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TheRealSy90 · 11-19-2010, 02:23 PM

I ordered my fortune's with 12k front and 10k rear. They revalved the dampener for free. Smoothest riding 12k10k car i've ever driven. Very streetable.

KA240SX808 · 11-19-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SoSideways

Just curious, but are the DG-5 coils also called the GR+?

Because if not, then where did Stance state that the XR is different than the DG-5?

No, DG-5 are coilovers made/designed by the one and only "Drift King" Keiichi Tsuchiya. More info can be found here.

+1 for Shock Dyno.

JoshuaLogan · 11-19-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo240R

No, DG-5 are coilovers made/designed by the one and only "Drift King" Keiichi Tsuchiya. More info can be found here.

+1 for Shock Dyno.

I think he was being sarcastic, dude. We know what the DG-5s are.

The point was it looks like these Stance XRs are a direct ripoff of the DG-5s, at least in appearance. Look at them. They're using swift springs and going for the same appearence. It seems like they're just trying to cash in there on the DG-5 looks in hopes that people will think they will offer the same performance (although we know they won't)...

SoSideways · 11-22-2010, 11:22 AM

Actually, from this shock dyno that Stance posted up back in 2008, they ARE quite close to the DG-5 in valving.

As a matter of fact, from that chart, the Stance GR+ has better valving than the DG-5 in terms of velocity below 0.1 m/sec. Not sure whether they plotted the rebound on top or on the bottom (usually they're on the bottom below 0), but on that graph, the dyno on the bottom would also suggest that the Stance has a better curve than the DG-5, if you want a digressive curve, and not one that is over damped.

I can personally say that, on my set of Stance GR+ rear dampers, when I push the shocks down with my hands, it takes more force and takes longer to push down, than for it to expand back to original length, so maybe the dyno graph does suggest there to be way too much compression and not enough rebound.

Also, the reason why I was able to do that, was because I was swapping the 7k springs back out for the 6k springs, and I can say for sure that, the 6k springs are probably what the dampers are valved for, not the 7k springs as Stance said previously, because the car was not bouncy on the 6k springs, but was a bit bouncy on the 7k springs. And if I stiffened up the dampers with the 7k springs, the car just acted like a pogo stick, and bounced and skipped across every irregularity on the road surface, while with the 6k springs, it soaked up the bumps quite well, and is actually much more controllable.

Settings were 7 clicks back towards soft, starting from full hard. I would turn the adjusters all the way to the full hard setting, and then back them up from there, as these dampers do not all have only 15 clicks either way. One had like 16 clicks, and one even had 17 clicks.

240KA · 11-22-2010, 04:40 PM

i like those "racing gear" coilovers. are those the JTC's?

s14freak93901 · 11-22-2010, 06:25 PM

just because it has black chasing and swift springs doesn't mean they are knocking off DG5.

who knows...maybe these will be better valved then the DG's. only the dyno will say and someone who has actually tested them.

Perfect Balance · 11-22-2010, 09:56 PM

Stance does have pretty decent valving, I remember seeing this graph a long time ago. DG-5 isn't actually that good according to that graph, so I never knew why everyone was on DG-5s nuts, although that's the only shock dyno from them I have seen.

This still doesn't mean that these new Stance coilovers have good valving, it's not the same damper obviously. Like I said, that price is KW, Ohlins, Bilstein, ect, ect, territory. Let's see what they've got.

SoSideways · 11-23-2010, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Perfect Balance

Stance does have pretty decent valving, I remember seeing this graph a long time ago. DG-5 isn't actually that good according to that graph, so I never knew why everyone was on DG-5s nuts, although that's the only shock dyno from them I have seen.

Because DG-5s are designed and valved to the Drift King's specifications yo.

And like all of the D1 guys run them.

(they run them mostly because of politics, but hey, fanbois will say otherwise).

slider2828 · 11-23-2010, 09:18 AM

Yeah that racing gear is nice......

s14freak93901 · 12-01-2010, 06:42 PM

if it's free to run...fuck it.

***CrimsonRockett*** · 12-01-2010, 06:55 PM

I just threw on some Stance GR+ Pro's on my brother's S14 and absolutely love them. Ridden on several different S-chassis with different Stance coilovers and have nothing but good things to say about them.

I really am looking forward to these.

tricky_ab · 12-01-2010, 07:25 PM

I had seen a HPI version of DG-5 coilovers in the latest Drift Tengoku magazine. It's interesting to see more companies using the same "line" of coilovers...

anton1o · 12-01-2010, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoSideways

(they run them mostly because of politics, but hey, fanbois will say otherwise).

oh so so true.

stricnynel0s · 12-02-2010, 07:42 AM

i run gr+ pro, and i am far from a pro dirfter, i dont touge every downill offramp on the parkway, but they kick ass for me the stance have been awesome, i rode on silkroads, tein, d2, and kei office, and i still perfer my stance !!

thefro526 · 12-02-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SoSideways

(they run them mostly because of politics, but hey, fanbois will say otherwise).

You would think someone would've realized that Tsuchiya would be biased to those running his Suspension. Lol.

Back on topic though, Will Stance be offering Top Hats with Camber and Caster Adjustment anytime soon? I think that's going to be one of the deciding factors when I buy my next set of coils, and I really like the XR.

SoSideways · 12-02-2010, 08:50 AM

They talked about it, and even had a picture of their prototype, but I haven't seen anything else about it.

BTW, their GR+ coilovers are best paired with the 8/6k springs, as the 9/7k springs are a bit too much for the damper to handle, unless you turn the damping rate up, which in turn makes the car bounce like a pogo stick.

Z33dori · 12-02-2010, 09:36 AM

if they are better than GR+pro then they are def worth the money.

I enjoy my pbms, but i convinced everyone else that i hung with to buy Stance. The GR+(8/6) were alright not super great, but the Pro(10/8) were pretty amazing.

And when you guys are saying too much and too lil rebound/comp what do you mean. From what learned in class and books... More = More resistance or tights ( Takes more force to compress or return, Less = lower resistance so compress easy and return easy.

SoSideways · 12-02-2010, 10:45 AM

Compression is just what it sounds like, when a shock compresses, like when you push down on it.

The higher the force, the more resistance it will have, aka it will be harder to compress the shock.

Rebound deals with when the shock expands after being compressed, and the same applies for the stiffness of the rebounds as it is with the compression.

IIRC, a phenomenon known as jacking occurs when you increase the rebound too much, and it causes the shock to keep shortening and shortening itself after each bump, if you don't give it time to expand.

Z33dori · 12-02-2010, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoSideways

Compression is just what it sounds like, when a shock compresses, like when you push down on it.

The higher the force, the more resistance it will have, aka it will be harder to compress the shock.

Rebound deals with when the shock expands after being compressed, and the same applies for the stiffness of the rebounds as it is with the compression.

IIRC, a phenomenon known as jacking occurs when you increase the rebound too much, and it causes the shock to keep shortening and shortening itself after each bump, if you don't give it time to expand.

i see, i dont recall hearing about this.

Pandapants · 12-02-2010, 11:08 AM

After learning about dampers and how to read graphs, I find that old Tengoku graph very interesting. Even more interesting when people say "x" coilovers suck, "y" coilovers are better. I wish PSM offered less ambiguous numbers so I could plot them on a graph and really "see" what I'm "feeling".

SoSideways · 12-02-2010, 11:30 AM

Bear in mind that I'm not here to bash any one, any company, or their products with what I am about to say, but just stating my opinion.

Any time you see suspension pieces like coilovers being sold, if the company that sells them refuse to post dyno graphs of their dampers, there's usually a reason for it, and the reason is that the graph will probably show you a pretty crappy linear curve, along with too much compression and not enough rebound.

Perfect Balance · 12-02-2010, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoSideways

Bear in mind that I'm not here to bash any one, any company, or their products with what I am about to say, but just stating my opinion.

Any time you see suspension pieces like coilovers being sold, if the company that sells them refuse to post dyno graphs of their dampers, there's usually a reason for it, and the reason is that the graph will probably show you a pretty crappy linear curve, along with too much compression and not enough rebound.

Agreed. Still waiting on a dyno, and I'm sure a lot of other people here are as well.

stockbee · 12-03-2010, 07:01 PM

I know I still am.

s14freak93901 · 12-07-2010, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoSideways

Bear in mind that I'm not here to bash any one, any company, or their products with what I am about to say, but just stating my opinion.

Any time you see suspension pieces like coilovers being sold, if the company that sells them refuse to post dyno graphs of their dampers, there's usually a reason for it, and the reason is that the graph will probably show you a pretty crappy linear curve, along with too much compression and not enough rebound.

couldn't say it any better. lets see if stance will let him post it. they better for the damn price.

motorsporttc · 12-07-2010, 01:26 PM

screw the stance I want to find a set of Racing Gear now.....

SlideOrDie831 · 07-22-2012, 05:52 PM

grave dig or whatever. these are built in the same factory has DG5. just built to stances specs.

11-22-2010, 11:22 AM	#64
SoSideways Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 你老母 Posts: 4,371 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Actually, from this shock dyno that Stance posted up back in 2008, they ARE quite close to the DG-5 in valving. As a matter of fact, from that chart, the Stance GR+ has better valving than the DG-5 in terms of velocity below 0.1 m/sec. Not sure whether they plotted the rebound on top or on the bottom (usually they're on the bottom below 0), but on that graph, the dyno on the bottom would also suggest that the Stance has a better curve than the DG-5, if you want a digressive curve, and not one that is over damped. I can personally say that, on my set of Stance GR+ rear dampers, when I push the shocks down with my hands, it takes more force and takes longer to push down, than for it to expand back to original length, so maybe the dyno graph does suggest there to be way too much compression and not enough rebound. Also, the reason why I was able to do that, was because I was swapping the 7k springs back out for the 6k springs, and I can say for sure that, the 6k springs are probably what the dampers are valved for, not the 7k springs as Stance said previously, because the car was not bouncy on the 6k springs, but was a bit bouncy on the 7k springs. And if I stiffened up the dampers with the 7k springs, the car just acted like a pogo stick, and bounced and skipped across every irregularity on the road surface, while with the 6k springs, it soaked up the bumps quite well, and is actually much more controllable. Settings were 7 clicks back towards soft, starting from full hard. I would turn the adjusters all the way to the full hard setting, and then back them up from there, as these dampers do not all have only 15 clicks either way. One had like 16 clicks, and one even had 17 clicks. __________________ SoSideway's iTrader Rating!! *SoSideways' Review Thread!!* http://sosideways.wordpress.com/

11-23-2010, 09:18 AM	#69
slider2828 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,998 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Yeah that racing gear is nice...... __________________ Turn and Burn!

12-02-2010, 08:50 AM	#76
SoSideways Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 你老母 Posts: 4,371 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	They talked about it, and even had a picture of their prototype, but I haven't seen anything else about it. BTW, their GR+ coilovers are best paired with the 8/6k springs, as the 9/7k springs are a bit too much for the damper to handle, unless you turn the damping rate up, which in turn makes the car bounce like a pogo stick. __________________ SoSideway's iTrader Rating!! *SoSideways' Review Thread!!* http://sosideways.wordpress.com/

12-02-2010, 09:36 AM	#77
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 35 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	if they are better than GR+pro then they are def worth the money. I enjoy my pbms, but i convinced everyone else that i hung with to buy Stance. The GR+(8/6) were alright not super great, but the Pro(10/8) were pretty amazing. And when you guys are saying too much and too lil rebound/comp what do you mean. From what learned in class and books... More = More resistance or tights ( Takes more force to compress or return, Less = lower resistance so compress easy and return easy. __________________

12-02-2010, 10:45 AM	#78
SoSideways Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 你老母 Posts: 4,371 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Compression is just what it sounds like, when a shock compresses, like when you push down on it. The higher the force, the more resistance it will have, aka it will be harder to compress the shock. Rebound deals with when the shock expands after being compressed, and the same applies for the stiffness of the rebounds as it is with the compression. IIRC, a phenomenon known as jacking occurs when you increase the rebound too much, and it causes the shock to keep shortening and shortening itself after each bump, if you don't give it time to expand. __________________ SoSideway's iTrader Rating!! *SoSideways' Review Thread!!* http://sosideways.wordpress.com/

11-22-2010, 04:40 PM	#65
240KA Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: OK Age: 40 Posts: 809 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	i like those "racing gear" coilovers. are those the JTC's?

11-22-2010, 06:25 PM	#66
s14freak93901 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: salinas,ca-fort bragg,nc Age: 35 Posts: 203 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just because it has black chasing and swift springs doesn't mean they are knocking off DG5. who knows...maybe these will be better valved then the DG's. only the dyno will say and someone who has actually tested them.

11-22-2010, 09:56 PM	#67
Perfect Balance Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia Age: 33 Posts: 397 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Stance does have pretty decent valving, I remember seeing this graph a long time ago. DG-5 isn't actually that good according to that graph, so I never knew why everyone was on DG-5s nuts, although that's the only shock dyno from them I have seen. This still doesn't mean that these new Stance coilovers have good valving, it's not the same damper obviously. Like I said, that price is KW, Ohlins, Bilstein, ect, ect, territory. Let's see what they've got.

12-01-2010, 06:42 PM	#70
s14freak93901 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: salinas,ca-fort bragg,nc Age: 35 Posts: 203 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if it's free to run...fuck it.

12-01-2010, 07:25 PM	#72
tricky_ab Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: It's dark, and hell is hot! Posts: 9,414 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	I had seen a HPI version of DG-5 coilovers in the latest Drift Tengoku magazine. It's interesting to see more companies using the same "line" of coilovers...

12-02-2010, 07:42 AM	#74
stricnynel0s Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 393 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i run gr+ pro, and i am far from a pro dirfter, i dont touge every downill offramp on the parkway, but they kick ass for me the stance have been awesome, i rode on silkroads, tein, d2, and kei office, and i still perfer my stance !!

12-02-2010, 11:08 AM	#80
Pandapants Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SoFla Age: 34 Posts: 302 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	After learning about dampers and how to read graphs, I find that old Tengoku graph very interesting. Even more interesting when people say "x" coilovers suck, "y" coilovers are better. I wish PSM offered less ambiguous numbers so I could plot them on a graph and really "see" what I'm "feeling".

12-02-2010, 11:30 AM	#81
SoSideways Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 你老母 Posts: 4,371 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Bear in mind that I'm not here to bash any one, any company, or their products with what I am about to say, but just stating my opinion. Any time you see suspension pieces like coilovers being sold, if the company that sells them refuse to post dyno graphs of their dampers, there's usually a reason for it, and the reason is that the graph will probably show you a pretty crappy linear curve, along with too much compression and not enough rebound. __________________ SoSideway's iTrader Rating!! *SoSideways' Review Thread!!* http://sosideways.wordpress.com/

12-03-2010, 07:01 PM	#83
stockbee Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bowling Green, Ky Age: 37 Posts: 266 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I know I still am.

12-07-2010, 01:26 PM	#85
motorsporttc Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bay area Posts: 62 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	screw the stance I want to find a set of Racing Gear now.....

07-22-2012, 05:52 PM	#86
SlideOrDie831 Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: 831 Cali/Fort Bragg Age: 35 Posts: 250 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	grave dig or whatever. these are built in the same factory has DG5. just built to stances specs.