The HISTORY OF ZILVIA/ Geopolitical Analysis of Silvia culture

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by Future240

I did not know that. I thought VQ's hated boost. I kind of like the idea of a G37 pushing 500hp. I hate the vq sound though...........

"Hate boost" is kinda relative... The general consensus is that DE's safe limit is at 400whp. Rev-ups @ 450whp. 3.5L HR's @ 500whp & 3.7L HR's @ 550hp. I dunno, I'm just not super impressed with that output when it's got soooo much more displacement over an SR or over competitive 4 bangers. Plus, I wouldn't wanna recreate a Z32TT-like nightmare of an engine bay. N/A VQ's are nice. Boosted? I guess a supercharged or single turbo rear-mounted setup might not be too bad, but I just think there are better options available. I4 or I6 turbos for me.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I dunno, I'm just not super impressed with that output when it's got soooo much more displacement over an SR or over competitive 4 bangers.

The displacement is not the issue. It's the weak ass internals and head gaskets.

These are engines built for Altimas, Nissan never intended to have them see boost. It's a bean counters dream.

Strong factory guts is what makes legendary engines like the 4G63, 2JZ and LS-family.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by Corbic

The displacement is not the issue. It's the weak ass internals and head gaskets.

These are engines built for Altimas, Nissan never intended to have them see boost. It's a bean counters dream.

Strong factory guts is what makes legendary engines like the 4G63, 2JZ and LS-family.

Bingo. Precisely why I've never been impressed with any VQ engine. Weak factory guts with all that displacement is such a let down. I will admit to being very curious about the VQ30DET though.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Bingo. Precisely why I've never been impressed with any VQ engine. Weak factory guts with all that displacement is such a let down. I will admit to being very curious about the VQ30DET though.

Actually the internals on the HR were and are quit stout. It's a lot different than previous gen VQ's.
It's pretty much a redesign with Turbocharing in mind.

Plus honestly DE VQ's were very sturdy engines in NA form the just were not built for turbocharging. I have done the research years ago.

Oh and just for the KA naysayers . Fuck the KA is actually not that weak internally it came with piston oil squirters stock. Something you only see usually on a turbo engine like the SR. Also the head on the DE happens to flow quite well. I should also add that all stock headgasket are weak and fact is with a good headgasket and proper fuel tune KA's can hold up well to Turbocharging.

Oh no blasphemy he is dispelling common myths about KA's like they were truck engines when actually they came out in Cars before Nissan ever stuck them in a truck.

Ya if we are going to go old school lets get real up in here with once again dispelling old school myths that were dispelled long ago by the likes of T.Y. and Robthe Chef who ran Turbo KA's or how about our own Sil13sx aka Jon H who autocrosses a Turbo KA and has for years!

how's that for throwing it down old school! lol

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Oh and just to call Corbic out on his BS . Fuck the KA is actually not that weak internally it came with piston oil squirters stock. Something you only see usually on a turbo engine like the SR. l!

When did I knock the KA? My first built engine was a KA24DE.


Mustang 5.0 has piston oil squirters.... ZING

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

When did I knock the KA? My first built engine was a KA24DE.


Mustang 5.0 has piston oil squirters.... ZING

Excuse me for misconstrued actions,edited now.I thought you were talking about the KA in simmodes quote of you.

Oh and good one on the Stang. I seriously so want to like the new 2015-2016 Mustang but damn Ford that fucking tall hood front end just throws it off great headlight,girl design but damn just to tall . The rest of the car looks great.
Kinda like what GM managed to with the rear of newest Vette. Come on Detriot so close yet so classic fumble.


I remember Raretrick hehehehehe.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Actually the internals on the HR were and are quit stout. It's a lot different than previous gen VQ's.
It's pretty much a redesign with Turbocharing in mind.

Plus honestly DE VQ's were very sturdy engines in NA form the just were not built for turbocharging. I have done the research years ago.

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I know the HR is stout in comparison to the DE's, but I'm still not impressed by their output under boost. But I dunno... Comparing it to the much smaller and vastly more efficient F20C is probably warping my perspective. 500hp (HR) isn't bad at all really. But when I think that that is the limit of a modern 3.5L... Meh.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by simmode1

I know the HR is stout in comparison to the DE's, but I'm still not impressed by their output under boost. But I dunno... Comparing it to the much smaller and vastly more efficient F20C is probably warping my perspective. 500hp (HR) isn't bad at all really. But when I think that that is the limit of a modern 3.5L... Meh.

Once again, that is not "the limit". That is the limit of the stock rods and pistons.

As DrifFreaq said, the heads flow amazingly and the engine is stupid light.

It's not like they bust rockers, drop IMS bearings, suffer from porosity, core shifts or split blocks.

F20C blows in comparison to the K24. Yes, a few guys made 500hp on a F20C, many more have popped them at far less too.

Your also comparing a Mini-Van engine to a highly developed and specialized performance engine from one of the greatest engine makers of all time.

One of the reasons the old 90's turbo engine are so well built was because of the computer technology back then. Manufactures relied on simple fuel tuning and primitive reliability calculating software.

It's much easier today to determine minimal strength requirements in order to reduce cost and weight. You no longer need massive rods, iron blocks and all that other crap.

Manufacturers are plenty capable of over buildings engines when they want, just look at the LS, VR and Hemis.

The new Ford 5.0 is actually a modernized 4.6. Similar crank, same fucking rods. Ford pulled an ass ton of weight out of it, made a lighter block that is just as strong as the once grossly expensive Teksid (aka Ferrari) block and used actual rods this time instead of chicken bones.

End result, 4.6 2v/4v explodes at 400hp. 5.0's have seen 600-650hp. Rods once again being the limiter. The old FSB 302 would split in half at 400hp.


I've also see piles of 2Js with spun bearings at 500hp.

For every max power champ their is likely a dozen guys with popped motors.