General politics discussion. Keep it civil.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Fine people on both sides of the tiki torches, eh?

Trying to finally address the elephant in the room after generations of asking for it isn't pushing the divide. Trying to kill members of Congress and the Vice President because you don't like the results of a free and fair election is. Fully outing those responsible, the means through which this was started and carried out, and justly punishing them in the court of law is how we heal the divide. Anything short of that is begging for repeat incidents.



Countdown to wild accusation based on something I most definitely have not said.

Man if you are anything, it is predictable.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Fine people on both sides of the tiki torches, eh?

Countdown to wild accusation based on something I most definitely have not said.

You, my friend, are a Proud Boy/MAGA Man/Trumpster. This proves it. You use the same tactics and refuse to acknowledge it. Antagonizing...but it's okay for you, right? You hate bullies, but bully people?

Your response is so loaded with unspoken accusations that you've essentially outed yourself as the close-minded bigot everyone is trying to implore you not to be.

...but you'd probably say something like "Ye this is 'Murica n I know ma RIGHTS."

I wonder who you sound like...you wearing your Trump 2020 shirt?


OT:
I think this type of stuff IS on-topic for this thread. If we can debate/argue without turning into the two previously banned members we should do it, though I highly doubt anyone here is open to stepping down from the altar of righteousness.

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

That just about sums it up lol

I've come to realize I am much more at ease and a happy person without visiting the old trump thread regularly lol

"Fuxk your feelings "

Is the quote from kingkilburn? Or are we failing to acknowledge that Zilvia's paragon is damn near the same as the other dudes?

[kingkilburn]

You really need a bad guy, don't you. No existence without opposition.

I've been BEGGING to talk about anything but me and the old thread but you outright refuse. The crusade cannot be allowed to end. We must burn and destroy until we are satisfied!


We could be discussing dozens of things related to what's going to happen tomorrow morning after 4 years of bullshit. Cabinet nominations. Proposed changes to covid relief. Minimum wage increase. Impeachment fallout. Big tech antitrust under new DOJ leadership. The likelihood of legislation killing internal combustion at some point.
But no. Let's keep talking about me. Let's make claims about me based on nothing. Let's claim I said things you can't or won't quote.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

You really need a bad guy, don't you. No existence without opposition.

I've been BEGGING to talk about anything but me and the old thread but you outright refuse. The crusade cannot be allowed to end. We must burn and destroy until we are satisfied!


We could be discussing dozens of things related to what's going to happen tomorrow morning after 4 years of bullshit. Cabinet nominations. Proposed changes to covid relief. Minimum wage increase. Impeachment fallout. Big tech antitrust under new DOJ leadership. The likelihood of legislation killing internal combustion at some point.
But no. Let's keep talking about me. Let's make claims about me based on nothing. Let's claim I said things you can't or won't quote.

...brother I AM QUOTING you. You like to seem smart, the deny implied accusations (by using inflammatory language) against other members like you don't know how loaded words work. You are a troll of the highest order, like a Trumpster.

Like it or not, your behavior here IS part of the problem and IS worth discussing because people like YOU will hold us back. You just want to sweep it under the rug in the face of the overwhelming evidence that you are, in fact, a Proud Boy by your definition. The moderators see it, and I'm pretty sure the guys agreeing with you are tiptoeing around it because they can see it. They, however, are not attacking others.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I really need a bad guy, don't I. I have no existence without opposition, and opposition is anyone who disagrees with me in the slightest. *Goose-stepping intensifies*

...so you found that mirror afterall, eh?

[deolio]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Cabinet nominations. Proposed changes to covid relief. Minimum wage increase. The likelihood of legislation killing internal combustion at some point.

Curious to see how many unqualified friends (financiers) Biden stacks his cabinet with.

Another $1400 would be nice if I ever receive the first $600... as long as he doesn't think that's going to be enough to sustain people through another shutdown

Curious to see how minimum wage increase works out. I have yet to hear a super solid argument for or against. Seems somewhat arbitrary to me.

They said by 2050 right? I hope they implement some sort of battery manufacturing standards to go along with it. Currently electric cars just outsources the environmental damage to a different country where the materials for the batteries are mined. As if pollution isn't a global problem. Let's just open the door and turn on the heat while we're at it

[kingkilburn]

Mother fuckers have been talking mad shit for weeks and refuse to talk about anything else and I'm the one antagonizing. You guys want to keep pushing until I say something stupid like zombiewolf, s14rebuild, and very nearly corbic before he dropped out. It's not going to happen. It was never going to happen.

[Corbic]

Man the kool-aid and hypocrisy runs deep around here.

[kingkilburn]

How in the fuck do you assholes hound me for days over some shit I never said and I'm the bully? Now you're calling me a proud boy and Trump supporter but you're not antagonizing?

You are LITERALLY doing what you claim I'm doing while I never wanted any part of this as I've consistently said. Move the fuck on.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

How in the fuck do you assholes hound me for days over some shit I never said and I'm the bully? Now you're calling me a proud boy and Trump supporter but you're not antagonizing?

You are LITERALLY doing what you claim I'm doing while I never wanted any part of this as I've consistently said. Move the fuck on.

Well, I got what I wanted. I guess you DO know how antagonizing language works...but (again) only when it's used against you. Funny.

By assholes, do you mean mr.nismo and I? What about the moderators? I guess this is a case of selective outrage, wouldn't you agree?

You're right. You didn't outright say it. You didn't have the balls to say it. You just beat around the bush. I fail to see how someone will such a good grasp on the English language can deny knowing what 'insinuating' is.

Mods, other members, if you think I derailed the thread I'm sorry. I think the way humans are interacting on the internet (in regards to our country and our politics) is DEFINITELY worthy of 'hashing out' here. I personally liked the way mr.nismo presented his thoughts and if he feels ostracized from this thread due to another member I think we should address it. if I'm wrong, let me know.

For the record, I have not neg-rep'd anyone here for disagreeing, but I guess I caught some from the last thread. I still won't stoop to that level.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

Well, I got what I wanted. I guess you DO know how antagonizing language works...but (again) only when it's used against you. Funny.

By assholes, do you mean mr.nismo and I? What about the moderators? I guess this is a case of selective outrage, wouldn't you agree?

You're right. You didn't outright say it. You didn't have the balls to say it. You just beat around the bush. I fail to see how someone will such a good grasp on the English language can deny knowing what 'insinuating' is.

Mods, other members, if you think I derailed the thread I'm sorry. I think the way humans are interacting on the internet (in regards to our country and our politics) is DEFINITELY worthy of 'hashing out' here. I personally liked the way mr.nismo presented his thoughts and if he feels ostracized from this thread due to another member I think we should address it. if I'm wrong, let me know.

For the record, I have not neg-rep'd anyone here for disagreeing, but I guess I caught some from the last thread. I still won't stoop to that level.

I said what the fuck I said. I'm outspoken and I never mince words. I have been crystal fucking clear the whole time. If you think I was talking about you you're right. You're being an asshole and a bully. I never once told anyone to not post. Don't put that shit on me. You clearly are not looking for resolution or understanding. Just keep stirring that pot while living up to the very letter of what you claim to be criticising.


Kiss my ass and fuck off. Was that clear and direct enough for you?


I cannot wait for a mod to show up only to tell me I'm out of line after pages of this bullshit. This is fanfuckingtastic. So much for civility.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I said what the fuck I said. I'm outspoken and I never mince words. I have been crystal fucking clear the whole time. If you think I was talking about you you're right. *You're being an asshole and a bully. I never once told anyone to not post. Don't put that shit on me. You clearly are not looking for resolution or understanding. Just keep stirring that pot while living up to the very letter of what you claim to be criticising.


Kiss my ass and fuck off. Was that clear and direct enough for you?


I cannot wait for a mod to show up only to tell me I'm out of line after pages of this bullshit. This is fanfuckingtastic. So much for civility.

*See below keyword

hypocrisy
/hɪˈpɒkrɪsi/

noun
the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

Maybe you having to deal with me will help you work out what the above definition means. I used hypocrisy to show you yours. Call me Morpheus.



I, like other members, don't believe there's a resolution or understanding to be found with you. You will only accept 100% compliance and people just don't work like that. Anyone 'less' than your expectations of them are the scum of the Earth.
Fun fact: that's how you bully someone into becoming a Trump supporter or a Biden supporter or a whatever-you're-against supporter. You are radicalizing your opposition. Congrats, you just played yourself.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by deolio

Currently electric cars just outsources the environmental damage to a different country where the materials for the batteries are mined. As if pollution isn't a global problem. Let's just open the door and turn on the heat while we're at it

Dude I wonder what this means for CA. They want to be 'ahead of the curve' and be there by 2035...

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/go...limate-change/

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

Genuinely asking: if the FDA can approve a vaccination for emergency use but not fully 'FDA Approve' it...what gives? If it's gonna be approved, why not just approve it. Is this in the realm of politics? I don't know, but someone mentioned the COVID plan for the US. Thought I'd let you know what we're getting over here.

It means they are giving authorization based on an emergency situation, bypassing the normal waiting period for studies to be completed (and for any anomalies to show up post-vaccination)

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-b...ines-explained

I think the main thing is, don't be stuck on the terminology. EUA is approval, and until there is data to prove otherwise it will stay in place indefinitely as long as there is an emergency (COVID-19)

Originally Posted by dizzariot

Dude I wonder what this means for CA. They want to be 'ahead of the curve' and be there by 2035...

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/go...limate-change/

I have said this on other car forums, my next non-gasoline car will be some type of fuel cell car.

The 2021 Mirai is promising but 1) the trunk is too damn small, and 2) the back seats are too damn small.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by mav1178

It means they are giving authorization based on an emergency situation, bypassing the normal waiting period for studies to be completed (and for any anomalies to show up post-vaccination)

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-b...ines-explained

I think the main thing is, don't be stuck on the terminology. EUA is approval, and until there is data to prove otherwise it will stay in place indefinitely as long as there is an emergency (COVID-19)




I have said this on other car forums, my next non-gasoline car will be some type of fuel cell car.

The 2021 Mirai is promising but 1) the trunk is too damn small, and 2) the back seats are too damn small.

Yeah I did some more research last night. We're 1B so we should be seeing it soon.

Here's a fun fact: The Mirai is some Prius-looking thing here in Japan. I just saw the US Mirai this morning on Doug Demuro's channel lol.

Knowing CA, I wonder how much more expensive it will be to keep our SChassis cars road legal by then...

[kingkilburn]

The big impact I see from a minimum wage increase is a massive increase in taxable income in states that have been below water in tax revenue for decades. That's a lot of local funding for infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc, and it won't have to be in the form of federal handouts with strings attached.


I've always been dubious of the rush to hybrids and all electrics specifically because of the lead acid and lithium batteries. There's a lot of dirty politics involved there with seemingly few people speaking up with better solutions. Just the container ships moving raw materials around had to be more pollution than modern cars driving around.

[kingkilburn]

Yes. You are in fact a hypocrite. Fuck off.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Yes. You are in fact a hypocrite. Fuck off.

I will consider fucking off. You would like me to and I don't know if I would like to, but in the spirit of debate I will consider your side of the issue.

Thank you.

[kingkilburn]

Apparently Trump wants to start his own political party. Terrifying and also potentially the best possible outcome.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/tru...FPqr5fMzg1Bkbs

[Phlip]

Anyone taking bets on another terrorist riot in DC today?
The only person on Zilvia with apparent knowledge of the first one got himself banned when it didn't have the intended outcome.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Anyone taking bets on another terrorist riot in DC today?
The only person on Zilvia with apparent knowledge of the first one got himself banned when it didn't have the intended outcome.

I'll call.

With all the troops stationed and fbi locking people up the maga group will not do a thing other than bitch on twitter.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Phlip

Anyone taking bets on another terrorist riot in DC today?
The only person on Zilvia with apparent knowledge of the first one got himself banned when it didn't have the intended outcome.

Another? When was the last one? 9/11?

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Another? When was the last one? 9/11?

hahaha

well said

politics as us-u-al

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Another? When was the last one? 9/11?

You're on the wrong side of history, my dude.

The attack on the Capitol fits the literal definition of terrorism: "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."

Violence: attacking police and destroying windows and offices. Literally beating an officer to death.

Threats: "Hang Mike Pence"

Originally Posted by Corbic

They see pantifa as dangerous domestic terrorist that are using violence and destruction as a way to intimidate elected officials and the public in order to circumvent our legal process to get what they want.

Couldn't be anymore un-American.

https://zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=...postcount=1045

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

You're on the wrong side of history, my dude.

The attack on the Capitol fits the literal definition of terrorism: "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."

Violence: attacking police and destroying windows and offices. Literally beating an officer to death.

Threats: "Hang Mike Pence"



https://zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=...postcount=1045

First, I'm not your Dude.

Second, oh the mountain of hypocrisy.

So pushing past some barricades and taking an unguided tour of the capital is "terrorism"...

But..

Firebombing the Federal Court House in Portland is an act of protest....

What about when protestors stormed the Hart Senate Office Building to disrupt the confirmation hearings for Judge Kavanaugh... Two days in a row?

Was that terrorism?

What about when protestors stormed and occupied the Wisconsin Capital building for like a fucking month to stop all government work on right to work legislation?

Was that terrorism?

What about when protestors seized an entire 4 blocks of a city, buried a police HQ l, murdered 12 people and declared independence from thr US...

Was that Terrorism?

You telling me I'm on the wrong side of history is like Adolf telling Mackensen he was on the wrong side of history in 1933.

[brndck]

Originally Posted by Corbic

First, I'm not your Dude.

Second, oh the mountain of hypocrisy.

So pushing past some barricades and taking an unguided tour of the capital is "terrorism"...

But..

Firebombing the Federal Court House in Portland is an act of protest....

What about when protestors stormed the Hart Senate Office Building to disrupt the confirmation hearings for Judge Kavanaugh... Two days in a row?
Was that terrorism?
What about when protestors stormed and occupied the Wisconsin Capital building for like a fucking month to stop all government work on right to work legislation?
Was that terrorism?
What about when protestors seized an entire 4 blocks of a city, buried a police HQ l, murdered 12 people and declared independence from thr US...
Was that Terrorism?
You telling me I'm on the wrong side of history is like Adolf telling Mackensen he was on the wrong side of history in 1933.

i'm seeing a pattern here. . . . .

[kingkilburn]

Today is the first taste of normalcy in more than four years. It's not what I wanted but holy shit is it good.

[KA24DESOneThree]

When in doubt, Kampf it out. Folx like you always find a way.

The difference between you and me is that I didn't condone any of the things you just listed. I didn't downplay them and pretend that they weren't what they were because the people may have agreed with me politically.

Antifa and BLM were protesting now? Not rioting? It was rioting before- did you just mis-type? Were they protests because now the Capitol invaders can be protestors, rather than rioters?

C'mon, Corbic.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

When in doubt, Kampf it out. Folx like you always find a way.

The difference between you and me is that I didn't condone any of the things you just listed. I didn't downplay them and pretend that they weren't what they were because the people may have agreed with me politically.

Antifa and BLM were protesting now? Not rioting? It was rioting before- did you just mis-type? Were they protests because now the Capitol invaders can be protestors, rather than rioters?

C'mon, Corbic.

Authoritarian is as Authoritarian does.

Please show me condoning anyone or anything. You linked me supporting Homeland targeting suspected agitators and arresting them in low profile ways.

I'm glad you'd rather get into a historical semantics debate rather then addressing the hypocrisy and actual issues.

The reality is, what happened on January 6th was par for the course in terms of the last 10 years of political based action - riot, protest or otherwise.

Yet you and your corporate overlords are shitting themselves, black listing, banning and calling for counter terrorism efforts. How long before China Joe starts drone striking people?

If you had a memory longer than the latest news cycle, you'd realize the "Right" has not moved to the extreme. They haven't moved in 60 years. It's the left that has moved and just calls the right extreme because they are farther away.

So rather then "coming together", you've impeached the president again, which means fuck all while accosting 80 million Americans as extremist terrorists.

This could have all been avoided had you accepted the proposal to hold a 10 independent investigation to review the accusations of voter fraud.

After all , you did support a now debunked 4 year Russia Collusion Investigation predicated on what was essentially election tampering by the DNC....

[deolio]

Originally Posted by Corbic

you'd realize the "Right" has not moved to the extreme. They haven't moved in 60 years.

In theory, sure, because they keep peddling the same bullshit because it continues to sell votes (same goes for the left), but they are nothing like the parties 60 years ago. Everyone is owned by someone other than the citizens and the ideas they're supposed to represent. America, a country by the corporate-backed upper class for the corporation-owning 1%. Isn't it beautiful? Looking down from Mount Olympus at the little red ants fighting the little black ants for our crumbs instead of climbing onto our table is H-I-L-ARIOUS!

[dizzariot]

It pains me to say that Corbic brings up a valid point that no one wants to see, but he does. I honestly never heard the term 'what-aboutisms' until it was typed in this thread, but when you're comparing things isn't that how you go about it? He isn't comparing something recent (Capitol) to something that happened forever ago...

If it's terrorism for one act and not the other, well, you know. It's just like Twitter.

Where a lot of people see defense of some fuckwit they turn a blind eye to the even application of the rules. The blanket of righteousness is warm but is also blinding.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by deolio

In theory, sure, because they keep peddling the same bullshit because it continues to sell votes (same goes for the left), but they are nothing like the parties 60 years ago. Everyone is owned by someone other than the citizens and the ideas they're supposed to represent. America, a country by the corporate-backed upper class for the corporation-owning 1%. Isn't it beautiful? Looking down from Mount Olympus at the little red ants fighting the little black ants for our crumbs instead of climbing onto our table is H-I-L-ARIOUS!

You do realize the Right / Left dichotomy has nothing to do with GOP / DNC. It goes back to the French Revolution to describe the two sides of the table.

The GOP is nothing but thr DNC Lite Edition. The DNC being an Authoritarian Corruption machine that will do anything to stay in power.

The DNCs sudden tailspin for Queer Activism is nothing but a vote grab. Their touting of minority advancement an utter lie. Unchecked immigration just means more votes.

After a year of BLM/Antifa riots what did the DNC give ya'll? A woman sniffing racist who helped build the police state your crying about and thr Top-Cop corrupt DA that laughed about locking black men up for slave labor.... Both of whom are 100% supported by those big tech and investment billionaires you so hate.

Good Job. Hope and Change you can believe in.

Who wants to take bets on how many weeks until we invade a 3rd world country or start lobbing missiles at children?