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Corbic · 10-22-2012, 06:41 AM

Have you decided who to vote for yet?

In lieu of the upcoming final debate is anyone out there, honestly, still undecided? Realistically, did either debate sway anyone one way or the other?

To be honest I watched neither the past two, nor will I watch the final debate. I decided long ago more or less based on party. Just like 90% of America, I already knew what party I was voting for even before the primaries started. What I have come to believe is that the entire debate process is pointless. After all, what do we come out of these debates talking about? The issues? The plan, the platform? Oh Hell No!

We talk about teleprompters, who smiled more, who was obnoxious, who was “presidential”, who had better one liners and of course who could time there political rhetoric correctly. I believe the era of electronic media has driven us to vote for the men and not for the ideas. We will never see a fat-dumpy balding President again. Never will we again have a squeaky voiced, lazy eyed President, hell we won’t even get one as a primary candidate.

One hundred years ago parties where forced to post up large boards with their platform, laying out exactly what they intended to do. This was really the primary way of picking a candidate…

Here is Lincoln’s 1860 Party Platform. This is by and large the only reason and exposure those who voted for him, voted for him. He didn’t have commercials, he didn’t have interviews – you may have saw a few snips in the newspapers and been lucky enough to see him at a convention. But when it came time to vote most people saw a few of these things posted on the walls around the ballot boxes.

http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Repu...form_1860.html

So, in my off tangent, would it not be better for Presidents/Parties to continue this tradition. Why don’t we expect candidates to put together a PDF that lays out exactly what they want and intend to do. What laws they want enacted, what laws changed and what laws removed. Their view on taxing structures, major cultural issues and pretty much layout a 4 year business plan, line by line, subject by subject, year by year of what they hope to accomplish and how they will do this.

Then we can debate on how realistic this plan is as well as how much we agree with it. For the city official we can then go back and line by line look at what the accomplished, what they failed to accomplish and why. We can also evaluate the… “hey, you said you wanted to expand American oil drilling but you signed two laws restricting it”. You wouldn’t have to go back and review sound bites about “at what time did he say it was terrorists”. It would be plain as day – this is what you said you wanted to accomplish – this is what you ACTUALLY did.

ZenkiKid · 10-22-2012, 06:47 AM

Barack Obama vs Mitt Romney - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

I was pretty split between the two till 4 issues came up, I wont say what those issues are and who I ended up siding with though.

**Phlip** · 10-22-2012, 07:23 AM

I watched the previous debates because it was better television than anything that happened to have been on at the moment. I had already done my homework on the local issues and my mind was made on who I was voting for in the presidential race, so I did early voting this past Friday.
It will depend on how I feel whether or not I actually watch the debate tomorrow.
To answer another question; in my opinion, the only REAL “undecided” voters this late in the game are the people who are undecided on whether they WILL vote or not, not WHO they will vote for. People who planned to vote all along have known who they were voting for since at least the Conventions at the very latest. Debates will not have swayed them

gbaby2089 · 10-22-2012, 07:32 AM

I just watch the debates because they're entertaining, I'm looking forward to this one, I love foreign policy/international politics.

EDacIouSX · 10-22-2012, 08:55 PM

diffen.com is skewed.

Position on Healthcare:

I completely agree with romney. Let the states decide on their own what they want to do. What if everyone in California wants universal health care but no one in Florida wants it? Why should californians impose their ideas on Floridians?

1 88 U · 10-22-2012, 09:03 PM

Obama kicked his ass

1 88 U · 10-22-2012, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EDacIouSX

diffen.com is skewed.

Position on Healthcare:

I completely agree with romney. Let the states decide on their own what they want to do. What if everyone in California wants universal health care but no one in Florida wants it? Why should californians impose their ideas on Floridians?

There are/where people in the south that wanted segregation.

LEG1T · 10-22-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Obama kicked his ass

"the surge worked"

1 88 U · 10-22-2012, 09:11 PM

Poll: Obama wins final presidential debate - CBS News Video

jvsc91talon · 10-22-2012, 09:14 PM

HANDS DOWN Romney got his ass handed to him.

LEG1T · 10-22-2012, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Poll: Obama wins final presidential debate - CBS News Video

Just 23% thought he won!? Holy crap he did worse than I thought..
That's terrible...

CNN's polls aren't look much better for Romney either.

1 88 U · 10-22-2012, 09:17 PM

Romney showed an inability to improvise. He just returned to the same talking points over and over. Obama has a much stronger ability to ad lib, even with the uh's and pauses.

1 88 U · 10-22-2012, 09:21 PM

CNN fact check.

Libya cost more in two weeks than Iraq costs divided by weeks x 2.

Obama - False.

lol

Brian · 10-22-2012, 09:35 PM

Do people really base their vote on a F-ing televised "debate"?
I'm sure some do.

edit - sorry, stupid question. lol. continue the nonsense!

*revat619* · 10-22-2012, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

Do people really base their vote on a F-ing televised "debate"?
I'm sure some do.

edit - sorry, stupid question. lol. continue the nonsense!

Lol I love the jackassery. 'Murrica!

1 88 U · 10-22-2012, 09:56 PM

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...DebatePoll.pdf

1. Obama won the debate: 53/42

2. Who are you planning to vote for in the presidential election?

Barack Obama............................................. ... 51%
Mitt Romney............................................ ........ 45%

men: 47% 50%
women: 55% 41%

Fuck is wrong with American men?

K_style · 10-22-2012, 09:58 PM

I agree on Romney got his ass kicked pretty good.

I don't know.. How will I take another 4 more years? Not sure.

I wish I could vote so mine could be a little help..

1 88 U · 10-22-2012, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K_style

I agree on Romney got his ass kicked pretty good.

I don't know.. How will I take another 4 more years? Not sure.

I wish I could vote so mine could be a little help..

four more years of slow growth?

EDacIouSX · 10-22-2012, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

There are/where people in the south that wanted segregation.

I don't get what you're trying to say. We have tons of laws in place such as the interstate commerce clause that states a lot of things that States cannot do and can do. One of these laws states that a state cannot separate from the union. How the civil war/south wanting to separate have anything to do with letting each state decide how to manage their own health care plans?

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Originally Posted by 1 88 U

four more years of slow growth?

oh wait, was bush president these last four years?

My bad!

I don't get this it's Bush's fault crap. I can spend 20 years building the sickest 240 ever and it will only take 20 seconds to completely destroy it. Bush could have destroyed our economy over night. You can also buy a POS car and make it look amazing within 1 month of hard work. Obama's had four years and our economy went from ok to worse. He even had a majority in congress (senate? I forget which) for 2 of the four years.

K_style · 10-22-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 1 88 U

four more years of slow growth?

Huh? that was growth? I guess I don't have statics but it sure doesn't look like it.

K_style · 10-22-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EDacIouSX

You can also buy a POC car and make it look amazing within 1 month of hard work. Obama's had four years and our economy went from ok to worse. He even had a majority in congress (senate? I forget which) for 2 of the four years.

What is POC car??

Obama sure did have almost 4 years but he sure didn't make our economy better.

EDacIouSX · 10-23-2012, 01:16 AM

POS my bad.

gbaby2089 · 10-23-2012, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EDacIouSX

I don't get what you're trying to say. We have tons of laws in place such as the interstate commerce clause that states a lot of things that States cannot do and can do. One of these laws states that a state cannot separate from the union. How the civil war/south wanting to separate have anything to do with letting each state decide how to manage their own health care plans?

oh wait, was bush president these last four years?

My bad!

I don't get this it's Bush's fault crap. I can spend 20 years building the sickest 240 ever and it will only take 20 seconds to completely destroy it. Bush could have destroyed our economy over night. You can also buy a POS car and make it look amazing within 1 month of hard work. Obama's had four years and our economy went from ok to worse. He even had a majority in congress (senate? I forget which) for 2 of the four years.

Our economy was ok when Bush left office? You must have an impressively selective memory, you know forgetting the collapse of the economy as a whole in levels unseen since the Depression.

Do you realize it took over a decade to recover from the depression and that was only really brought on by the second World War (The reviving of the economy)?

The President really can't have that much impact on the economy, he can put policies in place and they can stop the bleeding and things such as that, but he doesn't have the power to reverse a drop with the drop of a bill.

And from ok to worse doesn't make sense since unemployment is back to where it was and the stock market is booming.

Corbic · 10-23-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gbaby2089

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Do you realize it took over a decade to recover from the depression and that was only really brought on by the second World War (The reviving of the economy)?

It's been proved out that FDR's policies lengthened the depression considerably.

JimCrom · 10-23-2012, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic

It's been proved out that FDR's policies lengthened the depression considerably.

What!? You want to cite some of those sources?

Corbic · 10-23-2012, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

The President really can't have that much impact on the economy, he can put policies in place and they can stop the bleeding and things such as that, but he doesn't have the power to reverse a drop with the drop of a bill.

So then how is it "Bush's fault"?

I love how everyone has forgotten about 9/11.

9/11 basically had the country chomping at the bit to kick some ass - Cha-Ching two wars.

9/11 destabilized markets and industries- so low credits and tax cuts came in to calm investor fears.

Oil Prices went up.

The entire Federal Government was restructured, Homeland Security, ect

Of course Bush has to be a nice guy, good Christian he is, and there was an expansion of social welfare programs under him.

As far as the banks, go as Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. That was a mess 25 years in the making with biggest scumbags out there overseeing it.

Bush never tried to sell him self as a fiscal conservative, he was a "compassionate conservative".

AsleepAltima · 10-23-2012, 07:41 AM

dont give two shits about the debates to be honest. didnt vote for obama last time and wont vote for him this time. he hurts my paychecks too much.

LEG1T · 10-23-2012, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic

So then how is it "Bush's fault"?

I love how everyone has forgotten about 9/11.

9/11 basically had the country chomping at the bit to kick some ass - Cha-Ching two wars.

9/11 destabilized markets and industries- so low credits and tax cuts came in to calm investor fears.

Oil Prices went up.

The entire Federal Government was restructured, Homeland Security, ect

Of course Bush has to be a nice guy, good Christian he is, and there was an expansion of social welfare programs under him.

As far as the banks, go as Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. That was a mess 25 years in the making with biggest scumbags out there overseeing it.

Bush never tried to sell him self as a fiscal conservative, he was a "compassionate conservative".

Are we getting sidetracked? How did this discussion go to Bush's issues.

I believe he was trying to make a point on how republicans expect the nation to recover from such a crisis so quickly. Is thinking this mess should be solved or corrected with amazing growth all within 4 years realistic? Any idea on the years it took to get into trouble?

And to your credit-
Bush never tried to sell him self as a fiscal conservative, he was a "compassionate conservative".

I guess that is clear with you and that's cool, but let's talk about Romney "trying" to sell himself as what? Can you confidently say that you know what he sells himself on? Agreeing with the president on most of foreign policy, after going against him weeks before?

Highway Riding · 10-23-2012, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic

I love how everyone has forgotten about 9/11.

.

Werd.... Some of us who was put thru that BS neva forget!

gbaby2089 · 10-23-2012, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic

So then how is it "Bush's fault"?

I love how everyone has forgotten about 9/11.

9/11 basically had the country chomping at the bit to kick some ass - Cha-Ching two wars.

9/11 destabilized markets and industries- so low credits and tax cuts came in to calm investor fears.

Oil Prices went up.

The entire Federal Government was restructured, Homeland Security, ect

Of course Bush has to be a nice guy, good Christian he is, and there was an expansion of social welfare programs under him.

As far as the banks, go as Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. That was a mess 25 years in the making with biggest scumbags out there overseeing it.

Bush never tried to sell him self as a fiscal conservative, he was a "compassionate conservative".

I did not blame the economy on Bush. I blame the two wars on his regime, I don't put the economy at his feet.

9/11 only leads to two wars if the country is running on faulty logic. Iraq had no part in 9/11, Afghanistan will never be a war worth fighting.

At the very most we should've gone into Afghanistan, eliminated some baddies, left and never returned.

Anyone who says terrorism is a threat to national security is lying.

Would love to see your 'proof' that FDR extended the Depression.

10-22-2012, 06:41 AM	#1
Corbic Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: US Age: 40 Posts: 8,225 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	3rd Debate - Are you really undecided...still? Have you decided who to vote for yet? In lieu of the upcoming final debate is anyone out there, honestly, still undecided? Realistically, did either debate sway anyone one way or the other? To be honest I watched neither the past two, nor will I watch the final debate. I decided long ago more or less based on party. Just like 90% of America, I already knew what party I was voting for even before the primaries started. What I have come to believe is that the entire debate process is pointless. After all, what do we come out of these debates talking about? The issues? The plan, the platform? Oh Hell No! We talk about teleprompters, who smiled more, who was obnoxious, who was “presidential”, who had better one liners and of course who could time there political rhetoric correctly. I believe the era of electronic media has driven us to vote for the men and not for the ideas. We will never see a fat-dumpy balding President again. Never will we again have a squeaky voiced, lazy eyed President, hell we won’t even get one as a primary candidate. One hundred years ago parties where forced to post up large boards with their platform, laying out exactly what they intended to do. This was really the primary way of picking a candidate… Here is Lincoln’s 1860 Party Platform. This is by and large the only reason and exposure those who voted for him, voted for him. He didn’t have commercials, he didn’t have interviews – you may have saw a few snips in the newspapers and been lucky enough to see him at a convention. But when it came time to vote most people saw a few of these things posted on the walls around the ballot boxes. http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Repu...form_1860.html So, in my off tangent, would it not be better for Presidents/Parties to continue this tradition. Why don’t we expect candidates to put together a PDF that lays out exactly what they want and intend to do. What laws they want enacted, what laws changed and what laws removed. Their view on taxing structures, major cultural issues and pretty much layout a 4 year business plan, line by line, subject by subject, year by year of what they hope to accomplish and how they will do this. Then we can debate on how realistic this plan is as well as how much we agree with it. For the city official we can then go back and line by line look at what the accomplished, what they failed to accomplish and why. We can also evaluate the… “hey, you said you wanted to expand American oil drilling but you signed two laws restricting it”. You wouldn’t have to go back and review sound bites about “at what time did he say it was terrorists”. It would be plain as day – this is what you said you wanted to accomplish – this is what you ACTUALLY did.

10-22-2012, 06:47 AM	#2
ZenkiKid Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 34 Posts: 3,284 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Barack Obama vs Mitt Romney - Difference and Comparison \| Diffen I was pretty split between the two till 4 issues came up, I wont say what those issues are and who I ended up siding with though. __________________ http://www.nissanroadracing.com/

10-22-2012, 07:23 AM	#3
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,976 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I watched the previous debates because it was better television than anything that happened to have been on at the moment. I had already done my homework on the local issues and my mind was made on who I was voting for in the presidential race, so I did early voting this past Friday. It will depend on how I feel whether or not I actually watch the debate tomorrow. To answer another question; in my opinion, the only REAL “undecided” voters this late in the game are the people who are undecided on whether they WILL vote or not, not WHO they will vote for. People who planned to vote all along have known who they were voting for since at least the Conventions at the very latest. Debates will not have swayed them __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

10-22-2012, 09:35 PM	#14
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	Do people really base their vote on a F-ing televised "debate"? I'm sure some do. edit - sorry, stupid question. lol. continue the nonsense! __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

10-22-2012, 07:32 AM	#4
gbaby2089 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: WI Posts: 833 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I just watch the debates because they're entertaining, I'm looking forward to this one, I love foreign policy/international politics.

10-22-2012, 08:55 PM	#5
EDacIouSX Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 38 Posts: 4,565 Trader Rating: (53) Rides Gallery: EDacIouSX Feedback Score: 53 reviews	diffen.com is skewed. Position on Healthcare: I completely agree with romney. Let the states decide on their own what they want to do. What if everyone in California wants universal health care but no one in Florida wants it? Why should californians impose their ideas on Floridians?

10-22-2012, 09:03 PM	#6
1 88 U Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ga Posts: 536 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Obama kicked his ass

10-22-2012, 09:11 PM	#9
1 88 U Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ga Posts: 536 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Poll: Obama wins final presidential debate - CBS News Video

10-22-2012, 09:14 PM	#10
jvsc91talon Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Cali Age: 37 Posts: 19 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	HANDS DOWN Romney got his ass handed to him.

10-22-2012, 09:17 PM	#12
1 88 U Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ga Posts: 536 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Romney showed an inability to improvise. He just returned to the same talking points over and over. Obama has a much stronger ability to ad lib, even with the uh's and pauses.

10-22-2012, 09:21 PM	#13
1 88 U Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ga Posts: 536 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	CNN fact check. Libya cost more in two weeks than Iraq costs divided by weeks x 2. Obama - False. lol

10-22-2012, 09:56 PM	#16
1 88 U Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ga Posts: 536 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...DebatePoll.pdf 1. Obama won the debate: 53/42 2. Who are you planning to vote for in the presidential election? Barack Obama............................................. ... 51% Mitt Romney............................................ ........ 45% men: 47% 50% women: 55% 41% Fuck is wrong with American men?

10-22-2012, 09:58 PM	#17
K_style Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 7,666 Trader Rating: (63) Rides Gallery: K_style Feedback Score: 63 reviews	I agree on Romney got his ass kicked pretty good. I don't know.. How will I take another 4 more years? Not sure. I wish I could vote so mine could be a little help..

10-23-2012, 01:16 AM	#22
EDacIouSX Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 38 Posts: 4,565 Trader Rating: (53) Rides Gallery: EDacIouSX Feedback Score: 53 reviews	POS my bad.

10-23-2012, 07:41 AM	#27
AsleepAltima Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Ca Age: 51 Posts: 667 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	dont give two shits about the debates to be honest. didnt vote for obama last time and wont vote for him this time. he hurts my paychecks too much.