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MegasquirtCA · 09-11-2007, 09:50 PM

So I found out about this low cost wideband controller. Controller with Display comes out to about $65 plus $42 for the Bosch LSU 4.2 O2 sensor, than $16 for harness supplies or use the supplied terminals. Anyways I bought the cases for about $5. The kit offers datalogging as well and input to any standalone.

johngriff · 09-11-2007, 09:58 PM

Your DIY box looks alot better than i would have imagined!

Sweet!

MegasquirtCA · 09-11-2007, 10:04 PM

I went to radioshack and never knew they sold whats called "Project Enclosures" its cases made for PCB's and worked out perfectly for me.

Hopefully I'll be using it this week possibly thursday when I fix my downpipe.

chuy · 09-11-2007, 10:18 PM

MOre info please

MegasquirtCA · 09-11-2007, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuy

MOre info please

what would you like to know.

efrain240sx · 09-11-2007, 11:23 PM

I would like to know were I can get a this stuff

MegasquirtCA · 09-11-2007, 11:27 PM

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm

they sell unassembled and assembled, I can build them free of charge if people are interested.

bardabe · 09-11-2007, 11:39 PM

+1 for you, I'm going to try this sometime in a friend's car. ha ha

MegasquirtCA · 09-11-2007, 11:50 PM

Radioshack Part#

Display Case
Part# 270-1802
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

Board Case
Part# 270-1805
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

40mm Fan
Part# 273-240
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search

I recommend going with a 50mm fan or 60mm at the most and nothing bigger than 20mm width.

Something like this is perfect.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835104007

O3DigitalBath · 09-11-2007, 11:52 PM

seems cool, the DIY case would be nicer if the plug/wire was on the opposite side as the display instead of same side.

undesiredshoe · 09-11-2007, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegasquirtCA

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm

they sell unassembled and assembled, I can build them free of charge if people are interested.

So I would buy one and send it to you, you put it together, and ill pay you to send it to me?? What if it doesnt work?? Whats your email, I might be ordering one soon.

MegasquirtCA · 09-11-2007, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by undesiredshoe

So I would buy one and send it to you, you put it together, and ill pay you to send it to me?? What if it doesnt work?? Whats your email, I might be ordering one soon.

Well I'd only do it if we got 5 people. It would save money on shipping. I would be testing them before they left, and in the event if it doesnt work the dude is cool on doing refunds.

Just a little background on my electronic capabilities. I build Megasquirt ecu's.

jskateborders · 09-12-2007, 12:50 AM

How would you wire it up for an sr, since (or so ive heard) you have to have an sr o2 sensor, or do you just use an ecxess exhaust outlet, and get the bosch sensor. aslo what car did you do this for? What is the part number on the o2 sensor.
thanks

johngriff · 09-12-2007, 12:55 AM

If you put a wide band sensor in place of the OEM O2 you will just overheat it. The wideband needs to be mounted before the CAT, around under your knee to keep from overheating the sensor.

Welding Required for ANY wideband install.

MegasquirtCA · 09-12-2007, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jskateborders

How would you wire it up for an sr, since (or so ive heard) you have to have an sr o2 sensor, or do you just use an ecxess exhaust outlet, and get the bosch sensor. aslo what car did you do this for? What is the part number on the o2 sensor.
thanks

Like John said your gonna overheat the sensor which will cause false readings. Innovate recommends on Turbocharged motors that the wideband be placed 36 inches after the turbo.

This isn't really for permanent installation, dont forget Wideband O2 sensors DO NOT LIKE being rich all the time, if you run like a 12:1 AFR you'll destroy your sensor in a few months, and leaving it in and not turned on will destroy it even sooner.

But if you truly want the JAW kit can output a narrowband signal which you can feed directly to the stock ecu.

As for part number
VW Part#021906262B
Bosch# 17014

More info on the harness parts
http://14point7.com/JAW/JAW_FYI.htm

I tried to mimick the functionality of the Innovate LM-1 the only difference is mine is just smaller.

thejapino · 09-12-2007, 07:06 PM

Hey I pm'd you earlier about putting one together for me.

+1 for the idea for putting in a narrow band output as well

MegasquirtCA · 09-12-2007, 07:12 PM

Just to make it clear I'm not the one who designed the board, its a guy in Canada who did all the work, he sells kits and I in turn put them together for interested parties.

98koukile · 09-12-2007, 08:07 PM

So $107 total plus shipping?

chuy · 09-12-2007, 08:20 PM

Way dude 107 plus shipping Im in

Lucient · 09-12-2007, 09:14 PM

Some screen shots of the software and a better explanation of the features like data logging, sampling rate, and calibration would definitely sell me on this product. I didn't see any of the things I mentioned on your site. Your forum seemed pretty helpful also

MegasquirtCA · 09-12-2007, 09:22 PM

Let me do the price break down.

If 5 people are in and pay ahead it will cost

Board: $45
Display: $25

Harness Parts
Housing VW# 1J0-973-733 you need 1 $5.75
Terminals VW# 000-979-133-A you need 3 $3.59 Total $10.77
Grommet VW# 357-972-741-A you need 6 $0.29 Total $1.74
Total for harness $18.26

Display Case $2.69
Board Case $3.79
Total $6.48

Fan is about $3 from Newegg.

If I get 5 people knock off $5 so $70 turns to $65. knock off like another $5 because cost of shipping is saved since it all goes to me which is $10 I'll eat that cost.

$5 Priority Mail.

So total price is $102.74. Make it $110 you get everything what you see in the pic, also a harness thats not pictured. It connects to the O2 sensor. The Extra $8 is for tax, supplies, and extra shipping charges that may pop up.

O2 sensor is not included but can be easily purchased for about $44 shipped from Amazon.

MegasquirtCA · 09-12-2007, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucient

Some screen shots of the software and a better explanation of the features like data logging, sampling rate, and calibration would definitely sell me on this product. I didn't see any of the things I mentioned on your site. Your forum seemed pretty helpful also

Just to clear it up again, Im not the creator I'm just a consumer

I'm just offering assembly services because I know some people are uncomfortable soldering on PCB, it helps build up my portfolio.

Heres a video of the unit in use and it shows the software.

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW_WBO2_Display_Eli.wmv

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.wmv

If you wanna mess with the software, you can download it here.

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/Soft%20a...tup%201.13.exe

jskateborders · 09-12-2007, 09:35 PM

I will definitely do 110 for this thing

MegasquirtCA · 09-13-2007, 12:48 PM

Alright lets get a list going for the people that wanna get one for $110. I need 5 people for that price if not its gonna cost $125. This doesnt include sensor. I might pick up another set for a friend.

So far:
thejapino
jskateborders
Chuy
98koukile (unknown)
punxva

I'll start collecting money friday the 21, I'll either PM you guys or post on here where to send payment.

punxva · 09-13-2007, 03:41 PM

i'll most def. take one too, add me to that list man

MegasquirtCA · 09-14-2007, 01:11 PM

list has been updated.

thejapino · 09-14-2007, 03:55 PM

Looking forward!!

thejapino · 09-21-2007, 10:23 AM

Update? So is this still going down?

steve shadows · 09-21-2007, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegasquirtCA

Alright lets get a list going for the people that wanna get one for $110. I need 5 people for that price if not its gonna cost $125. This doesnt include sensor. I might pick up another set for a friend.

So far:
thejapino
jskateborders
Chuy
98koukile (unknown)
punxva

I'll start collecting money friday the 21, I'll either PM you guys or post on here where to send payment.

but can it data log

sorry if i missed that

MegasquirtCA · 09-21-2007, 01:10 PM

It can datalog, it has 3 inputs for datalogging. Its primitive as in no graphic display but it gets the job done. If you look at the first pic in my post you'll see at the bottom middle of the board it says Datalog with 3 tiny holes. You solder 1 wire for each hole, I believe the one with the number 1 to the left of it is for RPM.

I'll be more than glad to still do the assembly even if we dont get enough people.

09-11-2007, 09:50 PM	#1
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	My new Wideband (JAW) what ya guys think? So I found out about this low cost wideband controller. Controller with Display comes out to about $65 plus $42 for the Bosch LSU 4.2 O2 sensor, than $16 for harness supplies or use the supplied terminals. Anyways I bought the cases for about $5. The kit offers datalogging as well and input to any standalone.

09-11-2007, 09:58 PM	#2
johngriff Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 4,103 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: johngriff Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Your DIY box looks alot better than i would have imagined! Sweet! __________________ [email protected]

09-11-2007, 10:18 PM	#4
chuy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colorado some where Age: 47 Posts: 623 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	MOre info please __________________ Slide Happy

09-11-2007, 11:39 PM	#8
bardabe Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: SoCal Age: 34 Posts: 4,719 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: bardabe Feedback Score: 10 reviews	+1 for you, I'm going to try this sometime in a friend's car. ha ha __________________ Review Thread

09-12-2007, 12:55 AM	#14
johngriff Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 4,103 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: johngriff Feedback Score: 4 reviews	If you put a wide band sensor in place of the OEM O2 you will just overheat it. The wideband needs to be mounted before the CAT, around under your knee to keep from overheating the sensor. Welding Required for ANY wideband install. __________________ [email protected]

09-11-2007, 10:04 PM	#3
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I went to radioshack and never knew they sold whats called "Project Enclosures" its cases made for PCB's and worked out perfectly for me. Hopefully I'll be using it this week possibly thursday when I fix my downpipe.

09-11-2007, 11:23 PM	#6
efrain240sx Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: azusa ca Posts: 127 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would like to know were I can get a this stuff

09-11-2007, 11:27 PM	#7
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm they sell unassembled and assembled, I can build them free of charge if people are interested.

09-11-2007, 11:50 PM	#9
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Radioshack Part# Display Case Part# 270-1802 http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search Board Case Part# 270-1805 http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search 40mm Fan Part# 273-240 http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search I recommend going with a 50mm fan or 60mm at the most and nothing bigger than 20mm width. Something like this is perfect. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835104007

09-11-2007, 11:52 PM	#10
O3DigitalBath Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ~Orlando, FL Age: 39 Posts: 664 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	seems cool, the DIY case would be nicer if the plug/wire was on the opposite side as the display instead of same side.

09-12-2007, 12:50 AM	#13
jskateborders Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Age: 35 Posts: 1,258 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	How would you wire it up for an sr, since (or so ive heard) you have to have an sr o2 sensor, or do you just use an ecxess exhaust outlet, and get the bosch sensor. aslo what car did you do this for? What is the part number on the o2 sensor. thanks

09-12-2007, 07:06 PM	#16
thejapino Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The City By The Water - YEEE! Posts: 605 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hey I pm'd you earlier about putting one together for me. +1 for the idea for putting in a narrow band output as well __________________ WTB: 13kg springs! Eibach, Stance, or Swift.

09-12-2007, 07:12 PM	#17
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Just to make it clear I'm not the one who designed the board, its a guy in Canada who did all the work, he sells kits and I in turn put them together for interested parties.

09-12-2007, 08:07 PM	#18
98koukile Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Western Mass Age: 37 Posts: 949 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	So $107 total plus shipping? __________________ Just talking about cars, one at a time Horsepower sells cars torque wins races -Shelby

09-12-2007, 08:20 PM	#19
chuy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colorado some where Age: 47 Posts: 623 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Way dude 107 plus shipping Im in __________________ Slide Happy

09-12-2007, 09:14 PM	#20
Lucient Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 174 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Some screen shots of the software and a better explanation of the features like data logging, sampling rate, and calibration would definitely sell me on this product. I didn't see any of the things I mentioned on your site. Your forum seemed pretty helpful also

09-12-2007, 09:22 PM	#21
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Let me do the price break down. If 5 people are in and pay ahead it will cost Board: $45 Display: $25 Harness Parts Housing VW# 1J0-973-733 you need 1 $5.75 Terminals VW# 000-979-133-A you need 3 $3.59 Total $10.77 Grommet VW# 357-972-741-A you need 6 $0.29 Total $1.74 Total for harness $18.26 Display Case $2.69 Board Case $3.79 Total $6.48 Fan is about $3 from Newegg. If I get 5 people knock off $5 so $70 turns to $65. knock off like another $5 because cost of shipping is saved since it all goes to me which is $10 I'll eat that cost. $5 Priority Mail. So total price is $102.74. Make it $110 you get everything what you see in the pic, also a harness thats not pictured. It connects to the O2 sensor. The Extra $8 is for tax, supplies, and extra shipping charges that may pop up. O2 sensor is not included but can be easily purchased for about $44 shipped from Amazon.

09-12-2007, 09:35 PM	#23
jskateborders Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Age: 35 Posts: 1,258 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I will definitely do 110 for this thing

09-13-2007, 12:48 PM	#24
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Alright lets get a list going for the people that wanna get one for $110. I need 5 people for that price if not its gonna cost $125. This doesnt include sensor. I might pick up another set for a friend. So far: thejapino jskateborders Chuy 98koukile (unknown) punxva I'll start collecting money friday the 21, I'll either PM you guys or post on here where to send payment. Last edited by MegasquirtCA; 09-13-2007 at 07:29 PM..

09-14-2007, 01:11 PM	#26
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	list has been updated.

09-14-2007, 03:55 PM	#27
thejapino Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The City By The Water - YEEE! Posts: 605 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Looking forward!! __________________ WTB: 13kg springs! Eibach, Stance, or Swift.

09-21-2007, 10:23 AM	#28
thejapino Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The City By The Water - YEEE! Posts: 605 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Update? So is this still going down? __________________ WTB: 13kg springs! Eibach, Stance, or Swift.

09-21-2007, 01:10 PM	#30
MegasquirtCA Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	It can datalog, it has 3 inputs for datalogging. Its primitive as in no graphic display but it gets the job done. If you look at the first pic in my post you'll see at the bottom middle of the board it says Datalog with 3 tiny holes. You solder 1 wire for each hole, I believe the one with the number 1 to the left of it is for RPM. I'll be more than glad to still do the assembly even if we dont get enough people.