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207S14 · 10-02-2021, 10:04 AM

Hey guys, trying to get my car a little more road ready and one of the things thats holding me up are two things regarding the windows. My first question/issue is the regulators, one of the nylon wheels on the tracks (not the one on the actual glass) broke off and I'm trying to find out if I can get an aftermarket one or if I have to get an entire new regulator assembly. My second question is about the master switch, Mine was damages and corroded to the point that it no longer works and I was curious if theres any aftermarket window switches or if its possible to wire up a new switch for windows. Thanks in advance for any help, would love to get the windows put back in as soon as I can.

Agamemnon · 10-02-2021, 12:55 PM

What year S14?

207S14 · 10-03-2021, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Agamemnon

What year S14?

Its a 1995

Agamemnon · 10-03-2021, 01:38 PM

Get yourself a brand new regulator. Don't try to mickey mouse something that's going to never work in the first place.

As for the switch you're going to have to find used. Make sure it's a 95. The 96-98 switches are different.

EDacIouSX · 03-23-2022, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 207S14

Hey guys, trying to get my car a little more road ready and one of the things thats holding me up are two things regarding the windows. My first question/issue is the regulators, one of the nylon wheels on the tracks (not the one on the actual glass) broke off and I'm trying to find out if I can get an aftermarket one or if I have to get an entire new regulator assembly. My second question is about the master switch, Mine was damages and corroded to the point that it no longer works and I was curious if theres any aftermarket window switches or if its possible to wire up a new switch for windows. Thanks in advance for any help, would love to get the windows put back in as soon as I can.

my nylon wheel broke too, did you ever find a solution to that?

AKADriver · 03-23-2022, 02:07 PM

Aside from replacing the whole regulator (it is still available), if you know someone with a lathe and access to scrap delrin it might be worth trying to make a replacement for the wheels.

I did some googling and there are a few cars you might find in the junkyard that have *similar* regulators where you might be able to use the rollers. Mid-2000s Subarus in general especially. Nissan and Subaru often used the same suppliers for body electrics (JECS)... measure the roller on your car and then go start ripping open subie doors in the boneyard. Take a look at a 2003-2008 Forester regulator and tell me it doesn't look 95% identical.

kennn · 04-01-2022, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 207S14

the master switch, Mine was damages and corroded to the point that it no longer works and I was curious if theres any aftermarket window switches or if its possible to wire up a new switch for windows

The OEM master switch is prone to being stuck in the down position, leading to the window motor being burned out (also a possible cause for your wheels being cracked by the constant pressure of the motor grinding beyond the travel limit).

Yes, you can source aftermarket window switches to replace the OEM switch, but you will need someone to engineer the wiring.

If you're nice to me, I can help.

You can use any from a bunch of kit car or custom car universal window switches. Post up the one you like and I'll verify if it'll work with the S14.

You could also just use any 3-position up/down momentary rocker switch, but you'll have to add in more relays if they're not automotive switches.

AKADriver · 04-02-2022, 02:11 PM

The switches from a D22 Frontier or B14 200SX (same switch) are also almost identical (physically). These are available as new replacement assemblies even though the S14 parts no longer are.

The harness pinout is different, however; you'd have to get a pigtail from a Frontier or 200SX in the junkyard and move the pins. There's only 8 relevant pins (two for each window motor, two for the lock switch, power, and ground), the Frontier switch has illumination which you'd leave NC. Also for a '95 you'd have to remove the lock switch from the new switch and not connect those pins, '96-'98 have the lock switch.

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Originally Posted by kennn

The OEM master switch is prone to being stuck in the down position, leading to the window motor being burned out (also a possible cause for your wheels being cracked by the constant pressure of the motor grinding beyond the travel limit).

After the S14 Nissan started using circuit breakers in the window motors to prevent overloading the switches/amps. Oh well!

Om1kron · 04-03-2022, 08:05 AM

The s14 window switches are the bane of my existence.

I found someone who made some custom ones and 3d printed a bezel so at least if they fail in the future I can just buy a replacement universal window switch.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ74EryvVMX/

I didn't have the circuit breaker in my s14. 1995/96 model. I somehow had the 97-98 switch which has the circuit breaker built in. (discontinued btw) Also a non serviceable part otherwise I would've just had an electronics shop refresh it. Thanks Nissan!

I ordered roughly 4 different parts that fit our car and a frontier switch and as you stated the plug didn't fit, with some trimming I was able to get it to fit but it ended up catching my dimmer on fire.

As you stated, pinout is different.

Just so nobody else has to go through the headache.

Depending on what year s14 you have 2 wires are a different color. Also if you're going through the FSM almost always the pinouts are described by looking at the male end of the plug and not the backside where the wires go in. (makes no sense to me but I digress)

L = Blue

BLK - GRND
R/Y - -ILL
R/L - +ILL
W/B - +12v
L or L/W - Driver Side Down
G or L/B - Driver Side Up
R/W - Passenger Side Up
R/B - Passenger Side Down

https://youtu.be/m4NZnQrsIEE

fun fun fun!

10-02-2021, 10:04 AM	#1
207S14 Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Maine Age: 29 Posts: 4 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	S14 Window Questions Hey guys, trying to get my car a little more road ready and one of the things thats holding me up are two things regarding the windows. My first question/issue is the regulators, one of the nylon wheels on the tracks (not the one on the actual glass) broke off and I'm trying to find out if I can get an aftermarket one or if I have to get an entire new regulator assembly. My second question is about the master switch, Mine was damages and corroded to the point that it no longer works and I was curious if theres any aftermarket window switches or if its possible to wire up a new switch for windows. Thanks in advance for any help, would love to get the windows put back in as soon as I can.

04-03-2022, 08:05 AM	#9
Om1kron Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Granada Hills, CA Age: 43 Posts: 6,990 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	The s14 window switches are the bane of my existence. I found someone who made some custom ones and 3d printed a bezel so at least if they fail in the future I can just buy a replacement universal window switch. https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ74EryvVMX/ I didn't have the circuit breaker in my s14. 1995/96 model. I somehow had the 97-98 switch which has the circuit breaker built in. (discontinued btw) Also a non serviceable part otherwise I would've just had an electronics shop refresh it. Thanks Nissan! I ordered roughly 4 different parts that fit our car and a frontier switch and as you stated the plug didn't fit, with some trimming I was able to get it to fit but it ended up catching my dimmer on fire. As you stated, pinout is different. Just so nobody else has to go through the headache. Depending on what year s14 you have 2 wires are a different color. Also if you're going through the FSM almost always the pinouts are described by looking at the male end of the plug and not the backside where the wires go in. (makes no sense to me but I digress) L = Blue BLK - GRND R/Y - -ILL R/L - +ILL W/B - +12v L or L/W - Driver Side Down G or L/B - Driver Side Up R/W - Passenger Side Up R/B - Passenger Side Down https://youtu.be/m4NZnQrsIEE fun fun fun! __________________ Wayne Edwards https://om1kron.blogspot.com

10-02-2021, 12:55 PM	#2
Agamemnon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lake Stevens, WA Age: 41 Posts: 2,657 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	What year S14?

10-03-2021, 01:38 PM	#4
Agamemnon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lake Stevens, WA Age: 41 Posts: 2,657 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	Get yourself a brand new regulator. Don't try to mickey mouse something that's going to never work in the first place. As for the switch you're going to have to find used. Make sure it's a 95. The 96-98 switches are different.

03-23-2022, 02:07 PM	#6
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 42 Posts: 3,475 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Aside from replacing the whole regulator (it is still available), if you know someone with a lathe and access to scrap delrin it might be worth trying to make a replacement for the wheels. I did some googling and there are a few cars you might find in the junkyard that have similar regulators where you might be able to use the rollers. Mid-2000s Subarus in general especially. Nissan and Subaru often used the same suppliers for body electrics (JECS)... measure the roller on your car and then go start ripping open subie doors in the boneyard. Take a look at a 2003-2008 Forester regulator and tell me it doesn't look 95% identical.