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benefitx · 05-10-2007, 07:29 PM

nikeboy i love your car man...thanks alot to people who are helping..repping

benefitx · 05-10-2007, 07:30 PM

just need a hoist to get this going...i will probably make a build thread once engine is out

benefitx · 05-21-2007, 05:49 PM

finally got the engine out....its not a stand yet...its on a trolly kind of thing...take pics later

just need to start tearing her apart now...im taking bolts and bits out and putting them in plastic baggies and up in my room so they cant get misplaced...

Nikeboy355 · 05-21-2007, 10:40 PM

Good for you... You are going to thank yourself after this is done...
Let us know if you need advice...

benefitx · 05-21-2007, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikeboy355

Good for you... You are going to thank yourself after this is done...
Let us know if you need advice...

oh yeah i cant wait...if only there was a way to build it in my room because the garage is so messy...should i take intake/exhaust mani's off and the head off...and bring it up in pieces??

gotta240 · 05-21-2007, 11:07 PM

LABEL EVERYTHING....Yes, EVERYTHING... No matter how simple you think it is now, when you go to re-assemble you will be lost without labels...

Please do yourself a favor and buy a book on how to build an engine.. It will give you the essential basics to go from..

Also- Make sure you dont get oil/greasy finger prints all in the bearing journals or on the BACK of the bearings.. You want the mating serfaces to be clean and degreased.

benefitx · 05-22-2007, 04:53 AM

thanks for the info guys

nassin31spr · 05-22-2007, 05:03 AM

Labeling is great advice. Take a nice size box and put a box of ziploc bags and a sharpie marker in there and write on the bag what the bolts are and where they go. This will make putting it back together so much easier. Also take pictures. Step by step, different sides of the engine, engine bay, exc. It sucks when you find something at the end and cant figure out where it goes. Pics will save you so many headaches. Good luck on your rebuild.

benefitx · 05-22-2007, 01:23 PM

i have close to 40 bags now...this is what i got done with today

Took off the exhaust manifold along with the turbo
Took off intake manifold upper and lower
Took off all the heater and water hoses...
Took off alternator and brackets

Pretty much a shortblock now...

benefitx · 05-22-2007, 03:38 PM

WHAT do i do next? take off valve cover...take off oil squirters...take off sprockets and let the chain hang? then take off the cam's and then unbolt the headbolts and it comes off?? what happens to the chain??

Nikeboy355 · 05-22-2007, 03:56 PM

Take the valve cover off... take off the cams... and then take off the head...

Keep all the cam covers in order and loosen the head studs in order according to the FSM...

After the head is off, take apart the bottom end... And make sure you keep everything in order...

JDS Performance · 05-22-2007, 04:33 PM

Tearing down is the easy part!

You seriously need to get some Ziplok baggies and label them with all bolts/nuts etc
Or else you will end up loosing/missing/forget where the go syndrome!!

Also there are alot of things that need to be removed in a certian order to keep from breaking - stripping threads - breaking studs - warping etc - like some big ones would be the head - exhaust mainfold - cams etc

Get you a FSM and make it law! or you will be replacing more than bearings!

You can download whatever FSM you want from my site;
http://www.KA24DETDVD.org

benefitx · 05-22-2007, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikeboy355

Take the valve cover off... take off the cams... and then take off the head...

Keep all the cam covers in order and loosen the head studs in order according to the FSM...

After the head is off, take apart the bottom end... And make sure you keep everything in order...

i take off the sprockets first right? what happens to the chain??

benefitx · 05-22-2007, 05:06 PM

i cant find the order of removing the head bolts on the fsm...

HellonFire · 05-22-2007, 05:15 PM

Removing should go from Out to in. Alternating sides as you go. Also, do it in a couple stages.

It doesn't really matter what happens to the chain, becuase you are taking apart the whole motor. But if you aren't planning on doing that, all you have to do is ziptie a wrech to it, and flop it over the side. The oil pump has notches in it that won't let it skip time on the crank as long as you don't let it drop way down in there.

Tyler

benefitx · 05-22-2007, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDS Performance

Tearing down is the easy part!

You seriously need to get some Ziplok baggies and label them with all bolts/nuts etc
Or else you will end up loosing/missing/forget where the go syndrome!!

Also there are alot of things that need to be removed in a certian order to keep from breaking - stripping threads - breaking studs - warping etc - like some big ones would be the head - exhaust mainfold - cams etc

Get you a FSM and make it law! or you will be replacing more than bearings!

You can download whatever FSM you want from my site;
http://www.KA24DETDVD.org

lol i have like 40 ziplock baggies already and i havent even torn the motor down yet....12 baggies for the tranny bolts in order going clockwise lol...its going to be really organized...just need to know the steps...

benefitx · 05-22-2007, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellonFire

Removing should go from Out to in. Alternating sides as you go. Also, do it in a couple stages.

It doesn't really matter what happens to the chain, becuase you are taking apart the whole motor. But if you aren't planning on doing that, all you have to do is ziptie a wrech to it, and flop it over the side. The oil pump has notches in it that won't let it skip time on the crank as long as you don't let it drop way down in there.

Tyler

i do plan on taking the whole bottom end apart...not taking the head apart though

HellonFire · 05-22-2007, 05:17 PM

Its good to keep it organized. I don't anymore in bags, just put certain groups of bolts in different trays. But I've torn down my fair share. If you do it more, you'll learn.

Tyler

HellonFire · 05-22-2007, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benefitx

i do plan on taking the whole bottom end apart...not taking the head apart though

Well if you are taking off the oil pump, then dont worry about the chain. Let it drop down into the block. It won't matter becuase you will be able to get it when you pull the oil pump off.

Tyler

benefitx · 05-22-2007, 06:00 PM

so i do this next

Take off cam sprockets...ziptie the chain...

take off cam covers...remove cams

remove oil pump
remove water pump

unbolt head studs starting from the outside , alternating sides...

remove head...

turn engine over...remove oil pan
remove oil pickup...

HellonFire · 05-22-2007, 06:10 PM

No.. Just read the FSM.

Take off sprockets. Let chain fall.

Take of cam caps. Take out cams.

Take out chain tensioner.

Take out CAS.

Undo head bolts (Make sure in the right order or you can/will warp/crack your head)

Lift off head.

Then you can take off water pump, but it doesn't really effect anything.

Also, you can't take the oil pump off, until you pull the lower and upper oil pans, as a couple of the bolts are in there.

Tyler

benefitx · 05-22-2007, 06:28 PM

thanks alot tyler man...does it have to be at TDC?

HellonFire · 05-22-2007, 10:03 PM

No.

Tyler

benefitx · 05-23-2007, 10:41 AM

so i can just start tearing it apart even if its not at tdc...

HellonFire · 05-23-2007, 11:09 AM

I just said yes.

YOU ARE TAKING IT APART. Nothing matters. Everything will be coming off.

It can be TDC, TDL, TDR, as long as you don't try and take a piston out through the bottom or something you will be fine.

Tyler

benefitx · 05-23-2007, 11:12 AM

whats not take the piston out through the bottom?

HellonFire · 05-23-2007, 11:36 AM

LoL.. Try it.

Tyler

steve shadows · 05-23-2007, 11:41 AM

theres a lot of overwhelming nothing posts in this thread but ill say...

like JDS said

1. Get some plastic baggys and some note cards to match for labeling
2. Get a copy of the fsm from online.
3. If you can't read the fsm or can't find the bolt order and just need an additional tangible quick ref go buy a Haynes Manual for the 200sx usdm that came with the SR, I tore the page out and coppied it and just tape it in the gargae if i forget something.

steve shadows · 05-23-2007, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellonFire

LoL.. Try it.

Tyler

he can just remove the crank, drop the pistons good to go.

TDC doesnt matter once the head is off, unless your not removing the lower internals.

HellonFire · 05-23-2007, 11:44 AM

No he can't.

#1 they will hit the oil squirters. And #2, I'm 99% sure it still won't come out the bottom even with those removed.

Tyler

05-22-2007, 05:03 AM	#38
nassin31spr Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: clay town NC Age: 44 Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Labeling is great advice. Take a nice size box and put a box of ziploc bags and a sharpie marker in there and write on the bag what the bolts are and where they go. This will make putting it back together so much easier. Also take pictures. Step by step, different sides of the engine, engine bay, exc. It sucks when you find something at the end and cant figure out where it goes. Pics will save you so many headaches. Good luck on your rebuild. __________________ *"Home is where the armor is"*

05-22-2007, 04:33 PM	#42
JDS Performance Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 3,127 Trader Rating: (53) Feedback Score: 53 reviews	Tearing down is the easy part! You seriously need to get some Ziplok baggies and label them with all bolts/nuts etc Or else you will end up loosing/missing/forget where the go syndrome!! Also there are alot of things that need to be removed in a certian order to keep from breaking - stripping threads - breaking studs - warping etc - like some big ones would be the head - exhaust mainfold - cams etc Get you a FSM and make it law! or you will be replacing more than bearings! You can download whatever FSM you want from my site; http://www.KA24DETDVD.org __________________ http://www.240SXTECHDVDS.org http://www.JDSPerformanceTurbos.com

05-23-2007, 11:41 AM	#58
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	theres a lot of overwhelming nothing posts in this thread but ill say... like JDS said 1. Get some plastic baggys and some note cards to match for labeling 2. Get a copy of the fsm from online. 3. If you can't read the fsm or can't find the bolt order and just need an additional tangible quick ref go buy a Haynes Manual for the 200sx usdm that came with the SR, I tore the page out and coppied it and just tape it in the gargae if i forget something. __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

05-10-2007, 07:29 PM	#31
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	nikeboy i love your car man...thanks alot to people who are helping..repping

05-10-2007, 07:30 PM	#32
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just need a hoist to get this going...i will probably make a build thread once engine is out

05-21-2007, 05:49 PM	#33
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	finally got the engine out....its not a stand yet...its on a trolly kind of thing...take pics later just need to start tearing her apart now...im taking bolts and bits out and putting them in plastic baggies and up in my room so they cant get misplaced...

05-21-2007, 10:40 PM	#34
Nikeboy355 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 44 Posts: 734 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Good for you... You are going to thank yourself after this is done... Let us know if you need advice...

05-21-2007, 11:07 PM	#36
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	LABEL EVERYTHING....Yes, EVERYTHING... No matter how simple you think it is now, when you go to re-assemble you will be lost without labels... Please do yourself a favor and buy a book on how to build an engine.. It will give you the essential basics to go from.. Also- Make sure you dont get oil/greasy finger prints all in the bearing journals or on the BACK of the bearings.. You want the mating serfaces to be clean and degreased.

05-22-2007, 04:53 AM	#37
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks for the info guys

05-22-2007, 01:23 PM	#39
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have close to 40 bags now...this is what i got done with today Took off the exhaust manifold along with the turbo Took off intake manifold upper and lower Took off all the heater and water hoses... Took off alternator and brackets Pretty much a shortblock now...

05-22-2007, 03:38 PM	#40
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	WHAT do i do next? take off valve cover...take off oil squirters...take off sprockets and let the chain hang? then take off the cam's and then unbolt the headbolts and it comes off?? what happens to the chain??

05-22-2007, 03:56 PM	#41
Nikeboy355 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 44 Posts: 734 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Take the valve cover off... take off the cams... and then take off the head... Keep all the cam covers in order and loosen the head studs in order according to the FSM... After the head is off, take apart the bottom end... And make sure you keep everything in order...

05-22-2007, 05:06 PM	#44
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i cant find the order of removing the head bolts on the fsm...

05-22-2007, 05:15 PM	#45
HellonFire Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Age: 38 Posts: 740 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Removing should go from Out to in. Alternating sides as you go. Also, do it in a couple stages. It doesn't really matter what happens to the chain, becuase you are taking apart the whole motor. But if you aren't planning on doing that, all you have to do is ziptie a wrech to it, and flop it over the side. The oil pump has notches in it that won't let it skip time on the crank as long as you don't let it drop way down in there. Tyler

05-22-2007, 05:17 PM	#48
HellonFire Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Age: 38 Posts: 740 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Its good to keep it organized. I don't anymore in bags, just put certain groups of bolts in different trays. But I've torn down my fair share. If you do it more, you'll learn. Tyler

05-22-2007, 06:00 PM	#50
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so i do this next Take off cam sprockets...ziptie the chain... take off cam covers...remove cams remove oil pump remove water pump unbolt head studs starting from the outside , alternating sides... remove head... turn engine over...remove oil pan remove oil pickup...

05-22-2007, 06:10 PM	#51
HellonFire Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Age: 38 Posts: 740 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	No.. Just read the FSM. Take off sprockets. Let chain fall. Take of cam caps. Take out cams. Take out chain tensioner. Take out CAS. Undo head bolts (Make sure in the right order or you can/will warp/crack your head) Lift off head. Then you can take off water pump, but it doesn't really effect anything. Also, you can't take the oil pump off, until you pull the lower and upper oil pans, as a couple of the bolts are in there. Tyler

05-22-2007, 06:28 PM	#52
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks alot tyler man...does it have to be at TDC?

05-22-2007, 10:03 PM	#53
HellonFire Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Age: 38 Posts: 740 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	No. Tyler

05-23-2007, 10:41 AM	#54
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so i can just start tearing it apart even if its not at tdc...

05-23-2007, 11:09 AM	#55
HellonFire Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Age: 38 Posts: 740 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I just said yes. YOU ARE TAKING IT APART. Nothing matters. Everything will be coming off. It can be TDC, TDL, TDR, as long as you don't try and take a piston out through the bottom or something you will be fine. Tyler

05-23-2007, 11:12 AM	#56
benefitx Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: suwanee ga Posts: 670 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	whats not take the piston out through the bottom?

05-23-2007, 11:36 AM	#57
HellonFire Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Age: 38 Posts: 740 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	LoL.. Try it. Tyler

05-23-2007, 11:44 AM	#60
HellonFire Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Age: 38 Posts: 740 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	No he can't. #1 they will hit the oil squirters. And #2, I'm 99% sure it still won't come out the bottom even with those removed. Tyler