oil filter adapters that REPLACE OE shit (KA)

[holemilk00]

I'm in for this, solves so so so many problems for me as far as cleaning up my engine bay.

[NemeGuero]

Originally Posted by projectRDM

For the love of all holy you guys, do NOT reuse your OE sender. It'd be sad to get such a nice piece like this and cover it with leaky oil in a week.

Buy a real gauge, use it. Throw the OE junk in the trash.

I was just concerned with tripping the low oil light.

[orion::S14]

^^^ It stays off if you disconnect the sensor.

(Sensor grounds out with low pressure, and trips the light. No connection, no ground, no light.)

- Brian

[240sxScores]

I would love to get one of these too if they ever get produced in larger numbers. But put me down for one.

[ManoNegra]

Been at the shop all day
but then again we always are
between swapping auto trannies between two cars
and battling a horde of black widows (we've found 5 so far)
we managed to work a little more on the block

I cut the remainder of the stock to size and
been flycutting them for the last couple of hours

have about 13-17 workable pieces
hope we don't loose to many during set up and mock this up

Originally Posted by NemeGuero

So what design does Mike have for the other side of the block?

How many ports does he have for fittings?

Is he going to leave the mid section (oil return) open or O-ring it like the OEM?
The AN banjo should be 3/8s NPT on the block side and -10AN for the other side.
They're like $5 a piece.

This sucks, Iwish I still had my machine shop.

we'll still sorting out the fittings issue
and it's being a bitch
don't know yet whether putting two straight 10AN fittings
perpendicular to the block is doable
since the oem put the oil in and out passages so close to
each other.
Mike seems to have an idea so we'll see.
May end up having to use fitting with bends
I hope not since these are usually more $$$

we'll do what we can this weekend and probably
go have a chat with Earl's on monday.

[NemeGuero]

So he started cutting before he completed the design?
Hmm..

I would not use 90 degree elbows. Why would that be necessary?
On the return part, you can have the oil dump in and channel back to the block.

[NemeGuero]

I think you should just tell me what CAD software programs you can use on your cnc and I'll throw him a design he could at least entertain the idea of constructing. haha

I DO have machining/design experience..

[projectRDM]

Originally Posted by orion::S14

^^^ It stays off if you disconnect the sensor.

(Sensor grounds out with low pressure, and trips the light. No connection, no ground, no light.)

- Brian

Thank you.

[ManoNegra]

The dimensions of 10AN fittings make it difficult to put them close to
each other.

We also have to make sure there'll be clearance with the surrounding bits
ie...starter, mount, intake support bracket, etc

we also need to make sure sensor senders are in the clear

we usually make parts in stages to solve issues with set ups
and tooling and whatnot
not unusual for us one bit to cut a detail while still working out another
this is usually the hardest most labor intensive and expensive part
of manufacturing things
once we figure out the puzzle then we can pretty much churn them out



anyhow, first lot deburred with block face detail
if you look closely you'll see we modified the original design
for better flow and clearance issues

cnc cutting



first batch deburred

[los_inc]

*cough* so who's gonna be in charge of the group buy *cough*
<333
-los

[DALAZ_68]

Originally Posted by ManoNegra

Problem is we don't have CAs lying around
nor do we plan on getting one anything soon.

sadly...


thats all i hear...

[ManoNegra]

Originally Posted by los_inc

*cough* so who's gonna be in charge of the group buy *cough*
<333
-los

no idea, too soon to tell

Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

sadly...
thats all i hear...

one of prices to pay for being unique...


well we've been staring at the block for a bit today
and tackling the fittings issue some more
we think we may be able tp keep both fittings
perpendicular to the face
we'll see

if anyone can post common pics of oil pressure sender units
and oil temp senders that would help a little

[Dousan_PG]

is it the head of the -10?
or the size of the hole (threaded part)

u doing 3/8 or 1/2 npt to -10?

such a great idea

[ManoNegra]

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

is it the head of the -10?
or the size of the hole (threaded part)

u doing 3/8 or 1/2 npt to -10?

such a great idea

the thread hole size isn't to big an issue
it's tight but they fit

it's the 10AN hex profile that's the problem
you need to clear that while it turns to thread
aswell as the 7/8" socket required to thread it

we are going to try using a 10AN orb adapter fitting
the ones with the o-ring



since it's a smaller depth than what a 3/8 or 1/5 NPT calls for
remember the oil filter threaded part sticks out ~1" so the
block needs to be at least that thick plus the fitting thread depth

also it's easier to tap a 3/4-16 thread than it is to tap tapered NPT ones

the oil flow channel isn't affected one bit

thinking 1/8 npt spaced 90 degrees from each for the ports
plenty of room for the sensor senders

hope to have something to show by tonight
*crosses fingers*

[96Turbo]

here's an example of an aftermarket pressure and temp sender

the big one is pressure, while the smaller one is temp

[NemeGuero]

Google and you can find a bunch of pics and details. I have a folder at work. I'll post the pics tomorrow.

I hope you left enough material to finish those pieces.

[NemeGuero]

[NemeGuero]

that center bore you have, is it going to be tight fit on the output shaft from the block? Do you have an o-ring groove?





Here is to show that all the sensors should be on the return port.. after the filter.

Yes I'm bitter. haha, but I did all my homework.
the -10AN fitting has a 3/8 NPT on the reverse side. I'm sure you guys know how to tap NPT threads?

[ManoNegra]

now I know why no one makes a KA oil block
the placing of the fittings is a bitch
it'd be so much easier to make one for the SR

we hit a block yesterday with tooling
and we're at work again today
so it'll be a little while till we get some free time to
spend on this again
i'll update then

[dirtdiggler666]

well when you finish this i want one

[bejota180sx]

hey, i didn't want to make a new thread with this stupid question... sorry to thread jack... but do you KA guys know of any reliable seller/company that makes a sandwich plate for KA... a friend of mine is looking for one that has a port for a turbo oil line...

thanks...

oh btw i tried to convince him to wait for when you guys finished that adapter but no go with his cheap ass...

[projectRDM]

Greddy sells a sandwich plate with extra ports in it. I'm using one for oil temp and pressure, with the oil feed in the OE block. There's knock-offs on Ebay but one of the ports is a 3/8" so you need to make a reducer bushing by tapping/threading a step down into it.

Could you guys increase the outer dimensions a bit to be able to fit both lines more comfortably? I figure once the base is sealed with a flange you can enlarge the rest of the body to accept more ports.

[awesomenick]

What about on of these? Nice idea. I might pick one up if I can afford it.

[ManoNegra]

Originally Posted by NemeGuero

that center bore you have, is it going to be tight fit on the output shaft from the block? Do you have an o-ring groove?

we're planning on adding the groove and o-ring for proper sealing.

the -10AN fitting has a 3/8 NPT on the reverse side. I'm sure you guys know how to tap NPT threads?

That's just one style of fittings.
AN fittings can have just about anything on the other side.
hell, we could even make our own custom ones
again, reason why we're going to try using the fitting I mentioned is because the hole needed isn't as deep as the 3/8 NPT one.
And yes, we know how to tap NPT threads.

Originally Posted by projectRDM

Could you guys increase the outer dimensions a bit to be able to fit both lines more comfortably? I figure once the base is sealed with a flange you can enlarge the rest of the body to accept more ports.

We'll offset the placement of the fittings to make sure they clear.
We'll also check the rest of the clearance issues once we have a prototype
and revise whatever needs be.
If this doesn't work or looks like ass we may scratch this design
and try one that uses one or two 90 degree fittings
should help with clearance issues but would be more $$$.

[NemeGuero]

NO 90 DEGREE FITTINGS!!

And ya, do what Russ is saying about opening it up. I had enough clearance in my cad files. What Diameter are you using for the main ports?

[240sxScores]

Any updates on this project?

[irax]

Originally Posted by NemeGuero

NO 90 DEGREE FITTINGS!!

And ya, do what Russ is saying about opening it up. I had enough clearance in my cad files. What Diameter are you using for the main ports?

what about a 45 degree fitting?

[ManoNegra]

Haven't forgotten about this
but it's the holidays and we're super busy
with our own personal broken down POSs and work.

Turns out the threaded part that comes out the KA block unscrews
which allows for a much greater deal of flexibility in the design -
this means that the oil block can be a smaller profile and won't
need angled fittings

just finished getting my friend's daily on the road again
so I'm hoping we can squeeze some time during the holidays to
work on this again.

[i need tires]

nice! read this whole thread, i really really need one! about to break down the KA in prep for turbo this would make things a lot easier.

[FaLKoN240]

I've got a ghetto T fitting on my KA-T right now that I want to replace for reliability and consistency...

Shit sucks.