General politics discussion. Keep it civil.

[deolio]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Except it's not their "personal" lives, now is it?

When it's your choice to go or not, yes it is.

Originally Posted by Corbic

So when the teachers bring in the Drag show without parental or consent?

Did this actually happen or is this a "what if" scenario?

Either way, I'd say that's something parents should be consulted about, but isn't worth a half hour of airtime on Fox News if they aren't. As long as they aren't reading inappropriate material to the children with their dicks hanging out, who gives a shit how they're dressed?

Originally Posted by Corbic

Who said they aren't "equal". Would you say a "porn star" or a homeless junking is not "equal"? Would you want your kid to be one?

"Equal" in the sense that they didn't judge them for their life choices and/or sexual orientation.

Equating a crossdresser to a junkie is apples to oranges.

Originally Posted by Corbic

But you don't have an issue with kids going to drag shows. It's interesting that you admit to being raised on Queer and find Queer cool... Now let's do Islam...

I find it cool? I wouldn't say that. I simply accept that some people need to live that way in order to feel fulfilled, comfortable in their own skin, and in their relationships. It doesn't bother me or effect me in any way. Live and let live.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Were you raised and exposed to Islam? Do you think Islam is cool? See how that works? Kevin clearly wants to teach kids Kink is okay and Sharia Law is evil.

Yes actually. I'd say the Quran is the OG bedtime story. Like LGBTQ things, I respect it, they can do what they want as long as it doesn't personally effect people outside of the religion.

Originally Posted by Corbic

So are you good with teaching the other view point in school? How do you make a "informed" decision if not exposed to classic values, religion and foreign cultures?

I never said I wasn't ok with teaching kids about Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Ganesha, and the Flying Spaghetti monster, chastity belts, predatory priests, and millennia of holy war. Religion, classic values, and culture aren't counter to the LGBTQ movement (unless you interpret the "word of god" in a way to intentionally marginalize a specific sect of society), if anything, it builds on top of it. It's an opportunity for further understanding of what makes humans human. A "one size fits all" society is a stagnant, dull, and doomed society.

Originally Posted by Corbic

I'd say the Trans/Queer community is the Antithesis of "well-adjusted" and "productive".

You must be the one living in the closet because I see LGBTQ people contributing every day, at least as much as society will let them...

Originally Posted by Corbic

Grooming Children reduces welfare. Herpa Derpa Derp.

If that's as much as your smooth brain can deduce, sure.

[SupaDoopa]

Originally Posted by deolio

things.

I'm not going to multi-quote because I'm not going to invest more time necessary to explain my thoughts.

No one in a public school following a pre-constructed curriculum should be teaching my kid anything other than what's in that text book or tips and tricks to help make solving those problems easier for them to understand and grasp the concept. This includes but is not limited to 'examples' of things that are inappropriate like "Johnny Tsunami attended three PRIDE rallies for four consecutive months, how many rallies did he attend in that time?" No go. School is for teaching kids how to succeed and build their fundamental skills if they choose to attend college and pursue other avenues, not how to view someone or what pronoun to call them. I won't tell another kid what to think other than my own and I'd expect that same respect from every other parent. If a teacher can't respect that either, they should find another job. My wife is a teacher. I can say whatever the fuck I want on this topic. Call it a privilege.

I'll never sit here and talk down to anyone for their sexual preference or any of that shit as long as you aren't trying to influence my kid or me to have tunnel vision and be forced into whatever shit you're selling. They do things their way which I respect, and I do things my way.

The reason people used to come here to the stars and bars was to start new, better lives fueled by dreams and freedom, not some cuck puppet sitting in a big chair that's barely conscious telling us about how bad the other side is. If it's so bad shithead, how about proving why you're better instead of less bad.

I'm not sure if you're well-versed in other religions or their teachings but to say Islam 'is not cool' while calling someone else a bigot is the pot calling the kettle black - it makes no logical sense. Every religion can be viewed with a glass half full or a glass half empty - it is all defined by your view on it and your biased on what you're reading. When I was deployed, I read a lot of different religious books such as the Koran and the Bible and read them all with an open mind.

I lost track of where I was going. I'm also slightly sad that no one is disagreeing with me.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I'd say the Trans/Queer community is the Antithesis of "well-adjusted" and "productive".

a person who cant figure out how to dress accordingly is probably the last person i would consider well-adjusted.

[KA24DESOneThree]

If you don't want to address someone's gender, don't. "They" or "you" works just fine. "Thank you for the great service" is perfectly normal. Everyone gets bent out of shape about pronouns but the vast majority of the time that you're addressing someone, you're already using the right ones.

From my conversations, most people are also perfectly fine with being accidentally misgendered- they take offense when you're misgendering them after being corrected.

Supa, believe it or not but I want the simple life, too. I'm a small government progressive.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

If you don't want to address someone's gender, don't. "They" or "you" works just fine. "Thank you for the great service" is perfectly normal. Everyone gets bent out of shape about pronouns but the vast majority of the time that you're addressing someone, you're already using the right ones.

From my conversations, most people are also perfectly fine with being accidentally misgendered- they take offense when you're misgendering them after being corrected.

I agree. This really isn't complicated. If I am talking to an individual, it is "you" and when talking about them to anyone else, simply refer to them by their name. I learned this shit working a call center job 20 years ago dealing with men that sounded like women and vice-versa.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Phlip

I agree. This really isn't complicated. If I am talking to an individual, it is "you" and when talking about them to anyone else, simply refer to them by their name. I learned this shit working a call center job 20 years ago dealing with men that sounded like women and vice-versa.

Absolutely not. I wish I was shocked that we have so much bigotry and queer hate on Zilvia. Then again I'm not surprised, this form overwhelming supported Obama and Biden both fought hard and made promises to stop gay marriage.

Referring to another being as "you" makes way to many assumptions about their preferences and is a form of aggression.

[SupaDoopa]

I don't assume anyone's gender because that would mean that I gave a shit to begin with. You are a human, I'm a human. I don't give a shit what space creature, crustacean, or make-believe gender you think you are, I'll address you as you are and if you are offended, write a bad Google review. I have much more important shit going on in my life such as my future and well-being to worry about - not your fucking acronym. I can't believe we made this shit as big as it is. Technology really gave y'all an outlet to be fucking stupid.

[KA24DESOneThree]

All I hear is the sound of hooves.

The Gish gallop is named for Duane Gish, who used the technique often when debating against evolution. It makes sense that a method of dEbAtE created by a fundamentalist Baptist is being used in this instance, because the level of knowledge and basis in scientific fact are approximately equal.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

All I hear is the sound of hooves.

The Gish gallop is named for Duane Gish, who used the technique often when debating against evolution. It makes sense that a method of dEbAtE created by a fundamentalist Baptist is being used in this instance, because the level of knowledge and basis in scientific fact are approximately equal.

You keep going to the "Err muh Gawd Religion" as your attack but I've yet to reference any religion or scripture.

We've already discussed the science, which is settled. You are scientifically and evolutionarily wrong. Biological, Social, Psychology sciences are against you.

The only thing you have is the Marxist Rainbow religion of trying to breakdown natural truths, traditional social interaction and create a whole new subsection of "victims" to rail against the "establishment" for social and political change.

[SupaDoopa]

1. For teaching kids about different races, religions, cultures, and genders? (y/n)

I'm not sure what setting you're talking about. Are we talking about a school setting or just in general? For example, instead of going to math, going to Woke 101? I want my kids to know how to shit in a toilet but I don't expect someone else to do it. I don't send my kids to school to learn anything other than the curriculum which is your standard studies and subjects. The school want to add an elective class that isn't forced and a child can decide to take it or an after school group? Sure. I am perfectly okay with that. However, if you mean FORCING someone into having their kids learning about all this shit, no. We weren't forcing kids to learn about homosexuality a decade ago in school or during the 'free spirit' era, why now? Because all the acronyms got together to make a super acronym with math symbols and punctuation included now? Nah. Pass. The shit is forming into a cult.

2. For indoctrinating kids and forcing them one way or another on any topic?

See above, no.

3. For exposing kids to the realities of the world (when age appropriate) so they can make their own decisions?

Kids are growing up in a technological age larger and more inviting than ever before. Kids are literally being introduced to tablets and the internet as newborns. If you think we truly make the decision on what kids are exposed to and when, you're na?ve. Although, if I somehow raised the most honest child on Earth, then yes. I'd be okay with having a talk about with my child explaining to them about how and I their mother [I'm straight, sorry boys] are understandings parent who doesn't care what they like or what they classify as - we just want them to be happy and safe and they are always welcome to come talk to us about anything - no matter how they think we will react. This is basic parenting, I'd like to think.

4. For sheltering kids and pretending things like slavery, homosexuality, and genocide never existed?
Seeing as this stuff is already being taught in history classes [slavery and genocide], I don't that that portion of the question is relevant. It's obviously no, I'd like my kids to understand what this world went through yada yada. However, the issue I have is how you sneakily decided to include homosexuality - something that isn't a historical moment - in with this. Homosexuality exists and now more than ever it's pretty obvious. It isn't a taboo or something people hide. It's just two [or more people depending on your kink] loving each other. Homosexuality isn't something that's going to make it's way into the history books in between things like the Salem Witch Trials, the slave trade and Martin Luther King Jr., or the Holocaust. So I'm split on this one.

5. For letting teachers/school districts decide what is age-appropriate for kids to learn about?

Schools who employee teachers are public workers UNLESS they are privatized schools in which I could give a shit less what they teach because parents specifically seek these places out and pay tuition. In the public school setting, no. The school doesn't decide alone. It is generally a federal or at least state standardized curriculum. When a teacher applies - I'll keep using my wife as an example because it's relevant - they are to read said curriculum and if they choose not to teach that or don't agree with that, they are encouraged not to apply. Going Wild West and teaching whatever the fuck you want is how you get your license pulled. It's like a doctor just deciding what they're going to give you to treat something. Is that what you want? People who don't give a shit what the rules are do their own thing because in their mind, it's appropriate?

You ask some good questions but also ask some real stupid shit. So I partially agree, partially do not. Make your judgement but I encourage you to keep it private because I don't really care regardless.

[KA24DESOneThree]

This thread is a perfect example of current politics- getting caught up in gender identity minutia, and the non-issue of grooming (in the context as presented by the right), rather than addressing the fact that our former president is trying to undermine the rule of law and our current potential picks for president in 2024 are Old Man, Old Man, Fascist.

Then what in 2028? Old Man, Old Man, Old Man, Fascist, Fascist?

What about wage stagnation?

What about the death of small businesses in America and the proliferation of the Dollar Stores?

What happened within the economy that the disparity between job stayer wage growth and job switcher wage growth, which had previously had a maximum of 2.1%, went up to 2.8% in August of 2022?

It's so easy to be sucked into the culture war- I was and then I got bored when I realized that my good faith was suckered by constant and consistent bad faith.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

This thread is a perfect example of current politics- getting caught up in gender identity minutia, and the non-issue of grooming (in the context as presented by the right), rather than addressing the fact that our former president is trying to undermine the rule of law and our current potential picks for president in 2024 are Old Man, Old Man, Fascist.

Then what in 2028? Old Man, Old Man, Old Man, Fascist, Fascist?

What about wage stagnation?

What about the death of small businesses in America and the proliferation of the Dollar Stores?

What happened within the economy that the disparity between job stayer wage growth and job switcher wage growth, which had previously had a maximum of 2.1%, went up to 2.8% in August of 2022?

It's so easy to be sucked into the culture war- I was and then I got bored when I realized that my good faith was suckered by constant and consistent bad faith.

Kevin gaslighting and whataboutism, shock.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

This thread is a perfect example of current politics- getting caught up in gender identity minutia, and the non-issue of grooming (in the context as presented by the right), rather than addressing the fact that our former president is trying to undermine the rule of law and our current potential picks for president in 2024 are Old Man, Old Man, Fascist.

https://rumble.com/v2vrkfe-bearded-d...tion-of-o.html

The freaks are still coming for the children, but hey they're perfectly well-adjusted individuals....

[SupaDoopa]

I've come to realize this thread is like three or four people shit talking each other about very small, selective details that are actually pretty irrelevant. While it's funny, there really isn't anything productive happening - which I guess I'm okay with because shit talking is entertaining.

The world in a very small nutshell: Everyone feels they are entitled to be offended and wants everyone else on Earth to give them something whether it's money, time, attention, or some other stupid shit that will be meaningless in the future.

Prediction: In 20 years, every day, week, and month will be some sort of holiday.

Side note: I'm not racist, sexist, a bigot, or any other derogatory word we like to attach to people who don't agree with literally everything we agree on, but imagine being a regular straight white male in todays day in age? It's like being Jewish in the Holocaust. People want you dead and they don't know why they want you dead, but they would feel better if you were. That's like what it's like. There is not a single group in the world that gives a shit about us - and that's fine - but it's kind of sad. I'm sure someone will start throwing stupid ass adjectives and shit at me saying I'm a racist, unsympathetic piece of shit and while I assure you I'm not, you're entitled to your own opinion and I respect that.

Long live the poster of goldfish 2024.

[deolio]

Originally Posted by SupaDoopa

I've come to realize this thread is like three or four people shit talking each other about very small, selective details that are actually pretty irrelevant. While it's funny, there really isn't anything productive happening - which I guess I'm okay with because shit talking is entertaining.

Most entertaining thread on the forum! Half my posts are sarcastic, satirical, or a light trolling. The other half are crudely-articulated stream of consciousness that could be compared to Abe Simpson yelling at clouds, so don't take anything you read too seriously - I sure don't. I'm still confident I could get along with anyone in here just fine IRL (aside from zombiewolf, Trump rest his soul).

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by Thursday7

This thread has two sides:
1. I hate everyone not cis/straight and white
2. #1's ideology is pretty fucked up.

^ this is a *perfect* example of projection

Originally Posted by SupaDoopa

but imagine being a regular straight white male in todays day in age? It's like being Jewish in the Holocaust. People want you dead and they don't know why they want you dead, but they would feel better if you were. That's like what it's like. There is not a single group in the world that gives a shit about us - and that's fine - but it's kind of sad.

Not...... even....... close.
Sure, I agree that they are being targeted but your comparison is off, WAY OFF.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

In no way am I marked for death. My lesbian and gay friends and acquaintances aren't plotting to round me up and take me to a camp.
In no way am I oppressed.

Agreed. However, neither are blacks being oppressed, or gays, we're way past all of that.

Originally Posted by nick_d_240sx

And why do you think that is?
Probably has nothing to do with devoting their lives to being productive and contributing members of a capitalist society.

^^^ YUP.

[SupaDoopa]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

^ this is a *perfect* example of projection




Not...... even....... close.
Sure, I agree that they are being targeted but your comparison is off, WAY OFF.




Agreed. However, neither are blacks being oppressed, or gays, we're way past all of that.




^^^ YUP.

I agree my comparison was way off but I also had a train of thought and someone interrupted me at work [selfish fucks] and my comparison went to shit. You get the point. Fuck off.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I am a regular straight white male. Own guns, like cars, own a house on property in a semi-rural environment.

In no way am I marked for death. My lesbian and gay friends and acquaintances aren't plotting to round me up and take me to a camp.

In no way am I oppressed.

You are not analagous to Jews in the Holocaust or people of color or LGBTQIA+ people. You do not have the same issues and that can be proven multiple times over.

This is still culture war bullshit, except you're fighting a war that doesn't exist over slights that don't exist because either the media you consume is garbage or your opinion is garbage.

Look at the richest people in America. Oh hey, straight white people.

[SupaDoopa]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

I am a regular straight white male. Own guns, like cars, own a house on property in a semi-rural environment.

In no way am I marked for death. My lesbian and gay friends and acquaintances aren't plotting to round me up and take me to a camp.

In no way am I oppressed.

You are not analagous to Jews in the Holocaust or people of color or LGBTQIA+ people. You do not have the same issues and that can be proven multiple times over.

This is still culture war bullshit, except you're fighting a war that doesn't exist over slights that don't exist because either the media you consume is garbage or your opinion is garbage.

Look at the richest people in America. Oh hey, straight white people.

Ah, yes. I was waiting for that personal deflection like I was personally attacking you specifically. I, like you, are in a pretty similar situation minus where I live. I live in the middle of the woods outside of Boston. I didn't say YOU weren't oppressed nor did I hint that YOUR life is a direct representation of every other straight white male. I appreciate you letting the small group of people who are listening to you that you're in a great place in your life. We're all ecstatic for you.

I did my time. I served because I wanted to make a difference and be able to provide for my future [now current] family. I was hired when I was recruited to fight a war that doesn't exist. People incite war over shit they want but can't have. It's been happening since life came to be. I see it on the streets every day.

I live and get my news by experience, not by whatever mainstream tells me is going on because frankly, I don't give a fuck. I'm surprised you get so triggered to easily to start having people look up financial statistics of the 'richest' people in America. Is financial wealth directly correlated with people who have never had to face adversity or deal with challenges? Because that's literally the argument you made.

"I'm a straight white male and I'm fine which means all straight white men should be fine. The richest people are straight white men. So therefore, all straight white men are rich." Way to put everyone who is a straight white male into a group based off the success or downfall of a few. Your mindset is exactly why this country is fucked.

[KA24DESOneThree]

God dammit you keep pulling me in with this complete and utter tripe.

I'm like a fuckin' bass getting tossed back and I smell bait in the water and I'm too stupid to quit biting.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

and I'm too stupid to quit biting.

we've been telling you this for the longest......


https://rumble.com/v2vt8pe-four-kids...drag-orgy.html

FAMILY FRIENDLY, folks..... perfectly well-adjusted individuals. NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

[Future240]

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...s-say/3072622/

Hm interesting the city Councilor is the one saying the drugs, sex stuff, where as the police are saying that is not true.

The Boston Police Department put out a statement Thursday disputing the allegations relayed by Murphy.

"There were four children on site who all had a parent present in the residence. The parents and the officers who responded felt it was best for the children to stay in another room with one of the parents and took steps to avoid having the children see the deceased. Due to the nature of the call, and to ensure appropriate follow up with the families involved, officers did file a 51A with DCF," the department wrote. "Information that drugs and other concerning materials were strewn about the home is not supported by what officers encountered or by the information received on the scene."

The fire department report mention these weirdos tried to stop the firefighters but does not mention the drugs or sex toys.
https://www.boston25news.com/news/lo...EMOLLP5MGRO44/

According to the fire department report that I reviewed, firefighters found six adults “who appeared to be males” in the apartment, with four kids in a back bedroom. One of the men tried to stop first responders from going into the room where they found the children, who are ages 5 to 10. The report said the adults were uncooperative and denied having children inside the apartment.

Honestly I gotta agree with you buddy. Whole thing seems weird and is a fucked up situation. Poor kids I hope they get help and some therapy.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

https://rumble.com/v2vt8pe-four-kids...drag-orgy.html

FAMILY FRIENDLY, folks..... perfectly well-adjusted individuals. NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kaBvz_rGt0

^ its PRIDE month yawl, lets celebrate baby! bust out the child porn and celebrate!

MMmm okay, as we all know, we cant paint all people with such a broaaaad brush. But you know, those dirty priests are problematic and well, its only fair we point out that uhmm.... some of those people being put on a pedestal as victims........... are really just sick fucks.

NOT ALL. no no no, not all.... BUT UHM YEAH... this guy.

Lock'em up or do we just call them MINOR ATTRACTED PEOPLES and move on nowadays?

[nick_d_240sx]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Look at the richest people in America. Oh hey, straight white people.

And why do you think that is?

Probably has nothing to do with devoting their lives to being productive and contributing members of a capitalist society.

Supa gets it.

[ixfxi]

https://rumble.com/v2vtiav-tucker-ca...s-winning.html

this tucker swanson guy... and his points. its a damn crime how hes even allowed to speak.

why would the democrats even allow RFK to exist. he should be deleted. hes no democrat. by todays standards hes far right and might as well be filed as republiKKKan. im still waiting for phlip to `splain to me why james brown called JFK a "prince of peace" like MLK.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

im still waiting for phlip to `splain to me why james brown called JFK a "prince of peace" like MLK.

Who the hell decided James Brown, he of multiple sexual assault allegations, he who on more than one occasion shot up nightclubs during the performance of rivals, he of PCP-fueled police chases, was an authority on peace? We're talking about the same JFK that needed a battery of HIGH level narcotics just to get upright every day? The same JFK who, once upright, had a whole assigned staff to be sure he could fuck every woman in the building? The same JFK who was beholden to the same war machine that has had America in Vietnam? To me, Kennedy was honestly no better or worse than any other Democratic or Republican president, Well... Nixon, but (almost) EVERYONE was better than Nixon's crooked ass.
James Brown was an amazing musician and legendary performer, but no.

And since you have no interest in actual discourse, rather than sucking all the air out of the conversation being loud and crass, keep refrain from addressing me henceforth.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by Phlip

We're talking about the same JFK that needed a battery of HIGH level narcotics just to get upright every day? The same JFK who, once upright, had a whole assigned staff to be sure he could fuck every woman in the building? The same JFK who was beholden to the same war machine that has had America in Vietnam? To me, Kennedy was honestly no better or worse than any other Democratic or Republican president, Well... Nixon, but (almost) EVERYONE was better than Nixon's crooked ass.

Since he's been heavily suppressed lately, can anyone explain why the Democrats are pulling content from Robert F Kennedy? Not very open minded and democratic, are they? I mean we all know now, in 2023, that Trump is the devil, Russian collusion, racist, bigot, sexist, etc... and that Grand Kleagle Biden can do no wrong (even with cocaine in the white house)..... but whats the deal with RFK? They're censoring him like an old rap album.

Oh and Phlip, that very same JFK who you say was beholden to the very same war machine was assassinated for that very same reason. I mean, you do follow history, right?

History. Its very important.

[SupaDoopa]

All politicians are crooked. I'll say it again - they're puppets for those who truly have the influence far longer than their four-year [sometimes eight] tenure. Big pharma, banking people, etc. If you honestly think the guy sitting in their chair has ANY individual say, you have no business being here.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by SupaDoopa

All politicians are crooked. I'll say it again - they're puppets for those who truly have the influence far longer than their four-year [sometimes eight] tenure. Big pharma, banking people, etc. If you honestly think the guy sitting in their chair has ANY individual say, you have no business being here.

This, I agree with wholeheartedly. Expecting better of any of them is akin to believing in Santa or the Easter Bunny. Sure, some are less corrupt than others while some are just outright fuckin' criminal but a pool with shit in it is still a pool with shit in it.

[SupaDoopa]

Originally Posted by Phlip

This, I agree with wholeheartedly. Expecting better of any of them is akin to believing in Santa or the Easter Bunny. Sure, some are less corrupt than others while some are just outright fuckin' criminal but a pool with shit in it is still a pool with shit in it.

This is why I was kind of hopeful for Trump when he got elected. Not because I like the guy, but the fact that he had so much fucking money that maybe he couldn't be influenced or if they tried, he'd straight expose them. I can see some traits of that right now in his town halls and what not but everyone has to play nice until they're elected because those people he/they are shit talking are the people who will decide who's gonna sit in the big chair.

I hate politics.