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[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by beauwalnut

I strongly recommend these kickers. I love them. I dont think you will find a better RMS at anything close to this price. Kicker CS65 612" Coaxial Speakers with Polypropylene Woofer Cones Pair 40CS654 - Best Buy

RMS ratings are probably the most worthless specification to concern yourself with when buying a mid-high speaker. It's just not a good selling point. If you are just looking for a dirt cheap speaker, then sure, those Kickers fill that need. But if you are looking for something with good sound quality then those kickers will fail miserably.

[e5s4y]

Originally Posted by beauwalnut

I strongly recommend these kickers. I love them. I dont think you will find a better RMS at anything close to this price. Kicker CS65 612" Coaxial Speakers with Polypropylene Woofer Cones Pair 40CS654 - Best Buy

I had those in my fiance's car. They sound pretty good, but I still havent found anything short of an audio competition car that compares to the setup I got from Broadfield.
Arc Audio XDi804
Hybrid Audio Mirius M61-2
Hybrid Audio Mirius M69-2

[S14_kouki504]

Originally Posted by Broadfield

RMS ratings are probably the most worthless specification to concern yourself with when buying a mid-high speaker. It's just not a good selling point. If you are just looking for a dirt cheap speaker, then sure, those Kickers fill that need. But if you are looking for something with good sound quality then those kickers will fail miserably.

Not to say that you don't know much about car audio but your statement is not entirely correct. If you are in the market to build a nice high powered sound system in your car then the two many things you look for in a speaker is sensitivity and maximum RMS power-handling. Why on Earth would someone building a quality sound system not concern themselves with a speakers RMS rating when choosing the right speakers? You dont want to pick out a amp that pushes out more power on a continuous basis than what the speakers RMS range can handle. Over time you would kill the speaker. This is not to say that i know any more or less than you do when it comes to cars or car audio but i have been selling and building quality sound systems since i was 18. I have been installing systems in cars since i was 14. I wouldn't trust anything someone at a national chain store that sells car audio would say about any type of product they sell. They are trained to only sell what their store carries. With that being said, Kicker is a decent speaker for people who dont really care for quality sound. If anyone does their research correctly, a majority of the major brands have actually fallen off the market in recent years, for example Cerwin Vega, MTX and Kicker. You would be hard pressed to find Cerwin Vega and MTX in your local Best Buy or any other "Big Box" electronics store. Kicker as fallen off out of the market so much so that Wal-mart now sells Kicker. I would be more than happy to discuss this subject further with anyone who thinks different otherwise.

[knifedag007]

Originally Posted by S14_kouki504

If anyone does their research correctly, a majority of the major brands have actually fallen off the market in recent years, for example Cerwin Vega, MTX and Kicker. You would be hard pressed to find Cerwin Vega and MTX in your local Best Buy or any other "Big Box" electronics store. Kicker as fallen off out of the market so much so that Wal-mart now sells Kicker. I would be more than happy to discuss this subject further with anyone who thinks different otherwise.

While I don't agree completely with the top part of your post, this point is exactly what has happened.
And that's coming from a store manager of a major car audio company.
We also at one time carried all of the brands mentioned above and have since dropped all of them over time because of this issue, and trying to hold up our core company values of quality/reliability of the products we carry.

[laocivic]

here is mine... i used plexi glass to mount my switches and such. Will most likely tint or smoke them and throw some led's in the back

[beauwalnut]

Originally Posted by Broadfield

If you are just looking for a dirt cheap speaker, then sure, those Kickers fill that need. But if you are looking for something with good sound quality then those kickers will fail miserably.

I'm not saying these are the best sounding speakers ever. I AM saying that they are shallow depth and sound damn good for the price.

I can also vouch that they sound better and can handle more power than Kicker KS60, and the KS is the more expensive, heaver, larger speaker. Listen for yourself at the low-end bestbuy store. DONT listen to the sales guy.

BTW, if anyone wants a good deal on a pair KS's that I had installed just long enough not to be able to return them PM me. I switched to the cheaper CS's and am much happier.

[206sx]

[240sxdriftin]

need real photos

[dwnshft2drft]

Originally Posted by az_240

Getting ready to rewrap the old headliner in black fabric (similar to the stock stuff) and install the s15 visors...along with s15 dome light and rear view mirror if I can find em. Next up is the front speakers and new headunit with 4 channel amp.... possibly double din with the HVAC moved to the glove box to make space for gauges. Any recommendations on factory looking shallow mount 6.5 speakers and headunit/double din/amp? I have pioneer REV series in the rear and love them but the grill just wouldn't work for what I want in the front. The barely used infinity speakers will be up for sale soon.

Where did u get the headliner fabric? I couldn't find anything close to oem without the foam fabric..


Stuff For Sale
http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/40348...dm-excimo.html

[Trap Star]

Originally Posted by S14_kouki504

Not to say that you don't know much about car audio but your statement is not entirely correct. If you are in the market to build a nice high powered sound system in your car then the two many things you look for in a speaker is sensitivity and maximum RMS power-handling. Why on Earth would someone building a quality sound system not concern themselves with a speakers RMS rating when choosing the right speakers? You dont want to pick out a amp that pushes out more power on a continuous basis than what the speakers RMS range can handle. Over time you would kill the speaker.

I think you missed the point entirely. Its important to consider RMS when deciding how to power whatever speakers you're installing but it should not be your primary concern. Sure your speakers might be able to handle 500w RMS but if they sound like someone stomping on 400,000 roaches their power handling really doesn't mean shit.

[dwnshft2drft]

You all have nice interior, but it wont be complete without the LED switches...

Just sharing you what I have on my s14 and I do make, sell, and install the LED's... PM me for details... Link below
http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/53527...-switches.html


Stuff For Sale
http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/40348...dm-excimo.html

[206sx]

i was planning on getting some LED's for the cluster but the entire dash? interesting...

[juhd]

Heres mine. Uncracked dash, NRG Rose gold short hub and quick release, Grip Royal wheel, custom made door panels, S14 seats

[Fracture]

Set of dark blue Bride's and a hula-girl on the dash and you're golden. Would be kinda cool to see all this with a brown dash too.

[S14_kouki504]

Originally Posted by Trap Star

I think you missed the point entirely. Its important to consider RMS when deciding how to power whatever speakers you're installing but it should not be your primary concern. Sure your speakers might be able to handle 500w RMS but if they sound like someone stomping on 400,000 roaches their power handling really doesn't mean shit.

cleary you didnt read and understand my entire statement. not once did i ever say that RMS should be your primary concern in selecting speakers.

[ill.]

Finally got some decent shots of my car.

[MeGusta.jpeg]

need to wrap the door panels, glove box, arm rest and probably make a ebrake boot

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by S14_kouki504

Not to say that you don't know much about car audio but your statement is not entirely correct. If you are in the market to build a nice high powered sound system in your car then the two many things you look for in a speaker is sensitivity and maximum RMS power-handling. Why on Earth would someone building a quality sound system not concern themselves with a speakers RMS rating when choosing the right speakers? You dont want to pick out a amp that pushes out more power on a continuous basis than what the speakers RMS range can handle. Over time you would kill the speaker. This is not to say that i know any more or less than you do when it comes to cars or car audio but i have been selling and building quality sound systems since i was 18. I have been installing systems in cars since i was 14. I wouldn't trust anything someone at a national chain store that sells car audio would say about any type of product they sell. They are trained to only sell what their store carries. With that being said, Kicker is a decent speaker for people who dont really care for quality sound. If anyone does their research correctly, a majority of the major brands have actually fallen off the market in recent years, for example Cerwin Vega, MTX and Kicker. You would be hard pressed to find Cerwin Vega and MTX in your local Best Buy or any other "Big Box" electronics store. Kicker as fallen off out of the market so much so that Wal-mart now sells Kicker. I would be more than happy to discuss this subject further with anyone who thinks different otherwise.

I could write a book on this from my 23 years of professional experience, working 6-7 days a week, 25,000+ installs under my belt. But I just don't have the time to argue about this. Most of the competition systems I build utilize amplification that has more than double the RMS power over what the speaker is rated at... including my S13. The best sounding car on the planet uses 750 watt mono blocks for every single speaker... that's even running 3" that are rated at 150 watts RMS. Just using the terminology "RMS" in the car audio world is highly debated and often considered a misnomer. RMS is a continuos rating. Music is by no means continuos... unless you are burping a SPL vehicle. So when beauwalnut recommended the Kickers solely because of their RMS power handling, it caused me to quickly jump in and imply that a speaker should never be purchased just because of it's RMS rating. That's all I was saying.

[crzsteveo]

Originally Posted by jaaanrel

Heres mine. Uncracked dash, NRG Rose gold short hub and quick release, Grip Royal wheel, custom made door panels, S14 seats

dude please share how you got that material on the panels. Ive been looking for material to put on my blank panels...

[Broadfield]

Originally Posted by crzsteveo

dude please share how you got that material on the panels. Ive been looking for material to put on my blank panels...

I have a pretty decent write-up that shows the ultimate way of doing it... which is removing the vinyl from the insert area first and attaching the new material directly to the pressboard part of the door card instead of glueing the new material directly to the vinyl in the insert area:

******S13 Door Card Insert | Broadfield's Blog******

[Magoo1222]

Originally Posted by Broadfield

I have a pretty decent write-up that shows the ultimate way of doing it... which is removing the vinyl from the insert area first and attaching the new material directly to the pressboard part of the door card instead of glueing the new material directly to the vinyl in the insert area:

******S13 Door Card Insert | Broadfield's Blog******

Can vouch for this ^^ followed (almost) step by step and my cards came out decent for my first time trying it

[InsTanCeZ]

^^^ Would that work for s14s also?

[crzsteveo]

holy tits I fuckin love you. I was going to attempt with the black vinyl on and vacuum the back side of it. but your way seems a lot more legit!

[ronny.jpn]

Buddies new car. 80k original miles on it also.

[kingkilburn]

I second Broadfield's comments about RMS. I do sound for dance music events and RMS is essentially a useless metric. Much more important is response range, peak power capacity, impedance, and program rating.

If anything going strictly by RMS(assuming the ratings are reliable and uniform) will leave you under powering your speakers in anything but an SPL competition.

[new2sr20]

I run MB Quart RCM216 in the doors and back panel in my S14 and they sound great. The whole car is also dynamatted.

[MidwestMyriad]

ill, looks awesome

[Broadfield]

Just finished up three pieces for a customer:

[tricky_ab]

Man I love that glovebox work. I would like to do something like that with gauges...

I guess I know the guy to see once I'm closer to getting that work done

[Konster]

That looks great Broadfield.