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240Dave · 10-07-2003, 07:26 PM

So I was bored and threw together a quick list of what a couple different types of motorsports cost per minute. Not totally accurate since some places charge more, some less and some places give you more time, some less. But I figured it was interesting/fun enough to post.

Auto-x - $20 - 5 minutes - $4 per min
Kart - $20 - 10 minutes - $2.00 per min
Enduro-kart(6hr-5men) - $300 - 72min - $4.20 per min
Open track - $300 - 120minutes - $2.50 per min

Doesn't take into consideration travling expenses or wear items when you use your car vs someone's rental cart and all that stuff, but hey...I can only do so much.

You guys have anything to add?

*HaLo* · 10-07-2003, 07:59 PM

Let's see...

Drag Racing: 20$cdn for 10 13.5second passes : ~6.35$/min
Our Auto-X: 40$cdn for 5 min: ~5.71$/min

thx247 · 10-08-2003, 12:53 AM

Hmm you guys are going about it all wrong.

Here are my numbers (think cheap!)

AutoX $8 dollars a min (SUCKS)

Open track (8hr day so lets give a few numbers)

3 hr driveing $1.5 a min, 5 hr driving $.4 cents a min. If i broke down my miles last event it would be a little less than 1 dollar a mile. Not bad at all. (THE WIN!)

Karting, 16.9 cents a lap (30 seconds or so) for 55 dollars that works out to 324 laps. Thats 162 mins of track time or so. Works out to 33 cents a minute give or take a few. (The cheapest because I'm not missing work, or paying for gas or the kart or anything else)

Rennen · 10-08-2003, 11:23 AM

Lets see,

My Home region autocross, Ozark Mountain Region.

$20 for 5(usually) runs about 50 sec per run, we will round up to a min for coasting back to the pits

So its about $4 a min

St Louis Region, more open faster course, slightly more fun, but waaaayy too many people.

$20 for 3 runs, same low 50s runs, $6.67 per min, ripoff for sure

Kansas City Region, faster more open courses like stl, far less people.

$20 for 5 runs = $4 a min, but this region has a great option where you can run heat one, work 2 heats, pay an extra $5 and then run in another heat, so with that track time comes to $2.50 per min

All of this is with SCCA membership, as you can see, I like to go to the KC region whenever possible

I have yet to try track days, but as I see it, you may pay less per min on your car for track time, but there is more wear to the tires and brakes at those speeds, so that adds up to the cost.

-Matt

MovinUp-1 · 10-08-2003, 01:54 PM

You guys forgot to include the cost of vehicle usage: gas, tires, brake pads, etc. When I was running my CP camaro we figured each run at an autocross with the car cost between $22-$24. This factors in entry fee, tire usage, brake pad wear, gas consumed, and a factor thrown for wear on the engine and fluid replacement.

Dousan_PG · 10-08-2003, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by MovinUp-1
You guys forgot to include the cost of vehicle usage: gas, tires, brake pads, etc. When I was running my CP camaro we figured each run at an autocross with the car cost between $22-$24. This factors in entry fee, tire usage, brake pad wear, gas consumed, and a factor thrown for wear on the engine and fluid replacement.

he posted:

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Doesn't take into consideration travling expenses or wear items when you use your car

just talking about actual track time
a typical event runs me 300 dollars if you include tires and gas and all

i am about same w/ Thx247 (minus the auto-x one)

nokeone · 10-08-2003, 02:21 PM

hmm...let's see...the last event i was at..

$120 for the day, $50 on gas, and didn't even go through an entire set of tires...

so $170...8 hours of track time in which i drove maybe 4 hours..so 240 minutes..

so about .71 cents per minute of track time...

logged just over 100 miles of actual track miles...

so about $1.47 for each mile...

not too shabby...

and there is another event on the 22nd of this month...

*AceInHole* · 10-08-2003, 05:56 PM

Just throwing some numbers in from my area:

Autox @ Local level:
$15 entry: 7 - 8 runs (including a fun run or 2 which ALWAYS is available it seems) on days without rain (events usually end earlier + no fun runs). 40 - 50 second course (depends on car/ driver). $3.20 to $2.25 per min.
@ Divisional level:
$20 entry: 5 - 6 runs (not including fun runs...) 70 - 90 second course (depends on car/ driver)
$3.40 - $2.25 per min.

Note: Some car clubs actually limit the number of entries and guarantee a certain number of runs. I've heard of the Ford and BMW clubs getting in like 9 or 10 runs on a 70 - 90 second course.

Drift Out Wednesdays:
$20 entry (i think): 3 - 5 runs at 30 to 40 seconds per run (not including time spinning out). $13.30 - $6.00 per minute

Haven't done a real track event yet (spent all the $ racing for a Solo II championship) but hope to soon.

fastpace · 10-08-2003, 11:12 PM

i didn't make it for the scheduled autox this weekend, but for fun runs it cost me $1 and i had four runs, so it cost me 25 cents per run.

thx247 · 10-10-2003, 06:37 PM

lets not get into opportunity costs here...

then the track would be expensive...and I'll take any type of "math" that makes it look cheap! =P

*sykikchimp* · 10-11-2003, 11:47 AM

a typical weekend 2 day HPDE with Nasa costs close to $500 when you factor in cost of entry, membership, travel expenses, tires, brakes, food, gas etc. you could also ammortize the cost of the safety gear that only gets used on track, so helmet, gloves, roll bar, harnesses,... this of course never takes oppertunity cost into the mix.. why?! because there is NOTHING better than driving!

lol and thats just an HPDE. a typically club race weekend is about $1000 minimum.

so $500 for 2.5 hours on track.. 3.33 per minute. Still cheaper than most auto-xes.

*AceInHole* · 10-12-2003, 10:48 AM

doesn't even matter what the cost is per minute. i always end up spending everything i have.

New list:
Autox: everything i have.
Track: everything i have + credit
Drifting: everything i have + multiple trips to the junkyard

HippoSleek · 10-13-2003, 09:28 AM

Having run with a few other groups, I think NASA is actually a relatively bad value (at least on the right coast). I did VIR full w/ CarGuys a couple of months ago and got 3 days @ 100 min/day for a discounted rate of $525. That means $1.75 (excluding costs) per minute to run VIR full!! Doing Summit next month for $1.85/min. I don't think there is any good way to factor tires, brakes, etc. into this equation b/c it is too driver and car dependant (even with several track days, I could have a set of R compounds and brakes last all year).

At a local autox, I'd be lucky to get four 50 second runs for $30 (>$8/min.)

10-07-2003, 07:26 PM	#1
240Dave Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: . Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How much do you spend per minute for racing. So I was bored and threw together a quick list of what a couple different types of motorsports cost per minute. Not totally accurate since some places charge more, some less and some places give you more time, some less. But I figured it was interesting/fun enough to post. Auto-x - $20 - 5 minutes - $4 per min Kart - $20 - 10 minutes - $2.00 per min Enduro-kart(6hr-5men) - $300 - 72min - $4.20 per min Open track - $300 - 120minutes - $2.50 per min Doesn't take into consideration travling expenses or wear items when you use your car vs someone's rental cart and all that stuff, but hey...I can only do so much. You guys have anything to add?

10-07-2003, 07:59 PM	#2
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 45 Posts: 5,201 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Let's see... Drag Racing: 20$cdn for 10 13.5second passes : ~6.35$/min Our Auto-X: 40$cdn for 5 min: ~5.71$/min __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Drivers: '23 Audi Q4 e-tron & '13 VW Touareg SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

10-08-2003, 11:23 AM	#4
Rennen Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Stafford, VA Age: 41 Posts: 882 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Rennen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Lets see, My Home region autocross, Ozark Mountain Region. $20 for 5(usually) runs about 50 sec per run, we will round up to a min for coasting back to the pits So its about $4 a min St Louis Region, more open faster course, slightly more fun, but waaaayy too many people. $20 for 3 runs, same low 50s runs, $6.67 per min, ripoff for sure Kansas City Region, faster more open courses like stl, far less people. $20 for 5 runs = $4 a min, but this region has a great option where you can run heat one, work 2 heats, pay an extra $5 and then run in another heat, so with that track time comes to $2.50 per min All of this is with SCCA membership, as you can see, I like to go to the KC region whenever possible I have yet to try track days, but as I see it, you may pay less per min on your car for track time, but there is more wear to the tires and brakes at those speeds, so that adds up to the cost. -Matt __________________ '89 Nissan 240SX fastback: #23 DSP/RallyMod2/Track Slut '95 BMW 540i 6 speed: Ultimate Commuting Machine PFM Racing www.solo2.org www.midwest240sx.com

10-08-2003, 01:54 PM	#5
MovinUp-1 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Now I'm in Texas Posts: 243 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You guys forgot to include the cost of vehicle usage: gas, tires, brake pads, etc. When I was running my CP camaro we figured each run at an autocross with the car cost between $22-$24. This factors in entry fee, tire usage, brake pad wear, gas consumed, and a factor thrown for wear on the engine and fluid replacement. __________________ Allen Delta Region SCCA SM 1990 240SX SR20DET

10-08-2003, 02:21 PM	#7
nokeone on strike three. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, California Age: 45 Posts: 3,282 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hmm...let's see...the last event i was at.. $120 for the day, $50 on gas, and didn't even go through an entire set of tires... so $170...8 hours of track time in which i drove maybe 4 hours..so 240 minutes.. so about .71 cents per minute of track time... logged just over 100 miles of actual track miles... so about $1.47 for each mile... not too shabby... and there is another event on the 22nd of this month... __________________ panda; rockin your socks from the Bay to LA to SD, yay! Pink GodziRa

10-08-2003, 12:53 AM	#3
thx247 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bay area Posts: 1,455 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hmm you guys are going about it all wrong. Here are my numbers (think cheap!) AutoX $8 dollars a min (SUCKS) Open track (8hr day so lets give a few numbers) 3 hr driveing $1.5 a min, 5 hr driving $.4 cents a min. If i broke down my miles last event it would be a little less than 1 dollar a mile. Not bad at all. (THE WIN!) Karting, 16.9 cents a lap (30 seconds or so) for 55 dollars that works out to 324 laps. Thats 162 mins of track time or so. Works out to 33 cents a minute give or take a few. (The cheapest because I'm not missing work, or paying for gas or the kart or anything else)

10-08-2003, 05:56 PM	#8
AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 43 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just throwing some numbers in from my area: Autox @ Local level: $15 entry: 7 - 8 runs (including a fun run or 2 which ALWAYS is available it seems) on days without rain (events usually end earlier + no fun runs). 40 - 50 second course (depends on car/ driver). $3.20 to $2.25 per min. @ Divisional level: $20 entry: 5 - 6 runs (not including fun runs...) 70 - 90 second course (depends on car/ driver) $3.40 - $2.25 per min. Note: Some car clubs actually limit the number of entries and guarantee a certain number of runs. I've heard of the Ford and BMW clubs getting in like 9 or 10 runs on a 70 - 90 second course. Drift Out Wednesdays: $20 entry (i think): 3 - 5 runs at 30 to 40 seconds per run (not including time spinning out). $13.30 - $6.00 per minute Haven't done a real track event yet (spent all the $ racing for a Solo II championship) but hope to soon. __________________

10-08-2003, 11:12 PM	#9
fastpace Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Age: 42 Posts: 689 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: fastpace Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i didn't make it for the scheduled autox this weekend, but for fun runs it cost me $1 and i had four runs, so it cost me 25 cents per run. __________________ life is what you make of it!!!! "well, I go out, I do the practice, I think about it and I concentrate on one small thing I can change that will have an effect. I make that change then I go out and drive to my maximum." -Ayrton Senna

10-10-2003, 06:37 PM	#10
thx247 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: bay area Posts: 1,455 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	lets not get into opportunity costs here... then the track would be expensive...and I'll take any type of "math" that makes it look cheap! =P

10-11-2003, 11:47 AM	#11
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 43 Posts: 6,525 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a typical weekend 2 day HPDE with Nasa costs close to $500 when you factor in cost of entry, membership, travel expenses, tires, brakes, food, gas etc. you could also ammortize the cost of the safety gear that only gets used on track, so helmet, gloves, roll bar, harnesses,... this of course never takes oppertunity cost into the mix.. why?! because there is NOTHING better than driving! lol and thats just an HPDE. a typically club race weekend is about $1000 minimum. so $500 for 2.5 hours on track.. 3.33 per minute. Still cheaper than most auto-xes.

10-12-2003, 10:48 AM	#12
AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 43 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	doesn't even matter what the cost is per minute. i always end up spending everything i have. New list: Autox: everything i have. Track: everything i have + credit Drifting: everything i have + multiple trips to the junkyard __________________

10-13-2003, 09:28 AM	#13
HippoSleek Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: elsewhere Posts: 2,081 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Having run with a few other groups, I think NASA is actually a relatively bad value (at least on the right coast). I did VIR full w/ CarGuys a couple of months ago and got 3 days @ 100 min/day for a discounted rate of $525. That means $1.75 (excluding costs) per minute to run VIR full!! Doing Summit next month for $1.85/min. I don't think there is any good way to factor tires, brakes, etc. into this equation b/c it is too driver and car dependant (even with several track days, I could have a set of R compounds and brakes last all year). At a local autox, I'd be lucky to get four 50 second runs for $30 (>$8/min.)