Subaru BRZ = 240sx Successor

[fliprayzin240sx]

Anybody know if these things got fly by wire throttles?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Anybody know if these things got fly by wire throttles?

Throttle by Wire
Electric Steering

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Seriously, fuck Greddy, HKS, Toemi and Apexi. What the fuck have any of them really done in the last 15 years?

I have little doubt JE and Weisco will have pistons by X-mass for $400 a set.

I seriously think Apexi will be going under soon, if they haven't already, because they haven't produced anything worthwhile in quite some time. But HKS, Tomei, and Greddy have all produced great products in their history and relatively recent years as well. HKS is known for having one of the fastest Evo's out there, and also made one of the first forced induction kits for the 350z. HKS's prices have also seemed to go down since the past also. Greddy is one of the few companies that pursues Carb legality with MOST of their FI products, not to mention have made quite a big statement with their 1200hp GT-R and the GT-R aftermarket. They are also highly involved in many of the automotive communities and have thrown bbq's in the past to get to better know their customer base as well as find out what their customers want. Tomei's TI exhausts are very affordable compared to most other TI brands, not to mention they produce alot of newer parts as well

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Anybody know if these things got fly by wire throttles?

I think drive by wire has become a standard item when it comes to newer cars nowadays, I can't recall the last car that I saw with a throttle cable new from the dealership.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Who the fuck do you think S14s were marketed towards?!?! Yep, USDM S-chassis were soooooo fucking sporty (sarcasm). You do realize that it was marketed towards older secretary/nurse/courgar types right?

You do realize the S14 also failed miserably right? Nissan could not even sell 3,000 cars in 1998.

[exitspeed]

Different times gentlemen. Different times.

[1 88 U]

2013 BRZ is all sold out for the year.

[VROOOM]

Originally Posted by Corbic

You do realize the S14 also failed miserably right? Nissan could not even sell 3,000 cars in 1998.

I remember seeing brand new 1998 S14's on dealer lots well into 1999 and probably later than that.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

2013 BRZ is all sold out for the year.

Lies - source?

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Lies - source?

If you didn't put down your deposit last month when pre-orders started you are assed out. I was waiting untill the price was anounced today to put my order in but every last dealership I've called from NC to Alabama says the same damn thing. Sold Out until next year.


Subaru BRZ Japanese Sales Shatter Companies Estimates | AutoGuide.com News

Early Subaru BRZ sales running at 4x projections in Japan

[DallasTXjdm]

and Nissan's response is ...

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by Corbic

You do realize the S14 also failed miserably right? Nissan could not even sell 3,000 cars in 1998.

No shit Sherlock. You do realize they were almost $28k starting and nobody were buying sport cars around that time? Hence the reason every single high performance japanese niche cars were pulled out of the market starting 1995. Again, another reason why the damn cars were marketed towards cougars, only ones dumb enough to buy these cars back then.

[1 88 U]

http://www.fhi.co.jp/english/contents/pdf_en_78906.pdf

Tokyo, March 28, 2012 – Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), the manufacturer of Subaru automobiles, announced that cumulative sales of the new Subaru BRZ reached 3,551 units two months its introduction in Japan. This result, achieved between February 3rd and March 27th, is approximately quadruple the initial sales forecast*1 of 900 units for the period. The details are as follows.
*1 The monthly sales target for Subaru BRZ is 450 units.

1. Percentage of grade*2
*2 S: Highest grade with ample equipment for driving and comfort R: Standard model well-balancing comfort and fuel efficiency RA: Base model for user customization

S
78.4%
R
18.5%
RA
3.1%

2. Percentage of transmission
6MT
66.3%
E-6AT
33.7%

3. Percentage of exterior color
WR blue mica
33.9%
Dark gray metallic
6.3%
Satin white pearl
24.4%
Lighting red
6.1%
Galaxy blue silica
4.4%
Crystal black silica
16.5%
Sterling silver metallic
8.4%

4. Percentage of customer’s age
Under 29 27.5%
30-39
27.9%
40-49
23.3%
50-59
13.8%
60+
7.5%



Customers positive feedbacks are: fun to drive sports car, stable and reliable handling due to its ultra-low center of gravity packaging, excellent driveability that drivers can feel the improvement of their driving skills, and etc. The Subaru BRZ is highly acclaimed by wide range of customers as a fun sports car that any driver can enjoy driving with peace of mind.

http://wot.motortrend.com/hot-coupe-...ns-184309.html

On our shores, the Subaru BRZ won’t go on sale until the end of April. However, Subaru spokesman Michael McHale says the company has already received much stronger response from customers than originally expected. There are over 1000 pre-orders for the 2013 BRZ — even though Subaru has yet to announce pricing for the car, or let members of the general public test-drive it.
McHale said that a wealth of positive reviews of the Subaru BRZ in the media has encouraged many enthusiasts to get in line for the newsportscoupe. Subaru will sell only about 500 copies of the BRZ here each month, or around 6000 cars per year.

This car is a hit and Nissan missed the boat.

After seeing the new Altima I have lost all faith in Nissan's styling choices.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

No shit Sherlock. You do realize they were almost $28k starting and nobody were buying sport cars around that time? Hence the reason every single high performance japanese niche cars were pulled out of the market starting 1995. Again, another reason why the damn cars were marketed towards cougars, only ones dumb enough to buy these cars back then.

I thought you just said it was a car for college girls and secretaries?

Base price was also $18,359 back then. MSRP on an Eclipse GS was around $17,xxx.

I'm not sure what you are bent out of shape about. You're made Nissan wasted its time making a Altima coupe instead of a S16 - it's simple, college girls don't want RWD sports cars, they want cute coupes.

Mini Cooper, tC, Beetle, Eclipse, Altima Coupe, Accord Coupe ect.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

If you didn't put down your deposit last month when pre-orders started you are assed out. I was waiting untill the price was anounced today to put my order in but every last dealership I've called from NC to Alabama says the same damn thing. Sold Out until next year.


Subaru BRZ Japanese Sales Shatter Companies Estimates | AutoGuide.com News

Early Subaru BRZ sales running at 4x projections in Japan

Wow, more reason not to like the BRZ. God does Subaru have a PR machine. Just buy a FRS. Those articles are also Japan. I'm sure someone is lying to you.

[atom]

Friend and I went down to dealership last weekend to check out the BRZ and it is pretty much sold out everywhere. No ETA for new orders either. They totally underestimated demand.

I mean, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find one somewhere, but if I'm buying a new car I want it EXACTLY the way I want it. I'm not in that big of a rush.

[ronmcdon]

yeah I would wait anyways, but Im glad they're doing well for now.
who knows what additional trims might be offered in the next few years.
might seriously look to finance this once my existing cars paid off.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by atom

Friend and I went down to dealership last weekend to check out the BRZ and it is pretty much sold out everywhere. No ETA for new orders either. They totally underestimated demand.

I mean, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find one somewhere, but if I'm buying a new car I want it EXACTLY the way I want it. I'm not in that big of a rush.

Did you go to the Scion dealership?

[ManoNegra]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

If you didn't put down your deposit last month when pre-orders started you are assed out. I was waiting untill the price was anounced today to put my order in but every last dealership I've called from NC to Alabama says the same damn thing. Sold Out until next year.


Subaru BRZ Japanese Sales Shatter Companies Estimates | AutoGuide.com News

Early Subaru BRZ sales running at 4x projections in Japan

Originally Posted by atom

Friend and I went down to dealership last weekend to check out the BRZ and it is pretty much sold out everywhere. No ETA for new orders either. They totally underestimated demand.

I mean, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find one somewhere, but if I'm buying a new car I want it EXACTLY the way I want it. I'm not in that big of a rush.

You are correct sir
friend was one of the first people in Socal to put down a deposit for one
and has been obsessed with the damn thing to the point that he is driving all of us nuts

[SoBay240guy]

I didn't drive you nut you were already nuts

The CR shalln't need to be lowered for moderate boost, the DI does a magnificent job of combustion chamber cooling and raises the detonation threshold considerably

I have every confidence the car has some power on the table still 12.5:1 CR 2.0L with direct injection in 2012...unless the cams have no lift and duration the car has potential without turning screws...I'll know soon enough

for the rest of you try not to hate just cuz you missed the first boat, i'm sure you can still buy a FR-s and hang out in the shallow end of the pool...

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by SoBay240guy

for the rest of you try not to hate just cuz you missed the first boat, i'm sure you can still buy a FR-s and hang out in the shallow end of the pool...

Lol an elitist that doesn't even own the car yet? Now thats funny.

[SoBay240guy]

taking the bait like a boss....

[1 88 U]

Ken Gushi Formula Drift Streets of Long Beach 2012

KEN GUSHI During Round 1 Qualifying 1st run
Justin.tv - driftstream - KEN GUSHI During Formula Drift 2012 Round 1 Qualifying @ Long Beach California (1st run)

JEREMY LOWE vs KEN GUSHI During Top 32
Justin.tv - driftstream - JEREMY LOWE vs KEN GUSHI During Top 32 2012 Formula Drift Round 1 @ Long Beach California

KEN GUSHI vs AURIMAS BAKCHIS During Top 16
Justin.tv - driftstream - KEN GUSHI vs AURIMAS BAKCHIS During Top 16 2012 Formula Drift Round 1 @ Long Beach California

DAIJIRO YOSHIHARA vs KEN GUSHI During Great 8
part 1 Justin.tv - driftstream - DAIJIRO YOSHIHARA vs KEN GUSHI During Battle of The Great 8 2012 Formula Drift Round 1 @ Long Beach California (part 1) CRASH
part 2 Justin.tv - driftstream - DAIJIRO YOSHIHARA vs KEN GUSHI During Battle of The Great 8 2012 Formula Drift Round 1 @ Long Beach California (part 2)

[word sux]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Ken Gushi Formula Drift Streets of Long Beach 2012

KEN GUSHI During Round 1 Qualifying 1st run
Justin.tv - driftstream - KEN GUSHI During Formula Drift 2012 Round 1 Qualifying @ Long Beach California (1st run)

JEREMY LOWE vs KEN GUSHI During Top 32
Justin.tv - driftstream - JEREMY LOWE vs KEN GUSHI During Top 32 2012 Formula Drift Round 1 @ Long Beach California

KEN GUSHI vs AURIMAS BAKCHIS During Top 16
Justin.tv - driftstream - KEN GUSHI vs AURIMAS BAKCHIS During Top 16 2012 Formula Drift Round 1 @ Long Beach California

DAIJIRO YOSHIHARA vs KEN GUSHI During Great 8
part 1 Justin.tv - driftstream - DAIJIRO YOSHIHARA vs KEN GUSHI During Battle of The Great 8 2012 Formula Drift Round 1 @ Long Beach California (part 1) CRASH
part 2 Justin.tv - driftstream - DAIJIRO YOSHIHARA vs KEN GUSHI During Battle of The Great 8 2012 Formula Drift Round 1 @ Long Beach California (part 2)

yea it did pretty well yesterday for its first comp.


I went to both the subaru and scion dealer yesterday and both said they will only get 3 cars, subaru already had 10 preorders and scion had 6..

[mmdb]

Originally Posted by ManoNegra

You are correct sir
friend was one of the first people in Socal to put down a deposit for one
and has been obsessed with the damn thing to the point that he is driving all of us nuts

I saw in a brz and frs around the local stealerships. The problem wasn't finding one for sale, it's the "market markup" that's added to the car, or additional goodies. For example a BRZ I saw at Costa Mesa Subaru had a 3k or maybe 4k markup. The salesman wanted to sell it to me then and there.

[usdm180sx]

I saw the BR-Z markup. $5000 over sticker. I'll wait.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by Corbic

It is also not unprecedented either. The original S30 did offer a 2.0 4-banger in Japan.

Weill most of what you posted in this thread has been spot on. This needs correcting. Seeing as the Original S30 was my first sports car and I owned a few. LOL .

The S30 was offered with a L18 SSS engine not a 2 liter 4.

It was also sold in the special for racing package Fairlady 432 of which 500 were built. Which came with a S20 engine which was a 2 liter dual overhead cam 6 with triple Solex carbs. 5 speed transmission and clutch pack limited slip rear end. G Nose front, with ducktail spoiler rear and overfenders (which would get the Jun style name slapped on them later when Jun made them for 240sx's)

As far as the 350Z falling into the new 240sx catagory you are spot on. To many current 240sx owners fail to realize that the 240sx was only popular in its first two years of existence.

It did not become a popular platform till after it was out of production. Hence why the 350z fits the bill so well.
The kind of people who went to the 240sx for autocross,drifting etc.. are not going to buy a new car.
They are going to look for an affordable used car that has potential platform wise.
Hence the 350z fits quite well. It can be tuned to handle quite well and yes it does like going sideways.

As far as the BRZ/FRS goes the jury is still out. Its still a little early in the game.
Though I will say that Nissan is watching this whole thing closely. Their decision will definitely be affected by BRZ/FRS sales figures.

I suspect from talk I have heard the first order of the day is to put the next iteration of the Z on even more of a diet. I can see a downsized Z coming out 2013-2014.

[fyneyoungstunna]

got to ride in a brz yesterday. pearlish white.
was nice to ride in. I think the driver was a lil timid about it though. I would have went balls to the wall...but thats just me.
The thing that caught MY attention though was the engine compartment. My GOD does this thing look strait-forward and easy to work on. I could touch the top transmission bolts! I mean full on touch with no interference. I guess this is a big deal to me because I own a z32 and well let say you should keep a "little person" on the payroll if your gonna own one (lol). Id still buy the genesis coup over this though.

[simmode1]

^^^Ditto on the Genesis coupe...

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I suspect from talk I have heard the first order of the day is to put the next iteration of the Z on even more of a diet. I can see a downsized Z coming out 2013-2014.

The Z's price has been steadily ballooning. Weren't Z33 base models like around $26k when they first came out? Now base Z's are around $33k and the next gen is likely to continue that pricing increase trend. No longer can the Z be considered an entry level sports car. Rather than reviving the Silvia name, it would at least be nice if they offered the next Z with a 2.0T option for a base model while the range toppers continue with the current V6 tradition.

[word sux]

I think that the v6 will being going to the chopping block in favor of a turbo 4 cylinder for the next gen z. na high performance 6 cylinders have gone the way of the dodo.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by word sux

I think that the v6 will being going to the chopping block in favor of a turbo 4 cylinder for the next gen z. na high performance 6 cylinders have gone the way of the dodo.

Yeah... that is is why they are making more power than V8s from just 5 years ago while Turbo-4s are making the same power they did nearly 20 years ago..