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Old 08-04-2021, 11:30 AM   #31
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When I deleted HICAS on my S13 I went with aftermarket spherical S13 arms.

I too am tired of stupid spherical cars on the street but I'm far too invested to change anything on my drift s14 now.

I would see how different the mounting/pick-up locations on the non-hicas r32 subframes are from the HICAS one you have.

I would go with the Nismo
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Old 08-04-2021, 12:33 PM   #32
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Sooo...

Here is an idea.

Since the HardRace, TruHart and Megan are all the same Arms - HR being offered in both Rubber and Spherical, TruHart only in Rubber and Megan in Spherical...

I'm banking the bushing used in the Rubber versions is just the Control Arm bushing Megan sells and maybe interchangeable with a Nismo Bushing.

Might be worth a shot.
This would be the best route. Nismo should have offered a full adjustable arm in the first place since the eccentrics give you like 2 degrees of adjustment..
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Old 08-04-2021, 01:27 PM   #33
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Just to clarify, we are now arguing about opinions vs. one persons desired level of comfort?
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Old 08-04-2021, 02:06 PM   #34
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Just to clarify, we are now arguing about opinions vs. one persons desired level of comfort?
Naw, just the usual suspects up to their usual personas.
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This would be the best route. Nismo should have offered a full adjustable arm in the first place since the eccentrics give you like 2 degrees of adjustment..
That's what I'm trying.

You have 3-Tiers of Aftermarket Control Arms.

Bottom - eBay/Ali-Express trash that fail in the Heim, welds and metallurgical.
Mi-Tier - Megan/Circuit Sport - Cheap Heims that fail
Top-Tier - SPL, Voodoo, etc - failure from poor maintenance due to premium joints

If you're replacing the major failure point on the Megan/TruHart - EI: cheap rubber, then it should end up a solid arm for a reasonable price.


This is a street car, I don't need billet arms with full articulation for some trophy truck baja racing. Stock arms are like 18-gauge sheet metal.
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Old 08-04-2021, 04:13 PM   #36
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Mi-Tier - Megan/Circuit Sport - Cheap Heims that fail
still on my Circuit Sports arms from 2011... havent noticed any wear or tear in all the times ive looked at the heim joints. but then again, i dont beat the hell out of my car... and it was daily driven for 5-6 years before buying an actual daily driver.
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still on my Circuit Sports arms from 2011... havent noticed any wear or tear in all the times ive looked at the heim joints. but then again, i dont beat the hell out of my car... and it was daily driven for 5-6 years before buying an actual daily driver.
You also live in Vegas which is going to be a HUGE environmental impact.

If you are daily-driving you car in the rust belt those Spherical are seized in two years regardless of how much PB-blaster or Grease you slop on them.
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those Spherical are seized in two years regardless of how much PB-blaster or Grease you slop on them.


I'm sorry, it's all I could think about when I read that.
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I'm sorry, it's all I could think about when I read that.
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You also live in Vegas which is going to be a HUGE environmental impact.

If you are daily-driving you car in the rust belt those Spherical are seized in two years regardless of how much PB-blaster or Grease you slop on them.
ah gotcha... rust isnt something i really ever consider due it being a non-issue in Vegas (and most of the west coast).
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Just about to say, looking at their catalog of arms, bushings, and parts - it's Aussie branded Megan.

Truhart is a US company, based in NC. They do have distro in AUS though.

Like Megan and a few other brands, they private label Hardrace arms for most applications.

More than give any zilvians a hookup on their parts for future ref
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S14 Subframe?

I thought everyone was going back to the S13 setup these days.

Maybe, but we know the S14 has a wider track width which I would assume everyone SHOULD prefer. Maybe I'm just dumb.
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GKTech has a nice write up of S13 vs. S14 subframe differences:
https://blog.gktech.com/blog/s-chass...me-comparison/

They also now sell a "anti-squat reduction weld in kit" for the S13/R32 subframe (maybe that's why people are going back to S13 subframes?):
https://us.gktech.com/s13-240sx-r32-...on-weld-in-kit

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GKTech has a nice write up of S13 vs. S14 subframe differences
awesome article! very well written and lots of great information.

my only question that wasnt answered is why is the S13 and S14 subframe offset 10mm toward the drivers side!? (id love to know how to correct this)
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GKTech has a nice write up of S13 vs. S14 subframe differences:
https://blog.gktech.com/blog/s-chass...me-comparison/

They also now sell a "anti-squat reduction weld in kit" for the S13/R32 subframe (maybe that's why people are going back to S13 subframes?):
https://us.gktech.com/s13-240sx-r32-...on-weld-in-kit
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4. CONCLUSION

In conclusion, the main reasons for S14 rear subframe design updates are ride comfort related. There are more rubber bushings and the lower arm and toe arm ones are longer for more bushing compliancy toe-in action under load.

The S13 rear subframe is better suited for use in drag racing at OEM ride height and can be used in the circuit racing too albeit the ride height must be reduced significantly, but that will cause other problems to occur.

The S14 rear subframe is better suited for use in circuit racing with its low anti-squat, but it is recommended to raise it as close to the chassis as possible for some gain in anti-squat for better traction.

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Maybe, but we know the S14 has a wider track width which I would assume everyone SHOULD prefer. Maybe I'm just dumb.
That just means less room for tucking wheels!
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So, Corbic. What did you end up doing and did you get your desired results?
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So, Corbic. What did you end up doing and did you get your desired results?

Hardrace + Nismo Bushings

No update yet on how it drives since I now need to due an engine pull and swap. Was sooo close.
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Hardrace + Nismo Bushings

No update yet on how it drives since I now need to due an engine pull and swap. Was sooo close.
Did you already install the nismo bushings into the hardrace arms?
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Hardrace + Nismo Bushings

No update yet on how it drives since I now need to due an engine pull and swap. Was sooo close.
Any updates on this? I'm looking to cut down on the roaring road noise in the cabin and I figured I'd start with the solid heim joints first.
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