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08-23-2011, 06:07 AM | #31 | |
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But did anyone mention that vaporized fuel takes up more room than liquid fuel? Thus it's harder to get the same amount of oxygen in the combustion chamber with the fuel. Also, if you're using heat to vaporize the fuel, this decreases the density of the air/fuel charge, further decreasing the oxygen content. Direct injection is basically the closest thing to what you're talking about. The higher the fuel pressure, the more atomized the fuel becomes, and putting it directly into the chamber cools the intake charge and eliminates fuel puddling behind the intake valve.
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This is true...
Atomizing or vaporizing, the concept is the same. It's all based on the dispersion of the fuel molecules. The more dispersed, more is burned... For what you were talking about is essentially removing the air all together, but in fact, the goal here is to attain a near perfect burn efficiency of a 15:1 a/f ratio. Even though hot vapors are entering the combustion chamber, it is combined with a charge of cold air. As far as I can see, you are right with the puddling that would occur at the injector itself if doing a direct port. But, what if it was applied as a fogger system closer to the valves instead? You would still retain the right amount of fuel vapors with the proper amount of air that would mix prior to entering the combustion chamber.
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Ok... So, it's been more than a year since I last updated this thread. You all know the deal, good old life changing events. But anyways, we have everything needed and assembled ready to go into the car. Only thing I'm waiting on right now is to get the LSX swap done in the Z32. I thought I might as well have a fresh motor with good power to start off with.
Since the winter months are coming up, the car will be going under the knife as soon as possible. Still trying to source a VQ35HR 6-speed for cheap. The wife is still pissed at me for buying the motor. Hopefully I'll have the Z up and running by the time the snow is melted. I'll do my best to keep this thread going as much as possible. Probably the only thing that would hold me back right now would be a deployment to some God foresaken country. We'll see how things turn out...
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10-18-2012, 08:58 AM | #36 | |
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10-18-2012, 09:42 AM | #37 |
So this whole electric motor idea.... gas is used to get the car going and at a certain stage, the electric motor kicks in. This running on a powered source, it can run on X amount of miles per charge. Seeing you guys are more inclined on this than I am, my curious thought would be, why couldn't a car having a system that as one battery is being used up, an alternator is charging up a secondary battery or power source to switch to? This process would repeat over and over. Essentially you could run a car for as long as the battery(s) can hold a charge. At least that is how I see it.
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Propane is a very good source of fuel not only is it available anywhere but burns much cleaner than gas, and is pressurized and a vapor, couldn't you use that with good spark plugs and get better mpg?
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Not dogging on your idea, just doesn't seem feasible with the batteries we got today.
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Propane is a cheap solution, but for it to have enough usable energy to perform on it's own just isn't there and you would need a very large tank for it to have the range of a car since it already is a gas and not condensed enough. My idea would just let it be our normal everyday gas that is already dense and transforming it into a vapor for better dispersion when mixed with air to get a cleaner burn.
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Hotter and more consistent spark=more efficient (complete) burn... A more efficient burn=MORE POWER!!! , more range, and less emissions.
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Nice... I can honestly say that I did not know that. I'll have to look into it. As for his rig, it's something expected, I've seen it done plenty times with buses and large trucks.
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It's all good. I want to know what he's talking about as well. But, I still get the gist of what he's getting at.
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May be a little off track but people consistently get over 100mpg from the VW Lupo Blue motion in Europe. There are also big body jags that will do 70mpg in Europe. All this straight from the factory just relying on a diesel engine, no fancy batteries or tricks.
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If i remember my chemistry class correctly, vapors become liquids once under pressure.. so it would make no sense in a combustion type engine due to the 4 stroke cycle. The engine would have to be entirely remodeled to combust vapors so any chance of changing your car to run vapor fumes would mean inventing a whole new motor.
The idea is possible but where would you find readily available vapor gas stations.. plus the gas tank to hold it would be ginormous. If the idea is out there, Motor companies would have started development. Motor companies and gas stations have no relation whatsoever so whats stopping them from making cars that can do 100+MPG. Most consumer would purchase these car (IE why theres so many Prius) In the end, fossil fuel is a dying breed and should not be worth investing money to as eventually oil supply will dry out. The smarter way to go electric, diesel, hydrogen.. etc. 50 years from now you would laugh at the use of gasoline to power vehicles (just as kerosene was used for lighting back in 1800s) |
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What kind of engineer are you? Just wondering, not trying to be a dick.
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