Build for Drift beginners?

[HipHopHippo]

Originally Posted by brndck

Exactly! /\/\/\/\ everyone thinks they need a cage and a supercharged LS and a wisefab kit and a 900mm wide body with a BCL wing just to go drifting.

Like that other dude said, clutch, diff, bucket, spring upgrade. Then SEAT TIME

I missed you babe

[sleepyS14se]

i am new at drifiting and 240s in general coming from a long 13 years of building drag hondas.

My "beginner" checklist is:
OMP seat/some sort of high end bucket
kyb agx struts and springs (altready installed)
bushings all the way (whole chassis)
grip royal wheel
hydro ebrake


my car is being/staying as a DD/weekend drift event car ( i will only drift maybe once a month)

[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by sleepyS14se

i am new at drifiting and 240s in general coming from a long 13 years of building drag hondas.

My "beginner" checklist is:
OMP seat/some sort of high end bucket
kyb agx struts and springs (altready installed)
bushings all the way (whole chassis)
grip royal wheel
hydro ebrake


my car is being/staying as a DD/weekend drift event car ( i will only drift maybe once a month)

are the kyb struts stiff enough for drifting? and what did you mean by hydro ebrake??
i need as much info as i can before i get my own 240 to be safe..


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[racepar1]

Originally Posted by sleepyS14se

bushings all the way (whole chassis)

WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too many people just skip right over that very important step. Coilovers are cool and all, but if you're still running around with sloppy stock bushings your suspension is still a sloppy mess, regardless of how much bumps hurt your kidneys. The thing is, bushings are cheap. The problem is, the labor to install the bushings costs as much as the shitfest coilovers most people buy. Kids just don't want to spend that money because it doesn't make the car look any cooler.

The most important thing for ANY beginner is DON'T GET CAUGHT UP IN THE STYLE ASPECT. Put together a solid and reliable car. Who gives a fuck if it has the raddest "JDM" (knockoff) bodykit, hellaflush wheels, and is slammed to the weeds. If it's a sloppy unreliable mess drifting and 240's aren't going to be much fun. Constantly slamming your head against a proverbial wall to figure out what's wrong with your shitbox gets old fast...

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by zangetsu1223

are the kyb struts stiff enough for drifting? and what did you mean by hydro ebrake??
i need as much info as i can before i get my own 240 to be safe..


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You can drift fine on stock suspension, why would a shock/spring setup not be good enough? This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. You're biting right into the stereotype of a "drift car". FUCK the stereotype. A badass drifter can drift like crazy with a COMPLETELY stock car AND an OPEN DIFF. Granted, I would not suggest an open diff, but it can be and has been done.

A hydro e-brake is not necessary, really quite useless. That's a HYDRAULIC e-brake. The stock e-brake is fine. Really the e-brake is THE MOST BASIC way to initiate a drift. As you get better it should really be used for correction mid-drift more than initiation.

[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by racepar1

WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too many people just skip right over that very important step. Coilovers are cool and all, but if you're still running around with sloppy stock bushings your suspension is still a sloppy mess, regardless of how much bumps hurt your kidneys. The thing is, bushings are cheap. The problem is, the labor to install the bushings costs as much as the shitfest coilovers most people buy. Kids just don't want to spend that money because it doesn't make the car look any cooler.

The most important thing for ANY beginner is DON'T GET CAUGHT UP IN THE STYLE ASPECT. Put together a solid and reliable car. Who gives a fuck if it has the raddest "JDM" (knockoff) bodykit, hellaflush wheels, and is slammed to the weeds. If it's a sloppy unreliable mess drifting and 240's aren't going to be much fun. Constantly slamming your head against a proverbial wall to figure out what's wrong with your shitbox gets old fast...

sht, i agree with you man..all that stuff about accessories comes later for me..for now, i am trying to not skip any step so i wont be sorry later and cost me more money..

for the bushings though, u said they're cheap but where can i get them?


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[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by racepar1

You can drift fine on stock suspension, why would a shock/spring setup not be good enough? This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. You're biting right into the stereotype of a "drift car". FUCK the stereotype. A badass drifter can drift like crazy with a COMPLETELY stock car AND an OPEN DIFF. Granted, I would not suggest an open diff, but it can be and has been done.

A hydro e-brake is not necessary, really quite useless. That's a HYDRAULIC e-brake. The stock e-brake is fine. Really the e-brake is THE MOST BASIC way to initiate a drift. As you get better it should really be used for correction mid-drift more than initiation.

most of the guys in here are advising me to go with welded differentials and i just wanna know which springs would be good as a beginner stock or not..

well first i need to improve on driving and then get on to that ebrake lol


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[sleepyS14se]

i choose the kyb agx and springs combo due to me being dd primarily.

hydraulic ebrake is something i want but not really need (i run 19" wheels so my stock ebrake isn't cutting it) (yes i know they are too big)

the bushings are cheap as hell and being i do all my own stuff at our auto repair shop it is cake for me. Most people who have to pay others to do their work for them would be shocked by how much shops charge to burn and press out old bushings and install new ones.

I advise doing as much as you can yourself to save $$$.

[ManoNegra]

First and most important: move out of Florida.
Your IQ will raise and you'll be able to research the answer to
simple questions.

If the damaging effects of Florida are too high to overcome then here:

- do maintenance on the car - bushings, fluids, sensors, leaks, etc.
- stock KA with 248 cams
- light flywheel
- 4.36 final drive with a 2 way clutch diff.
- coilovers
- clutch upgrade
- bucket seat

and seat time.

[VegasDrifterS13]

Originally Posted by sleepyS14se

i am new at drifiting and 240s in general coming from a long 13 years of building drag hondas.

My "beginner" checklist is:
OMP seat/some sort of high end bucket
kyb agx struts and springs (altready installed)
bushings all the way (whole chassis)
grip royal wheel
hydro ebrake


my car is being/staying as a DD/weekend drift event car ( i will only drift maybe once a month)

I figured out the problem. You drove; liked; and built Hondas.

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[sleepyS14se]

Originally Posted by VegasDrifterS13

I figured out the problem. You drove; liked; and built Hondas.

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lol and i still do love hondas but the nissan 240sx is an interesting chassis with tons of potential. In the process of building a 350 for it now for an increase in power and torque.


Staying on topic.

I think the diff and bucket seat and replacing all the bushings is a good place to start as well as struts/springs or coilovers, whichever is best suited for your needs.

[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by ManoNegra

First and most important: move out of Florida.
Your IQ will raise and you'll be able to research the answer to
simple questions.

If the damaging effects of Florida are too high to overcome then here:

- do maintenance on the car - bushings, fluids, sensors, leaks, etc.
- stock KA with 248 cams
- light flywheel
- 4.36 final drive with a 2 way clutch diff.
- coilovers
- clutch upgrade
- bucket seat

and seat time.

dude what do you mean by move out from florida? is the drifting scene that bad here?


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[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by VegasDrifterS13

I figured out the problem. You drove; liked; and built Hondas.

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lol this cracked me up a bit..but isnt the s2k capable of drifting or the hatch civics?


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[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by sleepyS14se

lol and i still do love hondas but the nissan 240sx is an interesting chassis with tons of potential. In the process of building a 350 for it now for an increase in power and torque.


Staying on topic.

I think the diff and bucket seat and replacing all the bushings is a good place to start as well as struts/springs or coilovers, whichever is best suited for your needs.

allright tnx man


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[zangetsu1223]

If anyone got any other suggestions, feel free to add cuz im actually taking notes and looking through aftermarket shops online..


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[xoxide]

Originally Posted by zangetsu1223

capable of drifting or the hatch civics?

Did you really just ask if civic hatch's could drift?

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by zangetsu1223

dude what do you mean by move out from florida? is the drifting scene that bad here?


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That is an inside joke around Zilvia. The influx of retards from Florida has been astronomical in the last few years. Hence why we say that Florida makes you stupid. I believe we came to the conclusion that it must be the water. Either that or astronomically un-controlled in-breeding.

Originally Posted by xoxide

Did you really just ask if civic hatch's could drift?

Yeah, back in the late 90's-early 2000's there were like 3 people in the world world that tried FWD drifting. All it really was is driving around a racetrack/mountain road with the e-brake locked. Pretty dumb, but I at least see where an un-educated Floridian could get that idea...

[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by racepar1

That is an inside joke around Zilvia. The influx of retards from Florida has been astronomical in the last few years. Hence why we say that Florida makes you stupid. I believe we came to the conclusion that it must be the water. Either that or astronomically un-controlled in-breeding.



Yeah, back in the late 90's-early 2000's there were like 3 people in the world world that tried FWD drifting. All it really was is driving around a racetrack/mountain road with the e-brake locked. Pretty dumb, but I at least see where an un-educated Floridian could get that idea...

Well, I came from the PI so i dont know what the hell you talkin bout and i moved here like 2 yrs ago so im not really one of those "Floridians"..

one more thing, the reason i dont know that much about this is cuz back in my country we couldnt afford this shit..

I saw couple of videos of pros trying to drift the hatch using heel toe and left foot braking


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[racepar1]

Originally Posted by zangetsu1223

Well, I came from the PI so i dont know what the hell you talkin bout and i moved here like 2 yrs ago so im not really one of those "Floridians"..

one more thing, the reason i dont know that much about this is cuz back in my country we couldnt afford this shit..

I saw couple of videos of pros trying to drift the hatch using heel toe and left foot braking


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Look, defend yourself all you want. In the end it's just excuses. What you are doing, here in this thread, is generally highly frowned upon here on Zilvia. We emphasize research and searching for yourself. We get offended/pissy when someone simply wants answers handed to them. We all started off with not a lot of knowledge on this subject ourselves. The difference is the older guys didn't have easy answers at our fingertips. we spent our time browsing Japanese websites that we couldn't even read to find out what parts were out there somewhere. We couldn't post a dumbass thread asking for info on a spoon, it wasn't there. As an example, I was browsing around zilvia in the early 2000's when it was a new website. I was all ready to sign up, had my SN picked out, went through the menus, all I had to do was click "accept" and I was in. I decided NOT to SPECIFICALLY because I didn't want to be the village idiot and ended up not even joining untill I bought my second 240 and was setting it up for track events. THAT'S our attitude. It's not that we mind helping people. It's just that we get sick of seeing the same threads and questions posted over and over again. It's about RESPECT, which is something that's no longer taught to kids IMO.

[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Look, defend yourself all you want. In the end it's just excuses. What you are doing, here in this thread, is generally highly frowned upon here on Zilvia. We emphasize research and searching for yourself. We get offended/pissy when someone simply wants answers handed to them. We all started off with not a lot of knowledge on this subject ourselves. The difference is the older guys didn't have easy answers at our fingertips. we spent our time browsing Japanese websites that we couldn't even read to find out what parts were out there somewhere. We couldn't post a dumbass thread asking for info on a spoon, it wasn't there. As an example, I was browsing around zilvia in the early 2000's when it was a new website. I was all ready to sign up, had my SN picked out, went through the menus, all I had to do was click "accept" and I was in. I decided NOT to SPECIFICALLY because I didn't want to be the village idiot and ended up not even joining untill I bought my second 240 and was setting it up for track events. THAT'S our attitude. It's not that we mind helping people. It's just that we get sick of seeing the same threads and questions posted over and over again. It's about RESPECT, which is something that's no longer taught to kids IMO.

call it excuses man i dont really care and i dont know your story on how you get started with all this and you have probably seen posts worse than this but this is the first forum i ever joined since i came here, i dont expect to be spoon fed, all i want is to know and avoid some of the basic mistakes most people made so i dont end up wasting money and feeling sorry for getti g the wrong car or parts..dude we clearly have a different view of respect..


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[NAIRB]

Originally Posted by zangetsu1223

i dont expect to be spoon fed, all i want is to know and avoid some of the basic mistakes most people made

Dude this is the point he is trying to make. Them "basic mistakes" are things that you could easily figure out yourself by spending some time reading and researching things, and just working on cars. We have all spent our time doing this, some magical alien from jupiter didn't come down an just grant everyone knowledge about cars. No they spent there time an learned from experience.

[racepar1]

Originally Posted by NAIRB

Dude this is the point he is trying to make. Them "basic mistakes" are things that you could easily figure out yourself by spending some time reading and researching things, and just working on cars. We have all spent our time doing this, some magical alien from jupiter didn't come down an just grant everyone knowledge about cars. No they spent there time an learned from experience.

That's it in a nutshell, right on the money.

You don't gain knowledge by asking stupid questions in a stupid thread. You don't learn a damned thing like that. Information that is simply handed to you never really sinks in. You NEED the experience. You NEED to put the time into YOUR OWN research. That's the ONLY way you learn anything. With YOUR OWN blood, sweat, and tears.

Those of us that have bled our own blood, shed our own sweat, and "cried" our own "tears" see is as a disrespect when others are not willing to put in that kind of effort. That's what it's really about is the EFFORT that you put in. Lots of effort earns respect. Minimal effort earns you the opposite.

Personally I think I have been really rather kind and patient in this thread, which is not typical of me in these kinds of treads. I'm trying to pass-on the knowledge of acquiring your own knowledge. It's sickening how that is taken as such an insult be the vast majority of younger generations. I'm not even that old and I can see the difference in attitude between the guys that I grew up with and the noobs today.

[bataangpinoy]

Simplicity is your best friend.

Try and nab a ka24de car at the very least, or something with a stock-ish sr20det swap.

upgrade that clutch asap. exedy stage 2 (3 puck cerametallic), make sure you get the one with the thick clutch pads. There is a version with thin pads, and is not suitable for every day use.

Sticky front tires. Star specs, etc. makes your life a fair bit easier when initiating.

Rebuild your rear calipers, adjust your ebrake handle, and get grippy rear pads. I recommend porterfield R4-S.

Decent coilovers. You can get the entry level D-Max! coilovers for 750 shipped in think.

Rear subframe collars, but subframe risers are the better choice.

replace all your worn out bushings

Get a welded diff,

keep it 4 lug, and smoke out your stock 15's and go party.

[Livid_240sx]

Originally Posted by zangetsu1223

and hey i appreciate u being honest bro and one more question, civics really? i know u can drift FWDs but civics?..i know you are talking about the EGs, EKs and others Tapatalk

Dude, you can't drift a civic.

Source: I own a 2000 si.


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[VegasDrifterS13]

Originally Posted by Livid_240sx

Dude, you can't drift a civic.

Source: I own a 2000 si.


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Park your rear tires on pizza pans or mcDonalds trays, rip your Ebrake up and VIOLA. As close as you can get to drifting a Civic

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[VegasDrifterS13]

Originally Posted by racepar1

That's it in a nutshell, right on the money.

You don't gain knowledge by asking stupid questions in a stupid thread. You don't learn a damned thing like that. Information that is simply handed to you never really sinks in. You NEED the experience. You NEED to put the time into YOUR OWN research. That's the ONLY way you learn anything. With YOUR OWN blood, sweat, and tears.

Those of us that have bled our own blood, shed our own sweat, and "cried" our own "tears" see is as a disrespect when others are not willing to put in that kind of effort. That's what it's really about is the EFFORT that you put in. Lots of effort earns respect. Minimal effort earns you the opposite.

Personally I think I have been really rather kind and patient in this thread, which is not typical of me in these kinds of treads. I'm trying to pass-on the knowledge of acquiring your own knowledge. It's sickening how that is taken as such an insult be the vast majority of younger generations. I'm not even that old and I can see the difference in attitude between the guys that I grew up with and the noobs today.

Very well said. Im only 26 years old but I Have 13 years of experience hands on and have been going to races and car shows for 20 years. That being said, I am only 3 years into my S-chassis knowledge and only 1 year into drifting.

I can see how one gets short and irritated with stupidity, but as an extremely knowledgable mechanic and enthusiast, even I have questions about things and will ask them. Being Rude is pointless. It actually takes effort to be an asshole and read someones thread, then type a sarcastic or hateful reply, All for what? So everyone on Zilvia knows not to ask you any questions and you maintain your COOL Guy points. Grow a PAIR and Talk mess to someones face if you wanna test your WIT!!!

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[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by racepar1

That's it in a nutshell, right on the money.

You don't gain knowledge by asking stupid questions in a stupid thread. You don't learn a damned thing like that. Information that is simply handed to you never really sinks in. You NEED the experience. You NEED to put the time into YOUR OWN research. That's the ONLY way you learn anything. With YOUR OWN blood, sweat, and tears.

Those of us that have bled our own blood, shed our own sweat, and "cried" our own "tears" see is as a disrespect when others are not willing to put in that kind of effort. That's what it's really about is the EFFORT that you put in. Lots of effort earns respect. Minimal effort earns you the opposite.

Personally I think I have been really rather kind and patient in this thread, which is not typical of me in these kinds of treads. I'm trying to pass-on the knowledge of acquiring your own knowledge. It's sickening how that is taken as such an insult be the vast majority of younger generations. I'm not even that old and I can see the difference in attitude between the guys that I grew up with and the noobs today.

look man, i appreciate you being kind enough to answer some of the questions that ive been asking..also i dont care if you're being sarcastic or an asshole all i care about is the knowledge not spoonfed but advices that could be helpful to keep me from beating around the bush for longer but dont give me that bullshit about blood,sweat and tears cuz dude, im 20 i got two jobs and im full time at school so i am
fully aware of what hardwork is and especially in my country and what happened now..

i respect your experience on cars but dont be underestimatin this generation just because you've seen like a thousand threads like this..


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[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by Livid_240sx

Dude, you can't drift a civic.

Source: I own a 2000 si.


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i was saying that to myself too but when i saw these japanese guys competing on drift with those hatch civics, i kinda doubted it


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[zangetsu1223]

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

Simplicity is your best friend.

Try and nab a ka24de car at the very least, or something with a stock-ish sr20det swap.

upgrade that clutch asap. exedy stage 2 (3 puck cerametallic), make sure you get the one with the thick clutch pads. There is a version with thin pads, and is not suitable for every day use.

Sticky front tires. Star specs, etc. makes your life a fair bit easier when initiating.

Rebuild your rear calipers, adjust your ebrake handle, and get grippy rear pads. I recommend porterfield R4-S.

Decent coilovers. You can get the entry level D-Max! coilovers for 750 shipped in think.

Rear subframe collars, but subframe risers are the better choice.

replace all your worn out bushings

Get a welded diff,

keep it 4 lug, and smoke out your stock 15's and go party.

yo bro i see you are a pinoy too..appreciate all the info but how does each stages of clutch differ from each other?..also, is your family safe back home?..heard what happened..


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[Livid_240sx]

Originally Posted by zangetsu1223

i was saying that to myself too but when i saw these japanese guys competing on drift with those hatch civics, i kinda doubted it


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Best you can to "drift" a civic is

1. Go high speed and rip E-brake

2. Whip it back and forth and slide out the tail.

Both will result in mild chuckle amusement at best.

God I need more money for my build.

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