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drifter808 · 12-13-2007, 06:33 PM

got my replacements in a month ago but never posted back here. The mounts would move by hand or screwdriver but once on the struts they move nicely. stiff but nice and smooth. NO MORE NOISE either. problem is all fixed and i finally get to enjoy them. very nice ride i have to admit.

ASIA · 12-14-2007, 12:22 AM

for you guys getting the replacement mounts, did you guys buy the coilovers from authorized retailers? I bought my coilovers second-hand off another forum member so I'm worried they're not going to send me replacements. What information does Stance ask for when requesting for the replacements?

logik23 · 12-14-2007, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASIA

for you guys getting the replacement mounts, did you guys buy the coilovers from authorized retailers? I bought my coilovers second-hand off another forum member so I'm worried they're not going to send me replacements. What information does Stance ask for when requesting for the replacements?

You probably won't get them for free, but with Stance you can buy any part seperate so they will sell you just the mount.

D1GP · 12-14-2007, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASIA

for you guys getting the replacement mounts, did you guys buy the coilovers from authorized retailers? I bought my coilovers second-hand off another forum member so I'm worried they're not going to send me replacements. What information does Stance ask for when requesting for the replacements?

just provide your name and address.

K4RR · 12-14-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by logik23

Yeah, they send them out right away, but the ones they send out are just as defective as the ones you have now. :ghey:

They better not be defective. Or I am gonna pissed...

logik23 · 12-15-2007, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by K4RR

They better not be defective. Or I am gonna pissed...

I've received 4 replacement set so far, 3 of them have been defective, I still haven't tried the 4th set, but apperently they are good, so I'm hoping for the best.

K4RR · 12-15-2007, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by logik23

I've received 4 replacement set so far, 3 of them have been defective, I still haven't tried the 4th set, but apperently they are good, so I'm hoping for the best.

Me too! I found this pic on ka-t.org. are these what the new ones look like?

DaPCWiz · 12-15-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by K4RR

Me too! I found this pic on ka-t.org. are these what the new ones look like?

yeah mine are still having issues - imma call stance next week.

logik23 · 12-15-2007, 12:51 PM

Those pictures look like the Basic/Sport coilovers with rubber bushings instead of pillowballs.

hotrodv · 01-29-2008, 05:23 AM

After reading this thread I've contact stance and in 2 week I've received my new parts directly in italy with no cost! good! now I've to install them, seem a little hard to rotate but from what I've read is kinda normal..

mtx450 · 01-29-2008, 08:48 AM

These coilovers just do not like preload at all.

LongGrain · 01-29-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mtx450

These coilovers just do not like preload at all.

i thought they NEED preload to fix the problem?

DaPCWiz · 01-29-2008, 08:52 AM

I got my replacement set - and honestly they are worse than the original set. I contacted stance again to tell them that and they are shipping me out yet another set of top mounts. If this new set isn't good, then I might consider buying some tein camber plates and throwing them on there.

nieko · 01-29-2008, 10:28 AM

all you do is call them. and they ask where u live and they send them ahha no questions asked

well thats what happeend to mine

1sik240sx · 02-02-2008, 06:13 PM

I am new here but i thought i would create a video of what i thought was the correct movement of my coilovers. This is a GR+ purchased in December of 2007. Maybe this will clear some problems up? I was reading this and tested mine, and they did not do any of them problems stated above in this topic. I also attached a picture to show the camber plate being "2/3." I have my coilovers cleaned, lubed, and off the car for the winter, so if you need anymore pictures / videos let me know!

Hope this helps !

- Kyle

Here is the picture of the camber plate.

Def · 02-02-2008, 07:00 PM

The problem is they are trying to make a spherical bearing turn radially with a large axial load on it - they won't ever do that with little friction.

They either need to give torrington bearings to put under the spring, or adapt some sort of thrust bearing into their design.

I should do mechanical engineering consulting to these people that keep farming their production out to China and no one in the process knows any better.

naed240sx · 02-02-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Def

The problem is they are trying to make a spherical bearing turn radially with a large axial load on it - they won't ever do that with little friction.

While it is true that more axial load produces more friction, this design works perfectly fine as long as quality pillowballs are used.

Def · 02-03-2008, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by naed240sx

While it is true that more axial load produces more friction, this design works perfectly fine as long as quality pillowballs are used.

Even the nicest spherical bearings are specifically stated to not be loaded axially and forced to rotate often. QA1 and Auroras both say that their spherical bearings shouldn't be used like this.

If it were just as easy as spending a little more on a "nicer" spherical bearing, I don't think everybody would be having as many problems with them as they are on this thread.

mtx450 · 03-25-2008, 09:34 AM

Well, my new camber plates with the new bearings seem to be better, but still get minor memory steer. I can minimize it by releasing some pre-load, but I don't want to do that.

The new issue is that the adjustment knob on the from driver side strut just snapped off with the rod that goes into the strut. Fucking great. I just sent them an e-mail. I haven't even had these coilovers for a year. I'm not so sure about Stance anymore.

onepuff · 04-23-2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mtx450

The new issue is that the adjustment knob on the from driver side strut just snapped off with the rod that goes into the strut. Fucking great. I just sent them an e-mail. I haven't even had these coilovers for a year. I'm not so sure about Stance anymore.

Damn same thing just happened to mine but the passenger side. I was at the track to and couldn't adjust the front dampers. :hammer:

I emailed them too. Did you ever hear back from them?

mtx450 · 04-24-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by onepuff

Damn same thing just happened to mine but the passenger side. I was at the track to and couldn't adjust the front dampers. :hammer:

I emailed them too. Did you ever hear back from them?

Yeah, they sent me new "clickers", but I'm not sure if it's going to work. I'm gonna install them this weekend.

D1GP · 04-24-2008, 01:44 PM

lol my knob broke off too. they're gonna send me new clickers as well. sad to say i havent had nothing but problems with this setup. to top things off, the binding noise is back woot woot.

onepuff · 04-28-2008, 11:12 AM

I got new clickers coming tomorrow.

ilia · 04-28-2008, 11:28 AM

Spherical bearings transmit noise. When you get rid of your 3" thick OEM rubber shock mount and replace it with SOLID STEEL, you'll get a bit more noise.

That says nothing of the quality of the coilover, or the quality of the company.

When you don't put anti seize on the adjuster threads, they'll seize up. Again, nothing new. The parts need regular servicing.

Don't hurt a company's reputation because you don't know how to work on cars.

4bangers · 04-28-2008, 11:48 AM

I just got my GR+ and the adjusting now doesn't have a rod sticking into the strut but rather a hex cap fit over the strut and you can adjust the strut. Is this how it's with your coil?

ilovecoupes · 04-28-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 4bangers

I just got my GR+ and the adjusting now doesn't have a rod sticking into the strut but rather a hex cap fit over the strut and you can adjust the strut. Is this how it's with your coil?

Wat?

Are asking if its normal for the dampening knob on the front coilovers should be a hex pattern?

then yes. When i first got them they were an actually golden knob
then I got a replacement shock that had a silver, metal, hex dampening knob

4bangers · 04-30-2008, 03:24 AM

so I don't have the front noise problem but I have the rear clunk noise whenever I go over road gap, drain cover plate, and such. Do you know what happen?

nicku · 04-30-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 4bangers

so I don't have the front noise problem but I have the rear clunk noise whenever I go over road gap, drain cover plate, and such. Do you know what happen?

I had that problem and I called touge factory. They sent me a new set of rear pillowball mounts. problem solved. Its just the pillowballs were realy really loose. Call touge factory and talk to scott.

cxlo8331 · 04-30-2008, 11:05 AM

ok, so here's an update:
intsalled new pillow ball mounts yesterday and got an alignment.
Amazingly, the noise is gone and no memory steer. the new mounts are like the ones DAPCWIZ posted up:

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaPCWiz

new mounts:

compare the two (new left, old right):

The top circle area where the pillowball mounts to appears redesigned. Mount is also now slightly thicker.

My old mounts were black though.

Everything seems to be working great. car rides butter smooth now.

Hopefully this problem is solved. I'll keep my fingers crossed and will update if anything goes wrong.

4bangers · 04-30-2008, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicku

I had that problem and I called touge factory. They sent me a new set of rear pillowball mounts. problem solved. Its just the pillowballs were realy really loose. Call touge factory and talk to scott.

the rear stance use pillowballs too? i thought just the front has pillowball. Do you need to say anything when calling tougefactory? or just ask for a new pillowball mount.

12-13-2007, 06:33 PM	#421
drifter808 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Big Island Age: 35 Posts: 829 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: drifter808 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	got my replacements in a month ago but never posted back here. The mounts would move by hand or screwdriver but once on the struts they move nicely. stiff but nice and smooth. NO MORE NOISE either. problem is all fixed and i finally get to enjoy them. very nice ride i have to admit. __________________

12-15-2007, 12:51 PM	#429
logik23 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 401 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Those pictures look like the Basic/Sport coilovers with rubber bushings instead of pillowballs. __________________ -1992 Nissan 240SX LE -1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited

01-29-2008, 08:52 AM	#433
DaPCWiz Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern NJ Age: 40 Posts: 991 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I got my replacement set - and honestly they are worse than the original set. I contacted stance again to tell them that and they are shipping me out yet another set of top mounts. If this new set isn't good, then I might consider buying some tein camber plates and throwing them on there. __________________ http://blog.dapcwiz.com

02-02-2008, 06:13 PM	#435
1sik240sx Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Video of correct movement? I am new here but i thought i would create a video of what i thought was the correct movement of my coilovers. This is a GR+ purchased in December of 2007. Maybe this will clear some problems up? I was reading this and tested mine, and they did not do any of them problems stated above in this topic. I also attached a picture to show the camber plate being "2/3." I have my coilovers cleaned, lubed, and off the car for the winter, so if you need anymore pictures / videos let me know! Hope this helps ! - Kyle Here is the picture of the camber plate.

12-14-2007, 12:22 AM	#422
ASIA Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: CT Age: 36 Posts: 195 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	for you guys getting the replacement mounts, did you guys buy the coilovers from authorized retailers? I bought my coilovers second-hand off another forum member so I'm worried they're not going to send me replacements. What information does Stance ask for when requesting for the replacements?

01-29-2008, 05:23 AM	#430
hotrodv Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Modena , Italy Age: 47 Posts: 489 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	After reading this thread I've contact stance and in 2 week I've received my new parts directly in italy with no cost! good! now I've to install them, seem a little hard to rotate but from what I've read is kinda normal..

01-29-2008, 08:48 AM	#431
mtx450 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	These coilovers just do not like preload at all.

01-29-2008, 10:28 AM	#434
nieko Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Westminster Age: 33 Posts: 2,695 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	all you do is call them. and they ask where u live and they send them ahha no questions asked well thats what happeend to mine

02-02-2008, 07:00 PM	#436
Def Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,701 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	The problem is they are trying to make a spherical bearing turn radially with a large axial load on it - they won't ever do that with little friction. They either need to give torrington bearings to put under the spring, or adapt some sort of thrust bearing into their design. I should do mechanical engineering consulting to these people that keep farming their production out to China and no one in the process knows any better.

03-25-2008, 09:34 AM	#439
mtx450 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 405 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Well, my new camber plates with the new bearings seem to be better, but still get minor memory steer. I can minimize it by releasing some pre-load, but I don't want to do that. The new issue is that the adjustment knob on the from driver side strut just snapped off with the rod that goes into the strut. Fucking great. I just sent them an e-mail. I haven't even had these coilovers for a year. I'm not so sure about Stance anymore.

04-24-2008, 01:44 PM	#442
D1GP Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 378 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	lol my knob broke off too. they're gonna send me new clickers as well. sad to say i havent had nothing but problems with this setup. to top things off, the binding noise is back woot woot.

04-28-2008, 11:12 AM	#443
onepuff Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ohio Age: 45 Posts: 290 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I got new clickers coming tomorrow.

04-28-2008, 11:28 AM	#444
ilia Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Age: 38 Posts: 334 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Spherical bearings transmit noise. When you get rid of your 3" thick OEM rubber shock mount and replace it with SOLID STEEL, you'll get a bit more noise. That says nothing of the quality of the coilover, or the quality of the company. When you don't put anti seize on the adjuster threads, they'll seize up. Again, nothing new. The parts need regular servicing. Don't hurt a company's reputation because you don't know how to work on cars.

04-28-2008, 11:48 AM	#445
4bangers Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: wa Age: 25 Posts: 367 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I just got my GR+ and the adjusting now doesn't have a rod sticking into the strut but rather a hex cap fit over the strut and you can adjust the strut. Is this how it's with your coil?

04-30-2008, 03:24 AM	#447
4bangers Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: wa Age: 25 Posts: 367 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	so I don't have the front noise problem but I have the rear clunk noise whenever I go over road gap, drain cover plate, and such. Do you know what happen?