every 12 African American men in California between the age of 25 and 29 is currently in state prison. There are also disparities by offense type, with African American and Latino prisoners (52% each) more likely than whites (44%) to be imprisoned for violent offenses.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

You want to deal with people mooching off the system. Fine. Fix the system. Then no one can mooch citizen or not.

You want to deal with illegal immigration. Secure the borders and ports(let the National Guard do their job). Make it easier for those that want to be legally to do so, whether that means citizenship or legal resident.

I 100% agree with you. Although, the system was put into place for a good cause and, again, the people who are chosing to take advantage turn a good thing into a bad thing.

As far as securing our borders, I agree. I would like to take it a step further. I think it should be easier to become a citizen legally but if you fuck up, you're done.

[I LUV MY S13]

yeah i thought that was more a state issue, from what i remember from my sociology class whites make up more than 50% of the national prison population..

[kingkilburn]

Generally Whites make up a larger section and are in for much more heinous crimes(rape, murder,arson). Usually ethnic minorities get put away for petty theft or minor drug stuff.

[cc4usmc]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I've read it many many times, read many of the essays and treatises that inspired it, and have spent a huge amount of time discussing/debating politics and history. I am actually considering studying constitutional law.

Have you read Common Sense by Thomas Paine? I've heard it's an awesome read, I have it around here somewhere but haven't got to it yet.

Originally Posted by ericcastro

most of them make minimum wage, or just above.
But who can survive off that and will actually stick to a extremely hard job with that?
minimum wage is for highschoolers with fast food jobs and movie theater jobs.

How much would they be paid if they were still in Mexico?

Originally Posted by I LUV MY S13

its called federalism and it makes sense..i dont want the to be governed the same way someone 3,000 miles away is..

I was specifically referring to how the rights of people are treated, but I didn't make that specific so forgive me. For example, I shouldn't have to move out of California to a state such as Arizona so that I may enjoy my right to own firearms more freely.

Originally Posted by CleanAndLegit

let me ask you all who say immigrants should be kicked out or whatever

Who's breaking the law and who isn't?

And..

Originally Posted by CleanAndLegit

that its not ONLY the HISPANICS

I think everyone here is aware that Mexican illegal immigrants aren't the only problem, but, that's the topic of this thread. Well, the topic was the kids, but that only lasted a few posts.

[bb4_96]

This thread makes me happy. you could almost make a whole other thread exclusively about ethnic groups percieved work ethics.

It's not that all white people are lazy they've just lived on the accomplishments of previous generations so long that now every white person is entitled to the best life work or no work... It's just the way we've grown up. I'm college educated, I'm not going to pick fruit for $5. The problem is so many white folks feel this way even if they have no higher education or labor skills(skilled labor). They were born middle class they drop out and deserve lower class wages and expect the same middle class lifestyle. I know because I grew up with these guys.

There is alot of racial poverty in the big cities(where alot of the population lives). Minorities in these areas can always strive to escape poverty but alot of people don't want to. Why would you want to if you grew up that way and are okay with it. If you collect the checks and sling a little you can live pretty or excessively well in the city. I know because I grtew up with these guys too.

As far as the topic of necessity of illegal labor in the US. I don't know any legal individual personally of any ethicity who would work in a modern day slaughter house. Also, no one is going to want to pay for produce picked at $10/hr when they can have fruit picked for $5/hr. It's not that some people wouldn't pick for $5/hr but for a vast majority of people it's not worth it when the system can support you. Hence the necessity of illegal labor. If anyone believes the States can staff it's dirty work with legals and still afford the products then you live in lala land.

I'd actually like to manipulate produce firm's profit functions to see what increase in labor cost would do to retail on the stuff i buy.

[KA_MOCOING_YOU]

Fuckin dumb asses just grow the fuck up who gives a shit where we where born who the fuck are we to decide who lives where and how they chose to live it open ur fuckin eyes n look at what u think is right playing the role of god that's how u know ur going to hell by trying to be him

[Csomme]

LOL trying to be him? By protecting our citizens from ignorant under-educated scum?

I think not.


YOU have a distorted veiw of God if you think we're trying to be him by doing that.

[handinpants]

Finally, someone who speaks logically. I have been waitingfor this for a long time. As far as it being unconstitutional, well I find it funny the illegals understand the word unconstitutional, but they don't understand the word illegal

Originally Posted by ranger240

oh yeah compare things to the nazis..... magnitude doesn't matter when examining history



guess what? it was illegal for the mothers to be here... hence the kids shouldn't have legally been born here


other countries don't award birth certificates to non-citizen births, let alone ILLEGAL presence on their soil.


sure it sucks that your parents broke the law when you were born, but guess what? you were supposed to be in mexico or canada or ireland or wherever the hell your parents are citizens of..


will it be a disaster/mess to implement? ABSOLUTELY

does this law make perfect sense? ABSOLUTELY

do i care what kingkillburns or whoever's retort to mine will be? ABSOLUTELY NOT

hey guys we should go on the gold std. btw

[handinpants]

Steve, using a fake ssn or someone elses ssn is considered fraud and identity theft. It could hurt other people

[Sam_Well.13]

immigrants does the dirty jobs in the US, but i dont think its fair for the people with no papers to take that away from them. People who come here with no education yet still able to come here legally are willing to do anything just to get by. then you got these illegal immigrants who take that away from them, not paying taxes....its all bullshit.

i think they should just all get rid of illegal immigrants. imagine how much U.S would be if everyone living here is paying their dues every pay-check like the average joe.

[Sam_Well.13]

Originally Posted by handinpants

Steve, using a fake ssn or someone elses ssn is considered fraud and identity theft. It could hurt other people

glad you brought that up.. i didnt get a job i wanted because apparently. i was already working in SAN JOSE, CA... when i actually live 8 hrs south...WTF!!!!!!

[Sam_Well.13]

back to topic.. children who are born here by illegal immigrants should be kicked out as well.. yes its not their fault, but what can you do. its a chain reaction.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by Sam_Well.13

back to topic.. children who are born here by illegal immigrants should be kicked out as well.. yes its not their fault, but what can you do. its a chain reaction.

Until the law is changed they are US citizens. If we let them get kicked out we are opening the door for us to get kicked out.

[bb4_96]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Until the law is changed they are US citizens. If we let them get kicked out we are opening the door for us to get kicked out.

Agree/disagree: They are technically US citezens having been born on us soil. However kicking them out will not open the door for us to get kicked out. The opponents quarrel is that the parents aren't citizens so why should the child be. I don't think it will ever get so far as to effect children of legal citizen(s). Thats a bit of a stretch. I like how you try to get people fired up about being politically aware. We need more of this.