What Is A Easy Way To Gain Torque In A Ka24E Sohc Engine???

[LadyJdm]

Hi Everyone! I Have A Few Questions To Ask About ,"How To Gain Torque",
I'm Still New To The World Of Motors...

[So PLEASE BARE WITH ME!!!] [ >_<;]

I just bought a s13 coupe with a ka24e single cam engine, works good! but i'm planning on tuning the engine, for all motor.

I heard a couple easy ways to gain torque, but i wanted to ask for sure if it REALLY works, i see forums online, but they still don't give me a good example about the plus & negatives about it, and so here are my questions!

I heard you can gain EASY torque if you install a 350z clutch and also a rb20 flywheel?

Couple Of people online have seen it done and also have experiences with it also, so are they pretty easy to install? and is it really true about if you install these 2 things, its one of the easiest ways to gain easy torque???

[ericcastro]

why do you need more torque?
just curious?
Might be easier for us to help you if we knew your end goal and reason.

From what I hear, all motor builds are extremely expensive and are only really for guys that are running certain racing classes where you need to have the stock engine.

[NismoDriverS13]

why would u even keep KA24E??? get engine swap, go for KA24DE, SR's, RB's.

KA24E's are crap imo. im rockin my KA24e for now till i get a G, then swap that shit out of there.

it's just not worth spending money on a ka24e......

[I LUV MY S13]

ka24e are good motors...

[Walperstyle]

Originally Posted by I LUV MY S13

ka24e are good motors...

once you fix the head. tick tick tick tick

[Ben G]

install rb... torque complete

[S13 curtis]

Originally Posted by Ben G

install rb... torque complete

I lol'd...

[LadyJdm]

well everyone has a ka dohc,rb20, or sr20, i want to be alittle different in my engine tuning, and also, right now im in the process of having a drift/daily car, my single cam is good, but i want alittle more punch when i hit higher revs, and i also canyon, so i do need more power to go up hill also.

i was thinking bout going dual cam, but i want to mess around with the single cam motor 1st so i can learn from my mistakes before i go for a bigger motor =)

but my question is does a 350z clutch & rb20 flywhell really help with that much torque???

[Katsumbhong]

Originally Posted by LadyJdm

well everyone has a ka dohc,rb20, or sr20, i want to be alittle different in my engine tuning, and also, right now im in the process of having a drift/daily car, my single cam is good, but i want alittle more punch when i hit higher revs, and i also canyon, so i do need more power to go up hill also.

i was thinking bout going dual cam, but i want to mess around with the single cam motor 1st so i can learn from my mistakes before i go for a bigger motor =)

but my question is does a 350z clutch & rb20 flywhell really help with that much torque???

Don't know about the 350/rb combo, but you can always run a white bunny set up
Everday Tuning: The White Bunny Special

Swapping out clutches don't up torque, but allow you to run higher torque numbers w/o torque slip


White bunny clutch swap gives you more tractable area on the clutch surface.

[sincity_sil80]

Originally Posted by LadyJdm

well everyone has a ka dohc,rb20, or sr20, i want to be alittle different

everyone on here also has a 240.. if you want to be different get an aveo lmao

[Shift n Drift]

Originally Posted by sincity_sil80

everyone on here also has a 240.. if you want to be different get an aveo lmao

ok engines and cars are two different things

[Shift n Drift]

and the best sounding single slammer ka that was na that i heard was at the track, i walked up and asked him... dude wtf you got in there, and he said... a single slammer ka with a jwt cam and tune. i almost shit a brick. so hearing that, i think you should get a jwt cam and tune. this guy had no problem with losing torque when he was drifting

[charlie321]

Originally Posted by Shift n Drift

and the best sounding single slammer ka that was na that i heard was at the track, i walked up and asked him... dude wtf you got in there, and he said... a single slammer ka with a jwt cam and tune. i almost shit a brick. so hearing that, i think you should get a jwt cam and tune. this guy had no problem with losing torque when he was drifting

I never had a problem losing torque on a bone stock KAE drifting.

I haven't heard anything about the JWT cam, I only have experience with the Nismo R4, I would like to hear more though! Does BC make one for the sohc?

[g6civcx]

Originally Posted by LadyJdm

well everyone has a ka dohc,rb20, or sr20, i want to be alittle different in my engine tuning

I know of only 1 other member on Zilvia that has a Chevy small block Gen 0/1.

Mine has been running for 2 years now and I don't know where he is on his.

Another option if you want to be different.

[Katsumbhong]

Basic Bolt ons would be the easiest way to get a little more torque.

*4-2-1 headers vs 4-1 headers like BBP Headers
*Intake
*Exhaust system

The sure-fire way is turbocharge your car... but you'll be needing to upgrade the fuel system and you'll need to tune the ECU, along with needing to run oil feed and drain lines.

KA engines are torquey vs. NA SR engines from my experience


Instead of concentrating on power (if you are planning to autocross the car or take it to the track), concentrate on suspension, coilovers, adjustable arms, Wheels, and good tires.

[LadyJdm]

well i have a apexi ws noir exhaust system,megan coilovers and a injen intake system also, but i will look for headers, ive been meaning to go buy some =)

and oo thanx bout the white bunny special!! i will read up on that! sounds intresting ^_^

[NismoDriverS13]

i think the KA24e's are a hard engine to work on, too much shit in the wrong or just can't reach most parts.

think about running itb's (individual throttle bodies) that's a nice bolt-on too.

i knew a guy with itb's on ka24e and it sounded, performed, and looked SICK!!!

[240sxrb25]

cant reach most part???!!
what ka24e's are you wokring on?

my ka24e 240 car is a dream to work on compared to my rb25 240

[LadyJdm]

oo ive seen a some nice throttle bodies on dual cams, and yeah single cam motors are hard, i had to replace my starter and alternator and its way harder on a single cam then a dual cam cause everything is so jam packed! >_<

but i will put that on my list as well about the throttle bodies, i totally forgot bout them!

[ericcastro]

The KA24e is actually the engine of choice for building all motor KA's.

The KA will be more torque than an SR, and street legal.

whats your suspension?

suspension will make you faster.
track time will make you faster.
5-10 more hp on a KA with no track time isnt gonna do anything for your ability to drive fast and beat people.

go to the track with your money and learn the right way.
I ran a SOHC with shocks, springs and a VLSD for 2 years.
I used to chase down WRX's, S2000's, and even a DB9 at the track.
Its driver and seat time over power and engine.

see you at the track, right??

[S13 curtis]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

The KA24e is actually the engine of choice for building all motor KA's.

The KA will be more torque than an SR, and street legal.

Sry.Hell no a N/A single cam slammer will not make more TQ than a SR!

and it will be a slug with only a stock exhaust.

After i steped outa my car and got into my buddys Sohc KA i couldnt even tell the difference between 1/4 throttle and wide open.

it needs some boost to make decent power. with it all stock im pretty sure you will have to constantly kick the clutch jus to keep the tires turning over due to lack of power.but since u wanna go all motor JWT sell a cam for that motor and get headers and find a bigger throttle body if they make one for it.

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by S13 curtis

Sry.Hell no a N/A single cam slammer will not make more TQ than a SR!

and it will be a slug with only a stock exhaust.

After i steped outa my car and got into my buddys Sohc KA i couldnt even tell the difference between 1/4 throttle and wide open.

it needs some boost to make decent power. with it all stock im pretty sure you will have to constantly kick the clutch jus to keep the tires turning over due to lack of power.but since u wanna go all motor JWT sell a cam for that motor and get headers and find a bigger throttle body if they make one for it.

oh gawd dude, just stop.
Several of us with experience here have stated what your saying isnt true.
just stop.



And to the OP.
I wouldnt get a lightened flywheel for drift.
with the lower HP engines you want to have all the momentum and weight of that flywheel spinning so your clutch kicks are more effective.

good choice on the KA as a learner engine.
see you on the track and ask us KA guys out there for some advice. Its a little different in a KA car then a SR and we have certain tricks (especially for tandem).

[S13 curtis]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

oh gawd dude, just stop.
Several of us with experience here have stated what your saying isnt true.
just stop.

Ive worked on Ka-t's and rode in them so dont get my age confued with what i do. it is more wise for her to boost it after she gets a feel for it, and a NA ka dosent make more torque than a SR maybe u didnt see where i put that. it only makes more torque vs a na sr

[ManoNegra]

Originally Posted by LadyJdm

but i also have another question, my clutch is going out, and im wondering bout a new clutch? which is better for the buck?

if you're adamant on staying stock for a while
then I'd recommend the OEM Nissan, from the dealer, clutch
price is right and over many clutch jobs I've been involved in,
it still works the best.

Originally Posted by Rag

Research the "white bunny" clutch/flywheel/pressureplate setup. IIRC it is a decent improvement over stock clamping force by increasing the contact patch of the clutch. It's mainly composed of stock parts IIRC and will not break the bank. I have read it will also retain the stock pedal feel so daily driving will not be affected in the least. Hopefully someone with real word experience about this setup will chime in.

I already chimmed in early in this thread.
I have the set up on my S14
D21 flywheel and Exedy OEM clutch
search my posts about it for the details

but again, its a set up that retains OEM feel and lets you hold more torque, ideal for KA-T
in your case you don't seem to need it
my advice, again, is to stay stock for the time being

Consider doing the throwout bearing and pilot bushing while you're down there.

This is a given on any clutch job.

[g6civcx]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

The KA24e is actually the engine of choice for building all motor KA's.

Are you saying that the single cam is better than the twin KA cam for going NA?

[Rag]

I forgot to add one more piece of advice. It was given to me by a good friend of mine.

Learn as much as you can with a stock ka, it doesn't matter if it has one or two cams. Do not fear 3rd gear entries. Do not fear bouncing off the rev limiter. Do not fear clutch kicking through your firewall. Do not fear embarrassment for sucking on the track. You need to learn to take full advantage of ALL ~120whp in order to drift, there is no room for error and no room for pussies. Once you learn to make the most out of every ounce of torque and are able to do it consistently you will be ready to begin to add more expensive parts in order to gain more power.


DO NOT listen to all these fanboys telling you to swap or spend hundred if not thousands of dollars to turbo the engine. If your goal is to learn and perfect the tecnique of drift then you need to look no further because you have the perfect beginers engine sitting in your car. If your goal is to impress posers are carmeets or be an internet tough guy with big $$$ dumped into a car that will never see real track use.... by all means waste your money and time.

It has been proven time and time again that a stock KA is a GREAT platform to start with and the cheapest drift car to fund PERIOD.

I'm MORE than willing to help anyone with what i know if they are motivated to drift. If you have questions feel free to contact me.

Eric Castro and Jorge Castro drifting n/a ka tandems. Someday it WILL happen and it WILL be sweet hahaha.

Examples:

[Jacob'S13]

Originally Posted by Rag

I forgot to add one more piece of advice. It was given to me by a good friend of mine.

Learn as much as you can with a stock ka, it doesn't matter if it has one or two cams. Do not fear 3rd gear entries. Do not fear bouncing off the rev limiter. Do not fear clutch kicking through your firewall. Do not fear embarrassment for sucking on the track. You need to learn to take full advantage of ALL ~120whp in order to drift, there is no room for error and no room for pussies. Once you learn to make the most out of every ounce of torque and are able to do it consistently you will be ready to begin to add more expensive parts in order to gain more power.


DO NOT listen to all these fanboys telling you to swap or spend hundred if not thousands of dollars to turbo the engine. If your goal is to learn and perfect the tecnique of drift then you need to look no further because you have the perfect beginers engine sitting in your car. If your goal is to impress posers are carmeets or be an internet tough guy with big $$$ dumped into a car that will never see real track use.... by all means waste your money and time.

It has been proven time and time again that a stock KA is a GREAT platform to start with and the cheapest drift car to fund PERIOD.

I'm MORE than willing to help anyone with what i know if they are motivated to drift. If you have questions feel free to contact me.

Eric Castro and Jorge Castro drifting n/a ka tandems. Someday it WILL happen and it WILL be sweet hahaha.

hands down the best answer here.. i learned drifting in a AE85 SR5. got consistent with it then moved up to a GT-S. then moved up to a 240sx SR20

just all in your technique, and if you can drift a less hp car. imagine how easy it is to swing around a power drift car.

besides look at it this way... keiichi tsuchiya learn in a under power 86 corolla.

[NismoDriverS13]

^^ yea if u find any and there are extras, hook it up then!!! hehe.

yea, my hands are big and there is just too many effin wires, cramped up parts...... everytime i work on the car i get some great yoga exercises. LOL!

good luck with ur single slammer....hehe

[LadyJdm]

i have megan coilover 32 adjustables, im thinking bout a new setup tho, cause i bought the car with the megans and i want a much more smoother ride but can also be agressive also, and for me, i want to learn how to drift, not for competion but to just drift, i feel like i need more power, and i like doing things different than others also, and a built ka24e will be a great start!

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by LadyJdm

i have megan coilover 32 adjustables, im thinking bout a new setup tho, cause i bought the car with the megans and i want a much more smoother ride but can also be agressive also, and for me, i want to learn how to drift, not for competion but to just drift, ive touge in the canyons, and chase down bmws,s2ks,240s,and the ocasional subarus/lancers but for me, i feel like i need more power, and i like doing things different than others also, and a built ka24e will be a great start!

Well, it sounds like its time to come out to the track and learn to drift.
Like you are now, and alot of members, I started in the canyon and industrial areas.
But i really didnt learn shit till i started going to the track.
i learned more in 2 events of drifting then i had in an entire year on the touge.

FYI, talking in depth about street drifting or canyons is pretty much a no-no here.
we all may have a spirited drive from time to time, but we try and keep people on the track and above the ground.