Subaru BRZ = 240sx Successor

[0100]

Originally Posted by Corbic

It's not just about buying wheels in good sizes, its about having commonality between cars.

Exactly, that is my problem with it.

[turbobrick]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I would like to beat the fuck tard that made it 5x100 with a club. It's not just about buying wheels in good sizes, its about having commonality between cars.

STi us 5x114.3 as are all of Toyota's current cars. So why is this POS 5X100 other than they intend to offer a premium with 5x114.3 down the line.

5x100 isn't that bad as its still fairly common. Better than owning a car with a 5x108 bolt pattern, which almost no one makes wheels in.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by turbobrick

5x100 isn't that bad as its still fairly common. Better than owning a car with a 5x108 bolt pattern, which almost no one makes wheels in.

Common to what... Hondas?

Nissans, Toyotas, Mustangs, Mazdas... they are all 5x114.3

[ghoti]

Originally Posted by 0100

Nice to see some miata love. Next miata is suppose to go back to it's roots and be light again, can't wait!

Also exited that the ND miata will go back to its roots, especially now that they've partnered up with FIAT they might make something great like Toyota & Subaru
AlsoAlfa Romeo will release a miata-based Spider. Will be interesting to see since they haven't made a proper FR layout in a while.
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Originally Posted by Corbic

I would like to beat the fuck tard that made it 5x100 with a club. It's not just about buying wheels in good sizes, its about having commonality between cars.

STi us 5x114.3 as are all of Toyota's current cars. So why is this POS 5X100 other than they intend to offer a premium with 5x114.3 down the line.

I agree on the having "commonality" with other cars not many cars that utilize 5X100 only cars that I can think of are most Subarus and pre05 STIs

Originally Posted by turbobrick

5x100 isn't that bad as its still fairly common. Better than owning a car with a 5x108 bolt pattern, which almost no one makes wheels in.

5x100 isn't very common maybe 5x112 or 5X120

[Kingbaby]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Figured you guys would like these videos. It shows some of the different features they implemented and why and how they did them.

Thanks for sharing those

[K_style]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

It's not really a big deal anymore since the FRZ has built up such a large popularity, it has practically forced wheel manufacturers to produce wheels in proper sizes and the 5x100 lug pattern. Enkei, Work, RAYS, SSR, and many other name brands are already making many of their wheels in the aggressive sizing. No lug conversion necessary!

I don't worry about manufacturer making new wheels. I am sure they will make decent amount of wheels with 5x100 PCD.

what about the wheels we all have in the garage and in the market place?
Simply you really cannot use "Classic" wheels on BRZ only new ones coming out.

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by ghoti

Also Alfa Romeo will release a miata-based Spider. Will be interesting to see since they haven't made a proper FR layout in a while.

[K_style]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

Baby version of that would be nice... with hopefully at least 200bhp engine

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by K_style

what about the wheels we all have in the garage and in the market place?
Simply you really cannot use "Classic" wheels on BRZ only new ones coming out.

See I don't see putting old wheels on modern new cars. Modern new cars should have current style wheels not some old deep dish shit that is out of style. LOL

Now granted the 5x100 is a bit annoying but like 909 said the manufacturers are stepping up and making wheels due to the cars popularity so problem solved.

Classic wheels are for classic cars. IMO leave them there.

New kicks for new tricks.

[K_style]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

See I don't see putting old wheels on modern new cars. Modern new cars should have current style wheels not some old deep dish shit that is out of style. LOL

Now granted the 5x100 is a bit annoying but like 909 said the manufacturers are stepping up and making wheels due to the cars popularity so problem solved.

Classic wheels are for classic cars. IMO leave them there.

New kicks for new tricks.

When I meant "Classic", meaning current wheels we all have these days i.e. VS-KF, AVS, RPF1, Weds...

I didn't meant to make that as Real classic wheels haha..

Though, I understand what you mean by "New kicks for new tricks". I am just unhappy with their decision putting 5x100 on BRZ/FRS.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by K_style

When I meant "Classic", meaning current wheels we all have these days i.e. VS-KF, AVS, RPF1, Weds...

All of which are available in 5x100 now

[K_style]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

All of which are available in 5x100 now

Of course they do. I think they offered that PCD since the beginning.

All I am saying is, we can't use wheels we already have.

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by K_style

Of course they do. I think they offered that PCD since the beginning.

All I am saying is, we can't use wheels we already have.

Yeah, I was just busting your balls but sadly even if it was 5x114.3 s-chassis offsets are still far too aggressive for the car to run. It's kind of like the S2000 where a 17x9+45 sits really flush with a 245/40 tire. I'd hate to cut the body of a brand new car just to fit some wheels I already had on my s-chassis.

On another note seems many of the companies are jumping onboard for forced induction and this isn't even half of them lol
Full Blown Motorsports

Accelerated Performance

Vortech(No vids or specs yet)

[K_style]

Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909

Yeah, I was just busting your balls but sadly even if it was 5x114.3 s-chassis offsets are still far too aggressive for the car to run. It's kind of like the S2000 where a 17x9+45 sits really flush with a 245/40 tire. I'd hate to cut the body of a brand new car just to fit some wheels I already had on my s-chassis.

Fair enough.

[future]

You guys also forgot the WRX, they are 5x100. And also my new corolla is 5x100.

And to ^^^ the car needs forced induction, that's why everybody is doing it

[K_style]

Originally Posted by future

You guys also forgot the WRX, they are 5x100. And also my new corolla is 5x100.

And to ^^^ the car needs forced induction, that's why everybody is doing it

But you are at Nissan forum and not many of us own WRX nor Corolla. I am sure many of us are aware of those cars have 5X100 PCD.

Besides, I have only seen very few WRX owners own a decent set of wheels which in most cases you wouldn't put it on BRZ/FRS anyways.

And of course I think I only seen 2 or 3 corollas that had some kind of wheels other than XXR or tenzo or whatever.. haha

I think PCD discussion is getting little old since there is nothing we can do about it anyways. We just have to DEAL with it.


I am totally agree on Forced induction. Has anyone ever done high rev N/A boxer engine before?

[usdm180sx]

But we are talking about Subaru's on a Nissan forum. If zilvia guys want the BR-Z they will have to adapt. I feel the pain because many 240 owners don't have money. Perhaps they collaborated with the wheel manufacturers to force new wheel sales

[Matej]

This car needs pop-up headlights.

[exitspeed]

Honestly the most exciting thing about a turbo version for me is how cheap the na used ones are going to be in a couple years.

[ghoti]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

[img]AlfaRomeo8cSpider.jpg[/img]

Originally Posted by ghoti

AlsoAlfa Romeo will release a miata-based Spider.

also the 8C spider was limited-production.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Honestly the most exciting thing about a turbo version for me is how cheap the na used ones are going to be in a couple years.

This. Having an SR'd S13 for 10 years, despite not being in an FRS/BRZ yet, I'd think it'd be a breath of fresh air to have as an appropriate replacement for my S13.

I wanted a kouki S14 for forever, but they're overpriced.

I wish the S15 was sold in the states out of the factory, but that never happened.

This is the next best thing.

[MadScientist]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

This. Having an SR'd S13 for 10 years, despite not being in an FRS/BRZ yet, I'd think it'd be a breath of fresh air to have as an appropriate replacement for my S13.

I wanted a kouki S14 for forever, but they're overpriced.

I wish the S15 was sold in the states out of the factory, but that never happened.

This is the next best thing.

HAHAHAHAHA.. S14 Kouki is overpriced? They made half a million S13s and only 5000 S14 Kouki... yes its cost a bit more but its not That much!!! If the S15 was in the states it would be in the Kouki's place. Shit the ones that are in the US are Overpriced!!

I like the BRZ but I can't justify $27,000 to start out a build... its missing to much!!
I spent $28,000 on the EVO9MR... that I can justify!

Alot of the kids going for this car are looking to jump on the bandwagon, and neglecting their future! That is what the Scion badge represents to me.

Alfa is releasing a 4C model, if it makes it the US and its under 30K... thats another story!!

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by MadScientist

Alot of the kids going for this car are looking to jump on the bandwagon, and neglecting their future! That is what the Scion badge represents to me.

Most of the people buying this car aren't young kids actually. However there are actually TONS of enthusiasts that are getting into them. People like you and me who have owned cars like the Evo you mention and many other higher powered cars that I'd never expect people to come from. I.E. Corvettes, Elises, Evos, Z's, and many others making the change. The badge is a badge and nothing more, it's still a Toyota/Subaru product. If you can't see past that badge then that sucks for you.

Personally I originally wanted to pick up the BRZ but wasn't going to be charged the ridiculous 5-7k markups that dealers were charging for them, and it just so happens that Scion has pure pricing, so it was a no brainer to go with the car that didn't have the markup.

Take a look around some of the forums out there and you will find that it is nothing like the typical "Scion crowd".

[MadScientist]

I have only seen one (BRZ) at UNO... the others (FRS) I have seen were by High School kids that tried to street race me in the Evo!! Even had some kid eyeballing the Evo as I walked out of the bank... he was in a TC, and mentioned he is trading it for a FRS!

Yes, if you can't see that Scion is focused at Kids, you probably smoked Camels as a Kid!! I highly doubt people that build and know true performance are trading Down!!

[Cheesy Doriftos]

i can't wait to see the onslaught of used frs/brz's with ruined fenders and quarter panels that will wind up on craigslist from kids unsuccessfully trying to "stance" out their car

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by ghoti

also the 8C spider was limited-production.

I quoted you and added the picture because you said Afla Romeo hasn't made a proper FR layout.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by Cheesy Doriftos

i can't wait to see the onslaught of used frs/brz's with ruined fenders and quarter panels that will wind up on craigslist from kids unsuccessfully trying to "stance" out their car

Why wait for Craigslist? The same cars with ruined fenders are already all over the usual fitment sites slathered in Rocket Bunny overs...

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by MadScientist

I have only seen one (BRZ) at UNO... the others (FRS) I have seen were by High School kids that tried to street race me in the Evo!! Even had some kid eyeballing the Evo as I walked out of the bank... he was in a TC, and mentioned he is trading it for a FRS!

Yes, if you can't see that Scion is focused at Kids, you probably smoked Camels as a Kid!! I highly doubt people that build and know true performance are trading Down!!

LOL You are going to get that with ANY car, especially a car with so much hype behind it. I'm quite sure I remember MANY Evos being crashed by people street racing or trying to do so it's not just the FRS. Hell alot of the newer members on here are that way! In fact most of the teens I've ever seen aren't even going to be able to afford to mod it and make payments at the same time.

But from what I've seen most of the guys I have met are people that have previously owned other cars like it. I.E. 240sx's, AE86's, S2000's, MR2's, Evo's, etc. so it is hardly just kids out of high school buying them. I can admit that the primary target of Scion is younger adults, you'd have to be an idiot not to notice that. But Scion itself needed something to save it as their sales were dwindling, so it only made sense to bring the FRS out as a Scion and not a Toyota(It also doesn't fit in with Toyota USA's bland line up)

As for you doubting that "People that build and know true performance are trading Down", don't take my word for it, check out the forums for yourself. There are plenty of people going for high power builds and aftermarket companies quickly jumping in to fill the horsepower void. Think of it like being able to buy an s13 or s14 back when it was brand new. Was it a monster out of the box? No, not at all. But if you knew that it would've had the potential that you now know that it does have you might've considered it. Right?

Anyways if you want to be closed minded and classify an entire group of enthusiasts under one demographic so be it, but I'm sure down the line there will be quite a few of them to give you and your Evo a run for your money.
Like this one below

[exitspeed]

[QUOTE=MadScientist;4967604

Alfa is releasing a 4C model, if it makes it the US and its under 30K... thats another story!![/QUOTE]

No way in HELL the 4C will be under $30. It's going to compete with the TT n some respects the Boxter/Caymen. It might be on the Miata platform, but it's not going to be prcied anywhere neat it. You know that. Oh and that's IF Alfa actually does make it back to the states.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by MadScientist

Alfa is releasing a 4C model, if it makes it the US and its under 30K... thats another story!!

Alfa... the US?


I've only been hearing that for 15 years now.