STL Riots

[STL240SXDRIFT]

Corbic

There are a thousand more better causes to riot over than this fiasco. What ever happen to nonviolent protest?

Exactly...Ferguson has been leveled, businesses destroyed, looting, riots, cops shot, 2 dead guys thus far, over a hundred arrests, cop cars burned, firemen being shot at for trying to put out fires, 2 FBI agents shot, news crews/press being assaulted...etc.

Schools were canceled, businesses shut down, Thanksgiving Day Parade canceled, concerts canceled, mom and pop shops losing $, employees losing pay needed for holidays...major impacts. Not to mention the property values of every home in Ferguson just plummeted.

Tonight will mark the 3rd night in a row. National Guard came in and helped a little last night, so hopefully with them around tonight, not much will happen. Scanners have been pretty eye opening to what Ferguson PD and all the other departments that have officers helping out, have to deal with.

It's pretty intense to hear 8-10 reports of "...shots fired..." per hour.

[theronin]

Originally Posted by STL240SXDRIFT

Exactly...Ferguson has been leveled, businesses destroyed, looting, riots, cops shot, 2 dead guys thus far, over a hundred arrests, cop cars burned, firemen being shot at for trying to put out fires, 2 FBI agents shot, news crews/press being assaulted...etc.

Schools were canceled, businesses shut down, Thanksgiving Day Parade canceled, concerts canceled, mom and pop shops losing $, employees losing pay needed for holidays...major impacts. Not to mention the property values of every home in Ferguson just plummeted.

Tonight will mark the 3rd night in a row. National Guard came in and helped a little last night, so hopefully with them around tonight, not much will happen. Scanners have been pretty eye opening to what Ferguson PD and all the other departments that have officers helping out, have to deal with.

It's pretty intense to hear 8-10 reports of "...shots fired..." per hour.

I was listening to the radio last night and a woman made a very good point, the economic destruction these actions will have on the Ferguson economy will last for a very long time. The surrounding areas prices will rise because they have no competition, local business is going to take a while to rebuild. People who work at these places just lost their jobs. Feel so bad for the innocents who had nothing to do with any of this, now bearing the brunt of it all. So sad

Side note, found it ironic how the first time this happened everyone was complaining about the militarization of police. So now they take a step back, don't wear riot gear, don't show force, and the city burns and everyone's all like, "OMG WHERE ARE THE POLICE?!?!?!? WHY ARENT THEY STOPPING THIS?!?!?!"

[TMW]

Originally Posted by theronin

"OMG WHERE ARE THE POLICE?!?!?!? WHY ARENT THEY STOPPING THIS?!?!?!"

Who is saying this? Honestly, I haven't kept up with the issue too much lately so idk...

I wrote a short 5-6 page paper a couple weeks ago on the Michael Brown shooting and police violence against blacks and I can understand the black communities anger, so I'm happy this incident and the 'rioting' is getting some press, but at the same time it is quite unfortunate for many people who own businesses there.

Did you guys see that Cleveland thing? 12 year old kid got shot...

[AFSil80]

That's why I feel for the nonviolent protestors that ARE out there...while I don't side with them, I do firmly believe in the right for people to express their thoughts.

But the images I'm seeing of these assholes out there burning our nation's flag just makes me wish the cops weren't being as restrained as they are. It's pathetic, they're accusing the cops of aggression and yet the police didn't fire a SINGLE gunshot the first night. They arrested a handful of people and confiscated ONE handgun.

I mean, these idiots looting and rioting SET FIRE TO THE CHURCH THAT THE BROWN FAMILY ATTENDED. SERIOUSLY?!

[supersayianjim]

get in a few tanks and run them over!!

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by supersayianjim

get in a few tanks and run them over!!

How bout some battlewagons?

[slideslidegnarslide]

Good ol' Subaru legacy. They should use that for their next commercial.

[Akito86]

Originally Posted by slideslidegnarslide

Good ol' Subaru legacy. They should use that for their next commercial.

XD Haaaaaa no lie i would of done the exact same thing.

[supersayianjim]

the beaver creek walmart shooting is something to be rioting about.

[stevenrapids]

Originally Posted by supersayianjim

the beaver creek walmart shooting is something to be rioting about.

Beavercreek and Ferguson are 2 totally different areas. Beavercreek had plenty of civil protests and marches without burning down and ruining an entire city for no reason. People made a point in a civilized manner. Whether you think the cop is at fault or not, I respect people that can protest and still act like a member of the community, not destroy it like a bunch of savages.

[zeitgeist]

Yet again in new york another officer isnt held accountable for his actions even though the chokehold was specifically ordered not to be used. Why do we have laws again?

Officer unaccountability is rampant nation wide
There's the police state right in front of our eyes

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Yet again in new york another officer isnt held accountable for his actions even though the chokehold was specifically ordered not to be used. Why do we have laws again?

Officer unaccountability is rampant nation wide
There's the police state right in front of our eyes

Agree completely. If you think this is just a black thing, white people be very fucking afraid.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...raid-fatality/

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Yet again in new york another officer isnt held accountable for his actions even though the chokehold was specifically ordered not to be used. Why do we have laws again?

Officer unaccountability is rampant nation wide
There's the police state right in front of our eyes

This. I can't believe some of these comments I'm reading right here about Tamir Rice's shooting. They really lead me to believe some of you guys HAVE not seen the video. Police were called to the scene looking for a 20 something waving a gun around. They pull up to a black 12 year old sitting quietly & drop him as soon as he stands up. The car hadn't even come to a complete stop. Zero attempt made to establish a defensive posture & ID the individual. Seriously, go watch the vid. I don't see how you can defend the cops here. Looks like a damn drive-by shooting.

[imotion s14]

Originally Posted by simmode1

This. I can't believe some of these comments I'm reading right here about Tamir Rice's shooting. They really lead me to believe some of you guys HAVE not seen the video. Police were called to the scene looking for a 20 something waving a gun around. They pull up to a black 12 year old sitting quietly & drop him as soon as he stands up. The car hadn't even come to a complete stop. Zero attempt made to establish a defensive posture & ID the individual. Seriously, go watch the vid. I don't see how you can defend the cops here. Looks like a damn drive-by shooting.

We've all seen the video. Does it amaze you that people can draw different conclusions from the same set of facts?

How did the Police know his age? Because there was no description of age whatsoever in the 9-11 call. All that was described was a "guy" in at the park with gun, possibly a fake, brandishing it at people, in a camo hat, grey jacket with black sleeves. No mention of his age and it took the dispatcher 3 times before the caller would even identify the race of the "guy".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30214859

Now when the Cops show they observe him from afar and see him put the gun into his waist band in the dispatch recordings.

You're the one oblivious of the facts. Quietly sitting down..

You must have missed the part where he's walking around pointing it at the guy who called

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV8FZWMVxB0#t=71

He gets up @ 7:00
Walks around the table @ 7:02/7:03
Police car enters the frame @ 7:06
Police car stops at @ 7:09
The officer that shot him opens the door to exit @ 7:10
At that same time Tamir Rice reaches for the airsoft @ 7:10
Tamir Rice is shot @ 7:11
You can see the officer stumble on his ass and gets up @ 7:13

All of which is contrary to YOUR conclusion of the facts. Just in case you forgot what that was.

They pull up to a black 12 year old sitting quietly & drop him as soon as he stands up.

Further, what does the motion of the car have to do with responding to the fact that he walks up to them reaching for his realistic looking airsoft gun?

Nothing.

It's so easy to play Monday morning quarterback. Hindsight is always 20/20 and everyone gets it right after the fact. Giving police the authority to use deadly force, expecting them to make 100% perfect judgment calls on every single incident and then faulting them for not being able to predict the future with 100% accuracy.

What if the situation turned out it was a real gun and the cops set up a defensive position and a civilian walks by again and finally gets shot?

What do you think the headlines would have been? I submit that it would be "Police failed to protect the public, a citizen is killed due to inaction and negligence".

[STL240SXDRIFT]

Happened again in St. Louis last night...motorist pulls gun after hitting ppl in road b/c they broke out his window.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...45b2ab84e.html

[STL240SXDRIFT]

[Corbic]

Another thing to consider....

[Corbic]

With all that said, I believe one something to help prevent this is officer training.

We need to raise the bar and set higher standards. Minimum 23 years of age and college degree. Boot camp style basic training, continuing training once on the force.

Dozens of studies prove "street smart" officers are buffoons and that class room educated, articulate officers do better work. They reason through problems better, they document better, they follow procedure better.


The issue here would then be an outcry about "community policing" and the ethnic make up of the force.

To be blunt and insensitive, you'll see more white boys from middle class families and communities policing black, Latino and white lower class slums. (More whites numerically live in poverty then blacks)

[imotion s14]

Yeah but why would anyone want to work as a police officer if they have a college education?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by imotion s14

Yeah but why would anyone want to work as a police officer if they have a college education?

Same reason you work as a Military Officer or any other job.

Pay, sense of purpose and duty, love of the job, benefits, security and personal reward and achievement.

Cops actually make good money. If I had 7 years with Texas State Troopers is be making $62k there. That's nothing to sneeze at considering the low cost of living. They also have actual retirement pensions, not some piece of shit 401k match.