What Is A Easy Way To Gain Torque In A Ka24E Sohc Engine???

[ericcastro]

in second gear right?
but if your clutch kicking, your RPM's are much lower to make wheel spin.
I have been drifting my SOHC before you got your license

[shiftdrift]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

in second gear right?
but if your clutch kicking, your RPM's are much lower to make wheel spin.
I have been drifting my SOHC before you got your license

yeah, 2nd gear, 3rd gear ka's just fall on their face and say fuck me. i clutch kick a bit, feint a bit. never e-brake. alright, your point?

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by shiftdrift

........ alright, your point?

Your just talking.
Everything I say, you try and shoot down.
So I'm just letting you know you don't know it all.



To the OP, if you REALLY want to build a KA engine, talk to Mario (let5lide), he has a built KA and several in the garage.
And with all his building, cams,headers, exhaust,intake and a tune, he still hasn't gained 25HP.

[DALAZ_68]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

To the OP, if you REALLY want to build a KA engine, talk to Mario (let5lide), he has a built KA and several in the garage.
And with all his building, cams,headers, exhaust,intake and a tune, he still hasn't gained 25HP.

still though, he does great work and has a pretty car

[shiftdrift]

nah, just discussing man, i'm not trying to shoot anyone down. you seem like a cool guy because for one, your still rocking the sohc. i know i don't know it all, i don't claim to, i stated that is my opinion/my friend did it. i have a LOT to learn and try to do that daily. i do all my own car work so i can teach myself shit. reading stuff only gets you so far afterall.

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by shiftdrift

nah, just discussing man, i'm not trying to shoot anyone down. you seem like a cool guy because for one, your still rocking the sohc. i know i don't know it all, i don't claim to, i stated that is my opinion/my friend did it. i have a LOT to learn and try to do that daily. i do all my own car work so i can teach myself shit. reading stuff only gets you so far afterall.

Thats a great attitude, and its great your drifting a KA. at least for now. its a easier engine to learn grip and drift on because it doesnt have the turbo issues and takes more work.
But you will be better in the end because of it.

Your homies numbers are off though, trust us.
25 hp in a KA that easy?
that would put it at about 165hpish.
S13 SR's are 180 hp.

If it was that easy, everyone would do it.




To the OP,
there are small things you can do but the engine will no longer be smog legal.
I have an electric fan from a Ford Taurus.
I have no EGR crap at all.
Got rid of the water lines that heat the intake.
got rid of AC.
It all makes a feelable difference.

[sickstatus]

I was straight pipe with a 3inch tanabe exhaust/downpipr for a lil bit. Sold exhuast n put stock exhuast with the downpipe. It honestly felt fast n pulled harder. My friends drove it n noticed a difference also.


Hi Lilly!! Ur funny. Lolol. See u tomorow.

[s13 @ fullboost]

Come over let me adjust your timing for you. I will advance it a few degrees it will run cooler, more power, and better MPG. and if you find a header for it I will slap it on for you. I would look at some pacemakers. Just lmk you have my number see you tomorrow night at the meet.

[shiftdrift]

yeah, i'm sliding the ka till summertime or when it blows up and then doing a ca swap. just going small build, sr t25 @ 12lbs, front mount, manifold, downpipe, you know, small stuff. not enough to worry about tuning that much so i'll just use a safc and fpr should net me somewhere between 220-240whp and around the same tq. plenty to slide on. i had an na sr20de s13 and it was gimp. real gimp.

[sickstatus]

we can do that for her for free hasan. stop trying to hustle my cousin lolol

[LadyJdm]

we can do that for her for free hasan. stop trying to hustle my cousin lolol

haha thats funny! =) but sorry guys i cant come on wesenday! working till 11pm!! T_T

and wow thats alot of good ideas from everyone,but yes my question is
"HOW TO GAIN TORQUE IN A SOHC"

i would think twice about a dohc but i want to learn 1 step at a time, and money isnt my issue, because its a passion<3
but i will turbo my car, that is the easiest ideal way to gain that boost easy, but i do want to see if i can make a sohc engine a monster! but of course i want to see if i can gain as much power as i can on all motor, and if it doesnt cut out then ill turbo!<3

and yes! i do need to go to the tracks, ive been praticing, but i need to go on the track and learn more from other experienced drives now and find the right setup&style for drifting.

[joshchewuhh]

the sohc is a great motor to start out drifting with, you can squeeze out power by car control.

Daily/Drifted on a sohc for about a year drifted just fine.

[LadyJdm]

thats what im saying, i mean its a smaller motor then a dohc and sr / rb etc but it has alot of potenial, everytime i go out to meet in los angles everyone trips on my car cause i have a sohc and i drift just as fine as anyone else ive seen with a sr/rb/dohc<3

and plus i save more mpg then most hehe ^______________^

[foreverdark]

LadyJDM

Listen to advice ericCastro has to say. I started off with a KA24DE around June last year and have been drifting since then. It had some headers, intake, and 2.5"exhaust. I pretty much maxed out how far I could go with this motor NA. If you plan on tracking it I suggest you work on your suspension setup. It makes all the difference in the world. I had my last event with the motor about 3 weeks ago and am now moving on to a RB.

[Jacob'S13]

to the top. just get the simple stuff. iono why its always a battle field in every thread here in zilvia. but w/e it dont bother me. just takes longer to read the more important stuff.

anyways. there no cheap way to gain hp/torque. you gotta pay to play. but if your keeping your SOHC then just go with bolt-ons.

Intake
header
full cat back exhaust
delete your EGR and all that emission stuff= FREE unless you get busted lol
E-fan

then if you want more and need more
fuel injector
fuel rail
FPR
light flywheel
stage 1 clutch will work jst fine

then maybe a VLSD or a welded diff so you can put all that power to both rear wheels

goodluck

[Devens240]

this has to be fake

[I LUV MY S13]

Originally Posted by ericcastro

it is your opinion.
I have been running a SOHC for a few years now and owned my first S13 when you were about 6.

you will gain about 3 HP on the VERY top end running that 3" exhaust.
But you will loose that much on the bottom, where the torque is, where your canyon RPM's are, where your drift RPM's are.
You can feel a HUGE difference on the bottom end when you go back from shitty 3" exhaust with a N1 muffler, to stock.

i can vouch for this...ran 3 inch piping with a 4 inch tip,k went back to stock for about a week and it felt better! i honestly thought i was tripping or something, but going back to stock made little to no difference..i have a fidanza aluminum flywheel, injen intake, exedy clutch, short shifter, no ac/pulley, wlabro fuel pump...my sohc whooped on my friends s14 dohc with 87k on it..im at 204k miles and still running strong

[redline racer510]

I say the best way to increase torque is to go with intake header and exhaust and get it tuned to squeeze a little bit more power out of it.

[hOngsterr]

Originally Posted by shiftdrift

but we are talking about the ka, not other engines. i'm just saying, i/e will give you 25 extra ponies. my friend actually dynoed his sohc after doing what i mentioned and had 25whp more. don't ask forthe sheet,because this was 5 years ago....don't get all butthurt. it's just my opinion after all.

lol 5 years ago was when you were 14,

Originally Posted by ericcastro

To the OP, if you REALLY want to build a KA engine, talk to Mario (let5lide), he has a built KA and several in the garage.
And with all his building, cams,headers, exhaust,intake and a tune, he still hasn't gained 25HP.

i talked to mario about building my DE, i think he must of felt that
i was just a kid talking outta my ass about him
building me a KA-T
=/

[SochBAT]

Well, basics.

If you want peppy, 2.25" piping.
Drop the AC. Deadweight. Cooling is for bitches.
Crank Pulley. MUST HAVE.
Aluminum driveshaft!
Non-restrictive Intake (cone, dome, sock)
grippy tires.

[Rag]

My checklist/formula for drifting an n/a ka24e:

-before you even get knee deep do a compression test, ensure you have a worthwhile engine.

-plugs, wires, cap, rotor. basically any maintenance drive-ability crap

-a stock clutch is fine, ensure it's engaging and holding properly is all

-50-80psi in rear tires depending on surface

-PROPER ALIGNMENT!!!!!!! i run max negative camber front, zero camber rear, 8.5 degrees caster, zero toe front and rear

-solid/stiffer mounts in drivetrain. My way of explaining this is movement=use of kinetic energy. No slop in engine mounts, control arms, trans and subframe will transfer energy through the drivetrain will less loss

-coilovers help make the most of your power, or lack of in this case. I personally run the rear full stiff and front almost full soft.

-differential helps immensely (IMHO=2way>welded>shimed-VLSD>1.5way>VLSD)

-shed any unessential weight possible. I took it a bit far with my car but my goal was to learn as fast as i could and get the most out of my event fee.

-lighten the rotating mass. lightweight wheels, electric fan and consider an aluminum driveshaft

-personally i do not like lightweight flywheels on a n/a ka24e only because you will be clutch kicking and the inertia a stock flywheel carries can/will help you keep those revs higher when you drop the clutch. this is mere personal preference

-I striped the bay of ALL emissions for reliability. Last thing i want to do at the track is chase vacuum leaks or deal with crap int eh way while working in the engine bay.

-run small tire/wheel combo in the rear in most surfaces. i run 195/50r15 rear. 215/50r15 front.

-breathing easy= header, short ram intake, exhaust, test pipe, remove butterflies in intake manifold

-run premium and advance timing, proper care must be taken here to ensure drive-ability is not sacrificed

-my 4.36 final drive is BY FAR my favorite modification to my drift car. The ability to use 3rd gear is vastly improved, although 2nd gear suffers a bit i do my best to enter as fast as i can to carry as much momentum.

-track time

-track time

-track time

-TRACK TIME, i cannot stress this enough. You learn exponentially faster on the track compared to the street. Stay off the streets, by drifting anywhere but legal lots/tracks you are stabbing the entire community in the back.




I'm no prodigy, I have a lot to learn but i give you my advice. Hopefuly it helps others. BTW, sorry for the grammar, firefox spellcheck has been iffy hahaha

[usdm180sx]

Why even fuck around, turbo that bitch right charlie?

[essforteen]

Yea i wouldnt bother trying to get power NA its too expensive and difficult!
While turboing your SOHC you will get more power than a stock sr, with only 8lbs of boost.
You dont need built internals just MAKE SURE you have a GOOOD tune and injectors to compensate.
A buddy of mine has built a SOHC-T and has been running strong scince early summer!
Which ive helped.
But best advice is to learn with what you have and when you feal the power is really
limmiting your improvement then think about going turbo!! Best BAngg for your BUcK!!
Here is the build of my buddy's car!
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/252559-my-ka24e-t-build.html
which now has been sold to Charlie!!

[JaeTea]

Unless you're going to turbo it..get it the fuck out.

[Couped_up'd]

I got away to get alot of torque out of it.

Install a LS1

[ericcastro]

Originally Posted by Rag

My checklist/formula for drifting an n/a ka24e:

-before you even get knee deep do a compression test, ensure you have a worthwhile engine.

-plugs, wires, cap, rotor. basically any maintenance drive-ability crap

-a stock clutch is fine, ensure it's engaging and holding properly is all

-50-80psi in rear tires depending on surface

-PROPER ALIGNMENT!!!!!!! i run max negative camber front, zero camber rear, 8.5 degrees caster, zero toe front and rear

-solid/stiffer mounts in drivetrain. My way of explaining this is movement=use of kinetic energy. No slop in engine mounts, control arms, trans and subframe will transfer energy through the drivetrain will less loss

-coilovers help make the most of your power, or lack of in this case. I personally run the rear full stiff and front almost full soft.

-differential helps immensely (IMHO=2way>welded>shimed-VLSD>1.5way>VLSD)

-shed any unessential weight possible. I took it a bit far with my car but my goal was to learn as fast as i could and get the most out of my event fee.

-lighten the rotating mass. lightweight wheels, electric fan and consider an aluminum driveshaft

-personally i do not like lightweight flywheels on a n/a ka24e only because you will be clutch kicking and the inertia a stock flywheel carries can/will help you keep those revs higher when you drop the clutch. this is mere personal preference

-I striped the bay of ALL emissions for reliability. Last thing i want to do at the track is chase vacuum leaks or deal with crap int eh way while working in the engine bay.

-run small tire/wheel combo in the rear in most surfaces. i run 195/50r15 rear. 215/50r15 front.

-breathing easy= header, short ram intake, exhaust, test pipe, remove butterflies in intake manifold

-run premium and advance timing, proper care must be taken here to ensure drive-ability is not sacrificed

-my 4.36 final drive is BY FAR my favorite modification to my drift car. The ability to use 3rd gear is vastly improved, although 2nd gear suffers a bit i do my best to enter as fast as i can to carry as much momentum.

-track time

-track time

-track time

-TRACK TIME, i cannot stress this enough. You learn exponentially faster on the track compared to the street. Stay off the streets, by drifting anywhere but legal lots/tracks you are stabbing the entire community in the back.

I'm no prodigy, I have a lot to learn but i give you my advice. Hopefuly it helps others. BTW, sorry for the grammar, firefox spellcheck has been iffy hahaha

Best post here.
a combination of all us with true SOHC track experinece combined and more.
you good sir, receive this.

[DALAZ_68]

Originally Posted by Rag

My checklist/formula for drifting an n/a ka24e:

-before you even get knee deep do a compression test, ensure you have a worthwhile engine.

-plugs, wires, cap, rotor. basically any maintenance drive-ability crap

-a stock clutch is fine, ensure it's engaging and holding properly is all

-50-80psi in rear tires depending on surface

-PROPER ALIGNMENT!!!!!!! i run max negative camber front, zero camber rear, 8.5 degrees caster, zero toe front and rear

-solid/stiffer mounts in drivetrain. My way of explaining this is movement=use of kinetic energy. No slop in engine mounts, control arms, trans and subframe will transfer energy through the drivetrain will less loss

-coilovers help make the most of your power, or lack of in this case. I personally run the rear full stiff and front almost full soft.

-differential helps immensely (IMHO=2way>welded>shimed-VLSD>1.5way>VLSD)

-shed any unessential weight possible. I took it a bit far with my car but my goal was to learn as fast as i could and get the most out of my event fee.

-lighten the rotating mass. lightweight wheels, electric fan and consider an aluminum driveshaft

-personally i do not like lightweight flywheels on a n/a ka24e only because you will be clutch kicking and the inertia a stock flywheel carries can/will help you keep those revs higher when you drop the clutch. this is mere personal preference

-I striped the bay of ALL emissions for reliability. Last thing i want to do at the track is chase vacuum leaks or deal with crap int eh way while working in the engine bay.

-run small tire/wheel combo in the rear in most surfaces. i run 195/50r15 rear. 215/50r15 front.

-breathing easy= header, short ram intake, exhaust, test pipe, remove butterflies in intake manifold

-run premium and advance timing, proper care must be taken here to ensure drive-ability is not sacrificed

-my 4.36 final drive is BY FAR my favorite modification to my drift car. The ability to use 3rd gear is vastly improved, although 2nd gear suffers a bit i do my best to enter as fast as i can to carry as much momentum.

-track time

-track time

-track time

-TRACK TIME, i cannot stress this enough. You learn exponentially faster on the track compared to the street. Stay off the streets, by drifting anywhere but legal lots/tracks you are stabbing the entire community in the back.




I'm no prodigy, I have a lot to learn but i give you my advice. Hopefuly it helps others. BTW, sorry for the grammar, firefox spellcheck has been iffy hahaha

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[LadyJdm]

thanx rag! thats alot of good info, and the info i want!

***PLEASE EVERYONE STOP TELLING ME TO SWAP MY MOTOR I'M ASKING TO TUNE A KA24E SOHC ENGINE, NOT TO FIND MORE POWER AND GO CRAZY, IF I DID, I WOULD OF DONE IT ALREADY AND ASKED ABOUT A FORUM TO DO A DOHC OR A RB20 Or OF GONE TURBO FORUM INSTEAD, IF YOU THINK IM WASTING MY TIME WITH THE MOTOR

***THEN THIS ISNT THE FORUM FOR YOU TO POST ON***

And I THINK YOU DONT CARE AS MUCH AS TO LEARN TO DRIVE THEN JUST GO CRAZY WITH POWER AND NOT LEARNING BOUT YOUR CAR***


and for my car i have a injen intake in the engine, and everything is stock besides coilovers,suspension,ghutted out,excedy stage 1 clutch,all the sway/strut/engine/trunk bars you can think of, and i have a 2way kazz lsd,I bought this car from a good friend of my cousins, hes REALLY good at drifting and the most unbelievealbe stunts! and i trust about hes quotes about how to really drive your car, then show it off and not know how to control it at all, ive seen people who have rb20s turbo and they cant handle a sohc engine while drifting, so that told me i had to learn step by step to gain the most experience then most people. and i want to learn to drift, not drag people........

[S13 curtis]

Originally Posted by Ben G

install rb... torque complete

I lol'd...

[Drift N Dragg]

Originally Posted by LadyJdm

thanx rag! thats alot of good info, and the info i want!

***PLEASE EVERYONE STOP TELLING ME TO SWAP MY MOTOR I'M ASKING TO TUNE A KA24E SOHC ENGINE, NOT TO FIND MORE POWER AND GO CRAZY, IF I DID, I WOULD OF DONE IT ALREADY AND ASKED ABOUT A FORUM TO DO A DOHC OR A RB20 FORUM INSTEAD, IF YOU THINK IM WASTING MY TIME WITH THE MOTOR I THINK YOU DONT CARE AS MUCH AS TO LEARN TO DRIVE THEN JUST GO CRAZY WITH POWER AND NOT LEARNING BOUT YOUR CAR***


and for my car i have a injen intake in the engine, and everything is stock besides coilovers,suspension,ghutted out,excedy stage 1 clutch,all the sway/strut/engine/trunk bars you can think of, and i have a 2way kazz lsd, i want to learn to drift, not drag......

I think I love you ....

And, glad you are sticking to your guns and doing the ENGINE YOU WANT... It all matters on you, not the Scene People.. If you can rock the Crap out of a KA24E, then by all means Go for it...