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Gnnr · 02-03-2014, 07:54 PM

The most likely reason for a turbo version is that manufacturers are using it more and more to get better fuel efficiency out of their vehicle lineups. Better MPG and powerband, its a win win!

For the record I love Rocket Bunny and you better hope that all of the Japan aftermarket jumps on this regardless whether you like the style or not.

word sux · 02-03-2014, 08:39 PM

I wonder if Nissan will use a variant of their new turbo 3 cylinder they are using in the le mans car...

The le mans version weighs only 88 lbs and chucks out 400 hp....

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Corbic · 02-03-2014, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by word sux

I wonder if Nissan will use a variant of their new turbo 3 cylinder they are using in the le mans car...

The le mans version weighs only 88 lbs and chucks out 400 hp....

No.

I'm willing to bet that Le Man's engine is designed to survive 1 race, only makes power at red line, gets horrible gas mileage and can't pass emissions.

*kingkilburn* · 02-04-2014, 12:21 AM

At 80 pounds that thing doesn't have the mass to deal with any amount of wear or vibration.

I do think that engine does show us that we can expect a very light weight engine in comparison to what we are used too.

signals13 · 02-04-2014, 08:34 AM

Besides it being 80 lbs and having 400 hp it kind of sucks seeing those low torque numbers at only 240 lb that's not the torque I'm looking for at all especially having a torquy KA-T I'm used to.

Corbic · 02-04-2014, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by signals13

Besides it being 80 lbs and having 400 hp it kind of sucks seeing those low torque numbers at only 240 lb that's not the torque I'm looking for at all especially having a torquy KA-T I'm used to.

Buy a Vette

***Future240*** · 02-04-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Buy a Mustang

Fixed that for ya.

I 100% with corbic on the 3 cylinder. No way in hell that will be an engine choice.

*kingkilburn* · 02-04-2014, 12:48 PM

Mechanical leverage.
If it revs high and has a good amount of hp the torque numbers are misleading.

Horse power is a measure of work done and that number never lies.

Taniguchi_Is_#1 · 02-04-2014, 01:07 PM

I wonder if Nissan will use a rebadged version of the Mercedes 1.5L F1 engine/transmission combo in the IDx? It's been rumored that Nissans will start to use more Mercedes drivetrains in the future, and 1.5L, turbo, and a 8 speed transmission make sense for this car.

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simmode1 · 02-04-2014, 01:15 PM

^^^Thats a joke, right? An F1 engine in a sub $30k production car? One of those engine alone is probably worth more than $30k.

EchoOfSilence · 02-04-2014, 01:16 PM

Here are some photos I took from Super Car Sunday at Woodland Hills, CA during the IDx in SoCal tour

Quirky but aggressive

Awesome approach to using jeans as a seat material

More here on IDxClub.co

drift freaq · 02-04-2014, 01:21 PM

and David makes his first appearance here in years. I take it you are taking an interest in this car Dave. Quick question how did the Super Car fans take to it?

*kingkilburn* · 02-04-2014, 01:32 PM

Putting that bucktoothed bezel around the logo really detracts from the lines of the IDx. It is clearly an after thought on the Nismo but on the Freeflow it runs the cleanliness of the front end.

Taniguchi_Is_#1 · 02-04-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^Thats a joke, right? An F1 engine in a sub $30k production car? One of those engine alone is probably worth more than $30k.

Yes, I was being facetious about that comment above on the possibility of putting race car engines into production vehicles.

But on a more serious Mercedes/Renault/Nissan drivetrain sharing note, the current gen Mercedes SLK is available with a 1.8L turbo (good for 201hp in current form) and a 6 spd manual. It would be a quick solution for a powertrain that's already configured for RWD.

simmode1 · 02-04-2014, 01:48 PM

^^^I dunno... I think I'd rather have Nissan's 1.6t with 197hp than a 1.8L N/A with 200hp. Easier to make faster, of course, but I would also imagine the parts for the 1.8L MB engine would be more pricey than the Nissan 1.6t engine parts.

Corbic · 02-04-2014, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^I dunno... I think I'd rather have Nissan's 1.6t with 197hp than a 1.8L N/A with 200hp. Easier to make faster, of course, but I would also imagine the parts for the 1.8L MB engine would be more pricey than the Nissan 1.6t engine parts.

The Benz is turbo.

The Benz engine would also cost more because I expect it would have a much better NVH rating.

I'd honestly have to see a dyno graph of both, an exhaust clip and MPG estimate in order to make a decision.

Gnnr · 02-04-2014, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EchoOfSilence

Here are some photos I took from Super Car Sunday at Woodland Hills, CA during the IDx in SoCal tour

Quirky but aggressive
http://idxclub.co/uploads/db3172/40/...3448f682d4.jpg

Awesome approach to using jeans as a seat material
http://idxclub.co/uploads/db3172/46/...cb55207738.jpg

More here on IDxClub.co

I wouldn't mind navy blue seats, but not feeling denim material or look.

*kingkilburn* · 02-04-2014, 02:14 PM

210 out of a 1.8 turbo seems rather crap. I'd rather have a bigger I4 that was NA.

simmode1 · 02-04-2014, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

The Benz is turbo.

The Benz engine would also cost more because I expect it would have a much better NVH rating.

I'd honestly have to see a dyno graph of both, an exhaust clip and MPG estimate in order to make a decision.

Great points.

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Originally Posted by Gnnr

I wouldn't mind navy blue seats, but not feeling denim material or look.

I get the impression the demin isn't going to make production anyway. Is it really durable enough to be a car seat? Yeah, blue jeans are sturdy, but you don't put your ass in the same pair everyday... Or if you do, I wouldn't expect them to last very long.

Corbic · 02-04-2014, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

Great points.

I get the impression the demin isn't going to make production anyway. Is it really durable enough to be a car seat? Yeah, blue jeans are sturdy, but you don't put your ass in the same pair everyday... Or if you do, I wouldn't expect them to last very long.

simmode1 · 02-04-2014, 02:30 PM

^^^Awww HELL Naw!

IDX better get that shit outta here... lol

ROFLMAO @ the 12k mile/1 year warranty!

Corbic · 02-04-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^Awww HELL Naw!

IDX better get that shit outta here... lol

ROFLMAO @ the 12k mile/1 year warranty!

Inline 6
RWD
Hatch
Small
Cheap

...what's not to like?

*exitspeed* · 02-04-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^Awww HELL Naw!

IDX better get that shit outta here... lol

ROFLMAO @ the 12k mile/1 year warranty!

Holy shit that's a real Taillight Warranty.

Taniguchi_Is_#1 · 02-04-2014, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic

The Benz is turbo.

The Benz engine would also cost more because I expect it would have a much better NVH rating.

I'd honestly have to see a dyno graph of both, an exhaust clip and MPG estimate in order to make a decision.

Cost-wise, I think the sticking point will be economy of scale on a costlier powertrain vs. redevelopment cost of an existing powertrain. As it stands, I think you can only get an MR16 in a tranverse mounting, so gearbox development/flipping the engine will incur some design and development costs that may or may not be feasible for a standalone application.

Another Benz argument is that the SLK is roughly the same size as the iDX, and is likely due for a refresh around that time period. With some retooling, it may be possible to do some platform sharing between the cars (2 seater vs 2+2, coupe vs convertible), again with economy of scale could be a driver. On top of that, it could increases the possible product line for both vehicles (SLK coupe, iDX convertible), increasing their potential value.

The Toybaru only became feasible when the two companies agreed on joint development (also happening with the Miata/Alfa Spider redesign), so I'm not sure if a vehicle like this can stand on its own in the current market. The Benz tie up is the only logical partner in my mind, if 2016 is a target, when comparing the product lines between Renault, Nissan, Infiniti, and Mercedes.

Just thinking out loud, though.

simmode1 · 02-04-2014, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Taniguchi_Is_#1

Cost-wise, I think the sticking point will be economy of scale on a costlier powertrain vs. redevelopment cost of an existing powertrain. As it stands, I think you can only get an MR16 in a tranverse mounting, so gearbox development/flipping the engine will incur some design and development costs that may or may not be feasible for a standalone application.

Another Benz argument is that the SLK is roughly the same size as the iDX, and is likely due for a refresh around that time period. With some retooling, it may be possible to do some platform sharing between the cars (2 seater vs 2+2, coupe vs convertible), again with economy of scale could be a driver. On top of that, it could increases the possible product line for both vehicles (SLK coupe, iDX convertible), increasing their potential value.

The Toybaru only became feasible when the two companies agreed on joint development (also happening with the Miata/Alfa Spider redesign), so I'm not sure if a vehicle like this can stand on its own in the current market. The Benz tie up is the only logical partner in my mind, if 2016 is a target, when comparing the product lines between Renault, Nissan, Infiniti, and Mercedes.

Just thinking out loud, though.

Hmmm. Interesting ideas.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic

Inline 6
RWD
Hatch
Small
Cheap

...what's not to like?

Do not want.

Corbic · 02-04-2014, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taniguchi_Is_#1

Cost-wise, I think the sticking point will be economy of scale on a costlier powertrain vs. redevelopment cost of an existing powertrain. As it stands, I think you can only get an MR16 in a tranverse mounting, so gearbox development/flipping the engine will incur some design and development costs that may or may not be feasible for a standalone application.

Another Benz argument is that the SLK is roughly the same size as the iDX, and is likely due for a refresh around that time period. With some retooling, it may be possible to do some platform sharing between the cars (2 seater vs 2+2, coupe vs convertible), again with economy of scale could be a driver. On top of that, it could increases the possible product line for both vehicles (SLK coupe, iDX convertible), increasing their potential value.

The Toybaru only became feasible when the two companies agreed on joint development (also happening with the Miata/Alfa Spider redesign), so I'm not sure if a vehicle like this can stand on its own in the current market. The Benz tie up is the only logical partner in my mind, if 2016 is a target, when comparing the product lines between Renault, Nissan, Infiniti, and Mercedes.

Just thinking out loud, though.

I have to disagree. The SLK is a nearly $50k luxury sports car. A lot of that money is the engine and chassis development. They are not designing the car just for performance but also for NVH and all those "luxury" feels.

Trying to share the chassis will work as well as the G35/7 and the Z. MB will also be conscious of being criticized for having a $50k coupe ride a $24k car chassis. MB also doesn't need to justify the SLK, it's a staple in their line up and it's already a hard-top convertible. There will be no coupe in the future.

To make the MR or HR engine RWD may only require new block casting. They may also have other plans with Renault. Maybe Renault even has RWD plans.

Corbic · 02-04-2014, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

Do not want.

How about now?

Taniguchi_Is_#1 · 02-04-2014, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic

I have to disagree. The SLK is a nearly $50k luxury sports car. A lot of that money is the engine and chassis development. They are not designing the car just for performance but also for NVH and all those "luxury" feels.

Trying to share the chassis will work as well as the G35/7 and the Z. MB will also be conscious of being criticized for having a $50k coupe ride a $24k car chassis. MB also doesn't need to justify the SLK, it's a staple in their line up and it's already a hard-top convertible. There will be no coupe in the future.

To make the MR or HR engine RWD may only require new block casting. They may also have other plans with Renault. Maybe Renault even has RWD plans.

Keep in mind, though, that Z's and G's are all in that same-ish price bracket of the Benzes (high 30-50K). Also, with the iDx looking like it will be just a bit smaller than the Z in overall length, wheelbase, and width, it falls into that gray area that Nissan doesn't want to go, where buyers will start to internally cross-shop the iDx with the Z because it is cheaper and has more space. Granted, I do agree that the SLK doesn't really need to have justification, and I didn't think about the fact that the SLK already shares a platform with the C-class, so Nissan might as well just use a modified FM.

On the Renault possibilities, it's a tough call. With the European car market being very poor over the last few years, I don't know if it would be feasible to try for a new small sports coupe, especially since an iDx could fill that gap in that market. No point in competing against yourself for sales.

I dunno. Lots of things to speculate on a this point, which is half the fun.

*kingkilburn* · 02-04-2014, 05:59 PM

It isn't competing with yourself when it is just two different brands of the same thing. If you moved a car you moved a car.

Corbic · 02-04-2014, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

It isn't competing with yourself when it is just two different brands of the same thing. If you moved a car you moved a car.

Also Nissan dies not sell very well in Europe, Renault would be a more natural choice for them.

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kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	At 80 pounds that thing doesn't have the mass to deal with any amount of wear or vibration. I do think that engine does show us that we can expect a very light weight engine in comparison to what we are used too. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

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kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Mechanical leverage. If it revs high and has a good amount of hp the torque numbers are misleading. Horse power is a measure of work done and that number never lies. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

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kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Putting that bucktoothed bezel around the logo really detracts from the lines of the IDx. It is clearly an after thought on the Nismo but on the Freeflow it runs the cleanliness of the front end. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

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word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 62 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wonder if Nissan will use a variant of their new turbo 3 cylinder they are using in the le mans car... The le mans version weighs only 88 lbs and chucks out 400 hp.... Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

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Taniguchi_Is_#1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Arkansas Prefecture Posts: 3,141 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I wonder if Nissan will use a rebadged version of the Mercedes 1.5L F1 engine/transmission combo in the IDx? It's been rumored that Nissans will start to use more Mercedes drivetrains in the future, and 1.5L, turbo, and a 8 speed transmission make sense for this car. Sent from Lala land while goofing off at work

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simmode1 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 5,526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^Thats a joke, right? An F1 engine in a sub $30k production car? One of those engine alone is probably worth more than $30k.

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EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Here are some photos I took from Super Car Sunday at Woodland Hills, CA during the IDx in SoCal tour Quirky but aggressive Awesome approach to using jeans as a seat material More here on IDxClub.co

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simmode1 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 5,526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^I dunno... I think I'd rather have Nissan's 1.6t with 197hp than a 1.8L N/A with 200hp. Easier to make faster, of course, but I would also imagine the parts for the 1.8L MB engine would be more pricey than the Nissan 1.6t engine parts.

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kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	210 out of a 1.8 turbo seems rather crap. I'd rather have a bigger I4 that was NA. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

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simmode1 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 5,526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^Awww HELL Naw! IDX better get that shit outta here... lol ROFLMAO @ the 12k mile/1 year warranty!

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kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It isn't competing with yourself when it is just two different brands of the same thing. If you moved a car you moved a car. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C