The 2020 Presidential Race

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by Future240

Nancy was smart enough to know impeachment would only work against them. Her younger dem colleagues however are too rabid to understand the politics of being a politician.

The senate will not convict Trump.

He will tweet out he is exonerated and go on to win 2020 by a landslide.

This is my prediction.

This is 10000% correct.

This bullshit impeachment from the house has lost the dems the 2020 election.

Trumps in full attack mode.

[RalliartRsX]

He will only be exonerated if it goes to the Senate (I have a feeling the rules won't be decided before the new years....they still need to sign a budget as funding expires tonight/tomorrow).
mitch already said he will work with trump hand in hand...…..which completely removes the idea that the senate would be an unbiased juror.

Regardless of if you think this is shame, as the senate it is not your job to completely circumvent what you were hired to do.

But at this point, whatever. senate won't call any witnesses and will not vote to remove and that's that.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

He will only be exonerated if it goes to the Senate (I have a feeling the rules won't be decided before the new years....they still need to sign a budget as funding expires tonight/tomorrow).
mitch already said he will work with trump hand in hand...…..which completely removes the idea that the senate would be an unbiased juror.

Regardless of if you think this is shame, as the senate it is not your job to completely circumvent what you were hired to do.

But at this point, whatever. senate won't call any witnesses and will not vote to remove and that's that.

There’s just too many games with this bs. Now Nancy is refusing fro send the articles to the senate? Come on.

They should vote to dismiss the case before Christmas next week. It means Trump won’t be acquitted, but it’ll be over and the American people can move on and hopefully our government can start accomplishing the shit they were elected to do. Dems got to tarnish his legacy with “impeachment” but can’t have him removed. It’s a win loss for everyone.

Let’s move on.

[jdmgtom]

Trump 2020, Drain the swamp

[TheRealSy90]

Have the Democrats/Left done anything productive during Trump's presidency other than fight him over everything and do anything they can to stir up drama?

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Let the guy break more laws!!!11!!

Do you agree with the Republican lunatics who claims Trump has had it 'harder than Jesus in the Crucifixion,' that yesterday was worse for America than Pearl Harbor and the Trump IMPEACHMENT was less fair than the Salem Witch Trials

Obama broke all kinds of laws, and the Republicans never moved to impeach.

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

The House has passed a fair amount of stuff.

McConnell has refused to do anything in the Senate.

Have Republicans done any research to prevent making ignorant statements in their lives?

And he’s such a criminal yet they are still helping him with HUGE wins.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/19/...canada-mexico/

“Critics said it couldn’t be done, but he made it happen. Another promise made, another promise kept,” said House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif.

Some said the agreement did not do enough to prevent U.S. jobs from relocating to Mexico, but it won praise from Democrats who have routinely voted against prior trade agreements.

“Twenty-six years ago, I opposed NAFTA with every bone in my body," said Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga. “I never thought the day would come when we would have the opportunity to right some of the wrongs in that agreement."

Pelosi said the agreement was “light years" ahead of what the administration negotiated with Canada and Mexico. “We knew we could do better," Pelosi said.

[lewisfk]

^^ Just in, Evangelical Pastor calls for the impeachment of the POTUS, straight from Christianity Today article.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/19/polit...ice/index.html

[exitspeed]

Doing more for the American people. Trumps signs The Future Act.

“When I took office, I promised to fight for HBCUs, and my administration continues to deliver,” Trump said. “A few months ago, funding for HBCUs was in jeopardy. But the White House and Congress came together and reached a historic agreement.”

https://apnews.com/c4834e48841d97c5a93312b1bf75302a

What a criminal.

EDIT: oh and obviously a racist

[CrimsonRockett]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

What a criminal.

EDIT: oh and obviously a racist

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raci...mp?wprov=sfla1


"In 1973 the U.S. Department of Justice sued Trump Management, Donald Trump and his father Fred, for discrimination against African Americans in their renting practices."

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Taking out a full page ad calling for the death penalty of 4 falsely accused black teenagers who allegedly committed a violent rape. The evidence that they were innocent was and still is overwhelming. When they were exonerated, Trump didn't back down. In October 2016, when Trump campaigned to be president, he said that Central Park Five were guilty and that their convictions should never have been vacated, attracting criticism from the Central Park Five themselves and others."

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"In a 1989 interview with Bryant Gumbel, Trump stated: "A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market."

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In his 1991 book Trumped! John O'Donnell quoted Trump as allegedly saying:

I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. [...] And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks."

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"During the early 1990s, competition from an expanding Native American casino industry threatened his Atlantic City investments. During this period Trump stated that "nobody likes Indians as much as Donald Trump" but then claimed without evidence that the mob had infiltrated Native American casinos, that there was no way "Indians" or an "Indian chief" could stand up to the mob, implied that the casinos were not in fact owned by Native Americans based on the owners' appearance, and depicted Native Americans as greedy."

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"In April 2005, Trump appeared on Howard Stern's radio show, where Trump proposed that the fourth season of the television show The Apprentice would feature an exclusively white team of blondes competing against a team of only African-Americans."

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"In 2011, Trump revived the already discredited Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories that had been circulating since Obama's 2008 presidential campaign, and, for the following five years, he played a leading role in the so-called "birther movement""

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Here are a FEW examples of his racism during and after his campaign and presidency.

"At a rally in Birmingham, Alabama on November 21, 2015, Trump falsely claimed that he had seen television reports about "thousands and thousands" of Arabs in New Jersey celebrating as the World Trade Center collapsed during the 9/11 attacks."

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"In August 2016 Trump campaigned in Maine, which has a large immigrant Somali population. At a rally he said, "We've just seen many, many crimes getting worse all the time, and as Maine knows — a major destination for Somali refugees — right, am I right?" Trump also alluded to risks of terrorism, referring to an incident in June 2016 when three young Somali men were found guilty of planning to join the Islamic State in Syria."

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"Prior to and during the 2016 campaign, Trump used his political platform to spread disparaging messages against various racial groups. Trump claimed, "the overwhelming amount of violent crime in our cities is committed by blacks and Hispanics," that "there's killings on an hourly basis virtually in places like Baltimore and Chicago and many other places," that "There are places in America that are among the most dangerous in the world. You go to places like Oakland. Or Ferguson. The crime numbers are worse. Seriously," and retweeted a false claim that 81% of white murder victims were killed by black people."

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"During the campaign Trump was found to have retweeted the main influencers of the #WhiteGenocide movement over 75 times, including twice that he retweeted a user with the handle @WhiteGenocideTM."

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"Trump also falsely claimed that, "African American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever.""

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"Trump also suggested that evangelicals should not trust Ted Cruz because Cruz is Cuban and that Jeb Bush "has to like the Mexican illegals because of his wife," who is Mexican American."

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"Speaking in Virginia in August 2016, Trump said, "You're living in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed – what the hell do you have to lose by trying something new, like Trump?""

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"On January 27, 2017, via executive order, which he titled Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States, President Trump ordered the U.S border indefinitely closed to Syrian refugees fleeing the civil war. He also abruptly temporarily halted (for 90 days) immigration from six other Muslim-majority nations: Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen."

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"In June 2017, Trump called together a staff meeting to complain about the number of immigrants who had entered the country since his inauguration. The New York Times reported that two officials at the meeting state that when Trump read off a sheet stating that 15,000 persons had visited from Haiti, he commented, "They all have AIDS," and when reading that 40,000 persons had visited from Nigeria, he said that after seeing America the Nigerians would never “go back to their huts.""

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"The U.S. Department of Justice concluded that Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio oversaw the worst pattern of racial profiling in U.S. history. The illegal tactics that he was using included "extreme racial profiling and sadistic punishments that involved the torture, humiliation, and degradation of Latino inmates". The DoJ filed suit against him for unlawful discriminatory police conduct. He ignored their orders and was subsequently convicted of contempt of court for continuing to racially profile Hispanics. Calling him "a great American patriot", President Trump pardoned him soon afterwards, even before sentencing took place."

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"In his initial statement on the rally, Trump did not denounce white nationalists but instead condemned "hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides". His statement and his subsequent defenses of it, in which he also referred to "very fine people on both sides", suggested a moral equivalence between the white supremacist marchers and those who protested against them, leading some observers to state that he was sympathetic to white supremacy."

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"On January 11, 2018, during an Oval Office meeting about immigration reform, commenting on immigration figures from El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, and African countries, Trump reportedly said: "Those shitholes send us the people that they don't want", and suggested that the US should instead increase immigration from "places like Norway" and Asian countries."

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"In August 2018, Trump sent a tweet stating that he had ordered Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to look into land seizures and the mass killing of white farmers in South Africa, acting on a racist conspiracy theory."

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"In May 2019, the Trump administration announced that there was no plan to replace the portrait of Andrew Jackson on the twenty-dollar bill with that of Harriet Tubman, as had been planned by the Obama administration."


Plenty of proof he also stiffs contractors as well.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...uits/85297274/

[lewisfk]

^^ Thank You! He was never qualified to POTUS due to his history of outrageous comments. Remember, the NFL blocked him as an owner due to his history of saying antisemitic and racial epithets against black people, but he was able to be President.

[exitspeed]

Ahhhhh, you guys are right. All the Democrats are squeaky clean.

I don’t really need to post the list of people at Epstein’s island do I?

I need to remind you of Clinton’s actions while IN office?

I’d rather not.

Also, let me remind you, black folks LOVED Trump before he ran for office and the left told them to hate him now. Don’t take my word for it. Take the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of times rappers talked about trump and all the photos of trump hanging out with rappers and black celebs. Would be a weird thing for them all to champion such a racist wouldn’t it?

Look, Trump is not a perfect man. Neither am I. Difference is, neither him or I claim to be. But there’s one thing we need to really take away here (which you will all ignore and deny).... HE’S GETTING SHIT DONE.

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Ahhhhh, you guys are right. All the Democrats are squeaky clean.

I don’t really need to post the list of people at Epstein’s island do I?

I need to remind you of Clinton’s actions while IN office?

I’d rather not.

Also, let me remind you, black folks LOVED Trump before he ran for office and the left told them to hate him now. Don’t take my word for it. Take the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of times rappers talked about trump and all the photos of trump hanging out with rappers and black celebs. Would be a weird thing for them all to champion such a racist wouldn’t it?

Look, Trump is not a perfect man. Neither am I. Difference is, neither him or I claim to be. But there’s one thing we need to really take away here (which you will all ignore and deny).... HE’S GETTING SHIT DONE.

BUt her emails....but Obama....but Dems. That's not the point.

If I committed a robbery, can my defense be "but this guy did the same!!"

The answer is no. This will not discount what trump has done. However you are using this to justify your locked in arms with trump.

And I am sure you cannot come up with any inkling of evidence Obama was even remotely as racists as trump.........which is the entire premise behind crimsons post.

But but but.......what about this guy...or that dem..of that liberal....or that priest.

Whataboutism at it's finest

[exitspeed]

You’re missing the point.

THEY’RE ALL corrupt in some way shape or form. If you casted a vote for Hilary you voted for a criminal.

Stop acting like your party is above all this. Because as we’ve seen with the MeToo movement and other shit it’s USUALLY lefties that go down for the worst shit imaginable ie Epstein, Weinstein, etc etc. Republicans, Conservative don’t go down because they know there’s no way they’d get away with half the shit these pedophiles and other sick fucks on the Left get away with.

I’m telling you the difference is I’m not expecting Trump to be perfect.

[CrimsonRockett]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Ahhhhh, you guys are right. All the Democrats are squeaky clean.

I wasn't talking about Democrats in my response to you. My focus was Trump being a criminal and a racist. Let's stay on point.

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I don’t really need to post the list of people at Epstein’s island do I?

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I need to remind you of Clinton’s actions while IN office?

I’d rather not.

What, a blowjob and a strong economy?

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Also, let me remind you, black folks LOVED Trump before he ran for office and the left told them to hate him now. Don’t take my word for it. Take the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of times rappers talked about trump and all the photos of trump hanging out with rappers and black celebs. Would be a weird thing for them all to champion such a racist wouldn’t it?

The "left" didn't tell them to hate him. His own actions and the power of the internet/readily available information did. Some rappers are all about flaunting, cars, women, expensive jewelry, etc. So, it's easy to see why these rappers would mention Trump in their songs with his playboy-like lifestyle.

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Look, Trump is not a perfect man. Neither am I. Difference is, neither him or I claim to be.

No one is perfect. No one has ever claimed Trump was a perfect man prior to becoming president. The difference is, you justify his criminal conduct and racist views because you've chosen party over country.

Originally Posted by exitspeed

But there’s one thing we need to really take away here (which you will all ignore and deny).... HE’S GETTING SHIT DONE.

You keep telling yourself that.

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

BUt her emails....but Obama....but Dems. That's not the point.

If I committed a robbery, can my defense be "but this guy did the same!!"

The answer is no. This will not discount what trump has done. However you are using this to justify your locked in arms with trump.

And I am sure you cannot come up with any inkling of evidence Obama was even remotely as racists as trump.........which is the entire premise behind crimsons post.

But but but.......what about this guy...or that dem..of that liberal....or that priest.

Whataboutism at it's finest

Pretty much sums it up. Republicans lost their minds when Obama wore a tan suit. Fox News attacked Obama for putting Dijon mustard on his burger. Could you imagine how they would have reacted if Obama mocked a reporter with a disability? What if Obama paid off a porn star to have her keep quiet?

For someone who has stated dozens if not hundreds of times that he would release his tax returns, he sure is doing everything he possibly can to block their release. What does this totally not a criminal president have to hide?

Originally Posted by exitspeed

You’re missing the point.

THEY’RE ALL corrupt in some way shape or form.

A lot of politicians are. Not all.

You know, there are people who exist in this world who genuinely want to make it a better place not only for themselves, but for everyone else in it regardless of where they were born, their religious beliefs, their sexual preferences, or the color of their skin.

Originally Posted by exitspeed

If you casted a vote for Hilary you voted for a criminal.

The same can be said of Trump. He also lost the popular vote. I'm sure that one still stings Trump along with the significantly smaller turnout for his inauguration.

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Stop acting like your party is above all this. Because as we’ve seen with the MeToo movement and other shit it’s USUALLY lefties that go down for the worst shit imaginable ie Epstein, Weinstein, etc etc. Republicans, Conservative don’t go down because they know there’s no way they’d get away with half the shit these pedophiles and other sick fucks on the Left get away with.

I’m telling you the difference is I’m not expecting Trump to be perfect.

As an independent, I can tell you I don't give a shit about this whole two party system.

Republicans and conservatives pay prostitutes and porn stars to keep their mouths shut.

[lewisfk]

Hillary is no more of a criminal than Banner and McConnell. These idiots handed out check from big tobacco and lied to the American people over the side effects of cigarettes, assisting in the deaths of millions!

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

You guys win. You’re right as always. Obviously the vinyl way to see things is your way.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

You're doing your usual tactic of throwing complete falsehoods or irrelevant statements at Dems but claiming COURT VERIFIED FACTS about your guy (or stuff he has said himself) are lies.

You're the least willing to budge of anyone here.

What is it you want from me?

Trump is not a great person. I mean that. Satisfied?

It’s pointless having thee conversations on here (or on society media in general) because the point is to just combat whatever the other person says and never budge.

Like I said multiple times, I’d rather meet and buy you a beer and talk it over in person over this bullshit. Typically I have just a min or two (if that) to try and voice my opinion (between work and 3 kids). So it’s usually this abbreviated, not well thought out version of what I’m thinking. That’s just the truth.

[gbaby2089]

nopenopenope

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I mean, he's a bad person but I appreciate your slight concession above.

I think we're all just trying to illustrate that he's hurting a lot of folks man. For everyone but a Trump loyalist, every single thing happening in American politics right now is really bad.

And even most Trumpers will face repercussions from Republican's bad policies. (This isn't a threat of revenge from the left, this is my opinion of the outcome of bad economic, social, etc., policies)

Honestly I just wholeheartedly disagree with that. Saying “every single” thing is just not being honest. I posted multiple links of accomplishments (nafta, HBCU, animal cruelty law, the military bill) he’s had just in the last two weeks that have garnered praise even from the Democrats that just impeached him. Those are all undisputed wins for all. I’m sure they aren’t everything everyone wants but that’s not how politics works (or negotiations in general).

So again, he might not be a good person, but shit is getting done on his watch that IS food for everyone.

[S14rebuild]

Well here goes 2020!lol

[lewisfk]

It's basic shit, the man is flawed and never should have been POTUS. The Democrats were wrong to undercut Burney and push Hilary. The true reason the Democratic Party push for her is so she can be the first woman President. Elizabeth Warren is the best option if she can compromise on her health care plan. Raising taxes back to the Clinton era to find infrastructure and taxing the so-called job creates their fare share would help the country greatly!

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

It's basic shit, the man is flawed and never should have been POTUS. The Democrats were wrong to undercut Burney and push Hilary. The true reason the Democratic Party push for her is so she can be the first woman President. Elizabeth Warren is the best option if she can compromise on her health care plan. Raising taxes back to the Clinton era to find infrastructure and taxing the so-called job creates their fare share would help the country greatly!

I tend to disagree with why HRC was supported by the Dems. The push for HRC was because she was damn good at what she did, especially at State. The people voted for HRC in the primaries and the Dems just solidified it by backing HRC. HRC won by almost 4 millions more votes over Bernie

However, HRC was a bad candidate/campaigner.. She is very robotic and not very charismatic. A trait which makes for getting shit done, not necessarily the face of the free world.

The issue is she was an easy target for the propaganda war. GOP and Dems alike had the utmost respect for her behind the scenes. However, that was the gop party of old. The false character assassination and just outright propaganda/fake news that infiltrated the airways/social media negated the respect both parties held for HRC.

For whatever reason, the gop of new is still caught up on her emails and Benghazi. I doubt anyone from the gop of new could stand up to such a barrage of questions for the 11 hours straight. All you get right now is a bunch of whiney bitches about process..........A process the GOP themselves rewrote when they impeached Clinton..........A process the Dems were following to the T. They got the process and what do they do?? Delay and stonewall. All the while negating the fact of the constitution literally being undermined by trump.

WTF does the process have to do with anything if you yourself admit guilty and literally produce the evidence to back up??

Anyways, I am preaching to the choir here and I will always go back to what Falkon says; no one here is changing their mind. And that's that

[lewisfk]

Valid point. Who is your choice?

[Future240]

^^^^^We still need to get wings one day.

No one is changing their mind, but it is still interesting to debate and see different points. Just cannot take it personal or get offended.

[Future240]

Like most presidents Trump has done some good and some bad.

Clinton for example great economy yet signed in a law that helped incarcerate a lot of people.

We don't yet the long term results of his presidency. It might be an economic win and social failure. Could be an international disaster. It could end up being the greatest reign in a long time. It could go down flames.

As an independent I wish him the best. His country is my country. If he goes down, in a way so do we.

I care not about party lines.

Some stuff I agree with him on (offense culture for instance can gtfo)

I disagree on a whole lot.

In the end though no matter whether you sit left, right or middle, we all have to still share this country. I wish both the dems and Repubs would reach across the aisle and work together to solve some of the real issues at hand, like our VA system is messed up, healthcare is messed up, drug laws are messed up, allowing telecom companies to write laws about telecom is messed up, etc. etc.

[Coupes_FTW]

TCJA honestly is the worst shit ever.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Coupes_FTW

TCJA honestly is the worst shit ever.

Oh shit, why didn’t you say so?

I’ll just give the government back the extra tens of thousands of dollars they didn’t keep of my money. I mean it’s not like I was using it to raise my family, expand my business/career and fuel the booming economy.