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SimpleS14 · 06-23-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pank

(old picture, i polished the headlights and the previa is sitting next to a dumpster in my roommakes jobs parking lot)

If you took the picture with the S14 and the Previa front end side-by-side...that would have been a classic...

Omarius Maximus · 06-23-2006, 06:41 PM

I wonder if zenki and previa headlights are interchangeable haha. You seriously should have taken pics side by side. I have a question for all you zenki people; If I offered you a kouki in the same condition and with the same mods as your car, would you trade? Dig deep in your heart and give me the truth...

aznpoopy · 06-23-2006, 07:33 PM

um, that would be a hell no.

turbozxi · 06-23-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

I wonder if zenki and previa headlights are interchangeable haha. You seriously should have taken pics side by side. I have a question for all you zenki people; If I offered you a kouki in the same condition and with the same mods as your car, would you trade? Dig deep in your heart and give me the truth...

Definitely. More modern car with a much more aggresive/clean frontend.

!Zar! · 06-24-2006, 02:48 AM

IMO, the kouki's lines don't flow propperly. It starts off agressive and ends soft.

Stock for stock, I think the zenki looks sexy, the kouki has the whole, "Razor tampon" look going on.

Now with aero, zenki's look better for a vip-like style. While the kouki looks better for crazy extreme aero.

I've had plenty of chances to get a kouki, or go kouki front, but it just isn't my style.

So for his/her own...

KwKouki · 06-24-2006, 02:52 AM

stock = Zenki

modified = Kouki

I am not a fan of the BOXY boring USDM Kouki front. Even with a lip it doesnt look right. It doesnt match the car......at all.

Dunkee · 06-24-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

I have a question for all you zenki people; If I offered you a kouki in the same condition and with the same mods as your car, would you trade? Dig deep in your heart and give me the truth...

Same as ^
The Kouki does look sexy as hell when it is kitted up but definitely not stock. Back in the day when I had smacked up my front end, I considered getting the facelift but I felt that's the easy and uncreative way of making the S14 look good. I like to go against what everybody else is doing and just work w/ wat I got. I like the stock look..I have stock sideskirts, stock looking bumper...looks somewhat factory. I don't like stock looking koukis though. So no I wouldn't trade.

OptionZero · 06-24-2006, 08:00 PM

lets all pretend the USDM kouki bumper doesn't exist and compare it to the JDM bumper, which owns any zenki front end, stock or aftermarket

Kouki = projectors
zenki = yellow, muddy plastic and halogens

kouki ftw

/thread

Omarius Maximus · 06-24-2006, 10:42 PM

^^agreed 100%. You don't see group buys on stock zenki headlights. You also don't see front end conversions for koukis to go back to zenkis. The kouki is/was the pinnacle of the S14. Especially here in the states, since their were so few exported from japan. Zenki by todays standards looks bland, a Kouki with stock aero still looks fresh, and I believe they will continue to look fresh for decades to come. Thats why there is such a huge disparity in price between 95-96 and 97-98 240s.

aznpoopy · 06-25-2006, 01:23 AM

from an old post... sales totals.

95 - 25114
96 - 7334
97 - 3655
98 - 2178

theres like 32,000 zenkis out there. there are less than 6000 koukis. supply and demand. that is why koukis are expensive.

OptionZero · 06-25-2006, 11:46 AM

That limited supply only matters if there are significant differences between the two versions.

Were 97-98 identical to 95-96, there would still be a slight difference in price, but hardly what we see now.

Rarity is part of the additional demand; better looks is the other.

Dunkee · 06-26-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

lets all pretend the USDM kouki bumper doesn't exist and compare it to the JDM bumper, which owns any zenki front end, stock or aftermarket

If you're not comparing USDM then compare the Euro Zenki headlights w/ the rare Navan sport package. I don't love the JDM Kouki bumper...feel like it needs a lip but then it needs bigger aftermarket sideskirts and rear bumper so not stock anymore. It's rare to see clean Zenkis, takes more work and money...but more refreshing than any Kouki. I know Zenki lovers on here are fighting a losing war cause majority of ppl would rather have Kouki but not being part of the band wagon is cool to me.

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Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

You don't see group buys on stock zenki headlights.

There is a groupbuy on here for Zenki headlights...didn't see any for Kouki.

aznpoopy · 06-26-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

better looks is the other.

well that's your opinion.

kouki definitely has more *cough* mass market *ahem* appeal though.

VROOOM · 06-26-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboZenki

Nissan sold a bunch of Zenki's in the US, then they started making Koukis and next thing you know nobody bought the car anymore... which also made Nissan stop selling 240's in the US. Which denied us the S15. Seems like purists are more about the zenki...

about the time kouki's came out people started buying SUV's, notice how almost all japanese sports cars ceased production around 96-99. it isnt the fact that the kouki came out. its the fact the the general public wasnt buying sports cars anymore.

flytwa78 · 06-27-2006, 07:02 AM

I love the Kouki front end. The Zenki would look nice when the lens' are not covered with that yellow crap.
Final Connection makes that headlight cover that's clear. They are really expensive but they look great.

flytwa78 · 06-27-2006, 07:05 AM

In Japan, The kouki was more popular. According to my friend that works at a nissan factory, the kouki had a lighter front end.

flytwa78 · 06-27-2006, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by samms95s14se

Wow! this is back. This thread was only meant to get people's opinion on what they liked about the differences in the two, not to determine which one is better! Also I wouldn't say Kouki owns anything.... more like borrowed over half the body of the Zenki instead of getting it's own full redesign. For example... notice there is only one style of R32,R33 and R34? So if you want to get technical about it Zenki does own Kouki!! since it was the original S14.

The R32 and the R33 did have two different front ends. In the later years of both cars, they switched to projector lights. The diffence was not as drastic as the Kouki and Zenki S14 but there is a notable difference.

flytwa78 · 06-27-2006, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by VROOOM

about the time kouki's came out people started buying SUV's, notice how almost all japanese sports cars ceased production around 96-99. it isnt the fact that the kouki came out. its the fact the the general public wasnt buying sports cars anymore.

Very True. At that time, everyone wanted an SUV (stupid useless vehicles) and that killed all two door cars from Nissan and it was also the end of the 3000GT, Supra, and other high power Japanese sport cars.

240shorty · 06-27-2006, 11:19 AM

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stock = Zenki

modified = Kouki

Here, I'll fix it for you:

Stock = Kouki
Modified = Zenki

For me, that's how it is. Stock for stock, the Kouki has the edge. I've seen too many stock bumper Zenki's with their rounded front that don't look like they belong on a sporty car. Reminds me of a Pontiac Bonneville. For me, the key is to eliminate some of the rounded lower corners with the *right* kit (whatever that is). Several of my favorite 240's are modified Zenki's. You get tired of looking at the square, hacked up Kouki front (IMO), tire of it scowling at you for eternity. But the sweet curves of the Zenki will love you foreva.

Plus even if you prefer Kouki... with all that money you saved, you'll learn too like it.

vanish1 · 06-27-2006, 11:40 AM

Kouki looks better with aftermarket aero.

Zenki looks better with OEM aero.

Another interesting thing about the zenki is that when it came time for the S13 silvia to transition into the S14, you can see the evolution of the silvia in the zenki. the Kouki is more associated with the S15

atom · 06-27-2006, 02:06 PM

I think the worse thing about the zenki front end are the front parking lights. I dunno, it just makes the front look so cluttered. That's why the best aero kits for zenki are Ings, BN Sports Type 3, and K's FRP Factory, they all eliminate the front parking lights.

So smooth.

Omarius Maximus · 06-27-2006, 09:59 PM

I remember back in the day when I actually had a zenki, I'd scoff at everyone who had a kouki, and would say that my car looked better. Now that I have a kouki, its the exact opposite. I think whichever version you own, it makes you more critical of the OTHER version that is not your own. But after having both, and this is an impartial opinion because I'll be selling my kouki in a month or two, I would choose kouki every time if I had to do it again and again.

samms95s14se · 06-27-2006, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omarius Maximus

I remember back in the day when I actually had a zenki, I'd scoff at everyone who had a kouki, and would say that my car looked better. Now that I have a kouki, its the exact opposite. I think whichever version you own, it makes you more critical of the OTHER version that is not your own.

That part is so true!! It's a mind thing that makes you apreciate what you got. I do have a slight compulsive disorder and even tho I do like the Kouki front it would always bug me that the front just doesn't seem to flow with the back, squareish front to roundish back. Now I've seen a picture of the Kouki front on an S13 coupe and it actually looked pretty good!! squareish front to squareish back equals balanced design. But to each is his own so it's all good!

redsuns3838 · 06-27-2006, 11:14 PM

i have a beat up zenki front. bumper is torn to shreds, fenders have a lotta bumps and dont fit well, and headlights are yellow, corner lights bracket breaking.

that kit that atom posted above makes me want to just stay zenki...but for the most part i like the kouki front more. but there are some occasions where i wonder if i really want to change?

big_schaf · 06-28-2006, 01:14 AM

id go with the zenki, its just so dam agressive looking

Dunkee · 06-28-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by atom

So smooth.

I'm not that into drift cars but this is what I'm talking bout...refreshing

statik · 06-28-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by big_schaf

id go with the zenki, its just so dam agressive looking

uhh, I believe you mean kouki... both cars look good, but i wouldnt take a zenki without getting some secksi german style headlights

chmercer · 06-28-2006, 03:39 PM

i had zenki, now i have kouki, i have been on both sides of the fence, kouki is best

redsuns3838 · 06-28-2006, 03:40 PM

i was looking at the kit atom posted and realized that the reason its so agressive isnt really the aero, but the fenders are what really give it the agressive look. i was checking out zenki kits and saw a similar kit to this without the widebody fenders/panels, and it looked decent but not great.

haulksmash · 09-19-2018, 03:18 PM

what are the differences with interior?

seems like the door panel fabric is different? is this true?

is the zenki fabric inferior quality?

06-24-2006, 02:48 AM	#155
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	IMO, the kouki's lines don't flow propperly. It starts off agressive and ends soft. Stock for stock, I think the zenki looks sexy, the kouki has the whole, "Razor tampon" look going on. Now with aero, zenki's look better for a vip-like style. While the kouki looks better for crazy extreme aero. I've had plenty of chances to get a kouki, or go kouki front, but it just isn't my style. So for his/her own... __________________

06-24-2006, 02:52 AM	#156
KwKouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Key West, FL Age: 43 Posts: 2,212 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	stock = Zenki modified = Kouki I am not a fan of the BOXY boring USDM Kouki front. Even with a lip it doesnt look right. It doesnt match the car......at all. __________________

06-28-2006, 01:14 AM	#175
big_schaf Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: British Columbia Age: 36 Posts: 225 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	id go with the zenki, its just so dam agressive looking __________________ 90 s13 dd, 90 s13 track, 90 ae92 winter

06-23-2006, 06:41 PM	#152
Omarius Maximus Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 564 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wonder if zenki and previa headlights are interchangeable haha. You seriously should have taken pics side by side. I have a question for all you zenki people; If I offered you a kouki in the same condition and with the same mods as your car, would you trade? Dig deep in your heart and give me the truth...

06-23-2006, 07:33 PM	#153
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	um, that would be a hell no.

06-24-2006, 08:00 PM	#158
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 40 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	lets all pretend the USDM kouki bumper doesn't exist and compare it to the JDM bumper, which owns any zenki front end, stock or aftermarket Kouki = projectors zenki = yellow, muddy plastic and halogens kouki ftw /thread

06-24-2006, 10:42 PM	#159
Omarius Maximus Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 564 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^agreed 100%. You don't see group buys on stock zenki headlights. You also don't see front end conversions for koukis to go back to zenkis. The kouki is/was the pinnacle of the S14. Especially here in the states, since their were so few exported from japan. Zenki by todays standards looks bland, a Kouki with stock aero still looks fresh, and I believe they will continue to look fresh for decades to come. Thats why there is such a huge disparity in price between 95-96 and 97-98 240s.

06-25-2006, 01:23 AM	#160
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	from an old post... sales totals. 95 - 25114 96 - 7334 97 - 3655 98 - 2178 theres like 32,000 zenkis out there. there are less than 6000 koukis. supply and demand. that is why koukis are expensive.

06-25-2006, 11:46 AM	#161
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 40 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	That limited supply only matters if there are significant differences between the two versions. Were 97-98 identical to 95-96, there would still be a slight difference in price, but hardly what we see now. Rarity is part of the additional demand; better looks is the other.

06-27-2006, 07:02 AM	#165
flytwa78 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Guam Posts: 115 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I love the Kouki front end. The Zenki would look nice when the lens' are not covered with that yellow crap. Final Connection makes that headlight cover that's clear. They are really expensive but they look great.

06-27-2006, 07:05 AM	#166
flytwa78 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Guam Posts: 115 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	In Japan, The kouki was more popular. According to my friend that works at a nissan factory, the kouki had a lighter front end.

06-27-2006, 11:40 AM	#170
vanish1 Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 655 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Kouki looks better with aftermarket aero. Zenki looks better with OEM aero. Another interesting thing about the zenki is that when it came time for the S13 silvia to transition into the S14, you can see the evolution of the silvia in the zenki. the Kouki is more associated with the S15

06-27-2006, 02:06 PM	#171
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think the worse thing about the zenki front end are the front parking lights. I dunno, it just makes the front look so cluttered. That's why the best aero kits for zenki are Ings, BN Sports Type 3, and K's FRP Factory, they all eliminate the front parking lights. So smooth.

06-27-2006, 09:59 PM	#172
Omarius Maximus Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 564 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I remember back in the day when I actually had a zenki, I'd scoff at everyone who had a kouki, and would say that my car looked better. Now that I have a kouki, its the exact opposite. I think whichever version you own, it makes you more critical of the OTHER version that is not your own. But after having both, and this is an impartial opinion because I'll be selling my kouki in a month or two, I would choose kouki every time if I had to do it again and again.

06-27-2006, 11:14 PM	#174
redsuns3838 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dog town Posts: 969 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have a beat up zenki front. bumper is torn to shreds, fenders have a lotta bumps and dont fit well, and headlights are yellow, corner lights bracket breaking. that kit that atom posted above makes me want to just stay zenki...but for the most part i like the kouki front more. but there are some occasions where i wonder if i really want to change?

06-28-2006, 03:39 PM	#178
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 38 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i had zenki, now i have kouki, i have been on both sides of the fence, kouki is best

06-28-2006, 03:40 PM	#179
redsuns3838 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dog town Posts: 969 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i was looking at the kit atom posted and realized that the reason its so agressive isnt really the aero, but the fenders are what really give it the agressive look. i was checking out zenki kits and saw a similar kit to this without the widebody fenders/panels, and it looked decent but not great.

09-19-2018, 03:18 PM	#180
haulksmash Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Socal Age: 38 Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what are the differences with interior? seems like the door panel fabric is different? is this true? is the zenki fabric inferior quality?