[Convention2002] 240SX Convention information

[mav1178]

To all 240SX enthusiasts,

Hi, my name is Alex Chang, and I have been a member of the www.amarok.org-based 240SX list since roughly 1997 (and the various amarok.org-based regional lists hosted on Groups.Yahoo.com). After last summer's successful UNN meet that was put on by Louis Snodgrass, I asked that we have the 2002 event in Southern California.

Now, after months of planning and hard work, it is all coming together...

On behalf of the guys who have made the event possible (so far), I proudly present to you, the 240SX community, the 2002 240SX National Convention.

July 26th-28th, 2002. Southern California.

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***Agenda***

Day 1

Friday, July 26th

An informal social/icebreaker held on Friday night, Speedzone is a favorite destination for SoCal residents looking for a good time with family and friends.

· Starting around 5: 00PM till about 7: 00PM (for food)
· A great way to meet the faces behind the names you’ve read so much about.
· We will have some guest speakers from within the 240SX community to talk about the convention, the weekend, and just to share some storys with everyone.
· Speedzone will set aside a section of the parking lot for us to park our cars together.
· The price of the event includes a pizza/lasagna dinner, as well as $23 of credit towards grand prix racing or video games, as well as a round of minigolf.
· Additional game/racing credits can be purchased on-site.
· Drag racing, slick kart, turbo track, and grand prix racing!
· Price for Speedzone goes up after May 31st!
· More info on Speedzone can be found at http://www.speedzone.com

Day 2

Saturday, July 27th

Thanks to the generous assistance of Nissan North America, the prime focus of our 2002 convention will be at Nissan’s Carson, CA headquarters. Established in 1990, Nissan North America was created to coordinate the design, development, manufacturing, and marketing of Nissan vehicles in North America.


· Event takes place from 10AM-4PM
· Food caterer will be on-site. A limited number of meal tickets are available for sale at the event on a first come, first serve basis.
· One raffle ticket will be included in the price of Saturday’s event for all registered attendees. Additional raffle tickets are available at $2/each at the event. A raffle drawing will be done at 2: 00PM; all raffle tickets must be bought before 1:30PM.
· Nissan will display various production and show/race cars. We will try to confirm cars, as we get closer to the event.
· Each registered car will have a number randomly assigned. This number will be used for both the awards voting and for the track event.
· Seminars hosted by distinguished guests of the convention will take place in the conference room on the first floor of Nissan North America’s 9-story main building in the morning. Exact details of the seminars will be announced later as we confirm details.
· The parking lot immediately behind Nissan’s 9 story main building will be the focus of our event. The lot itself can hold over 150 cars, and will be the center of our convention.
· Awards will be handed out to the best cars of the convention, as voted on by you, the participants! Actual award categories will be announced at a later date.
· Professional DJ and music will be on-site.
· Every registered participant for Saturday will receive a convention t-shirt and one raffle ticket, as well as a convention lanyard. Additional convention t-shirts can be purchased at the event.
· This is your chance to showcase what you got! Be sure to bring out the best that you have! Meet and greet representatives from the automotive aftermarket industry!



Day 3

Sunday, July 28th

Hosted by SpeedTrial USA, our Sunday track event takes place at The Streets of Willow, located at Willow Springs International Raceway in Rosamond, CA. The Streets of Willow @ Willow Springs International Raceway is a 13 turn(or 14 turn, depending on how you count the turns), 1.8 mile road course in the high desert about 70 miles north of downtown Los Angeles. Located about 75 miles north of downtown Los Angeles, it is one of the most popular racetracks for automotive enthusiasts in Southern California. Streets of Willow Springs is a track frequented by many of the major automotive publications such as Motor Trend, Road and Track, Sport Compact Car, and many others.

Track map:
http://www.socal240sx.org/images/streets.jpg
http://www.socal240sx.org/images/StreetsMap-newcopy.jpg

SpeedtrialUSA’s website, http://www.speedtrialusa.com, lists all of the technical requirements to run a track event. In order to participate in this event, you must meet all of the following conditions:

1) Have paid your track event fee by the registration deadline (May 31st for
early bird, June 30th late registration).
2) Have a valid drivers license.
3) Have a Snell SA-95 rating or better helmet. Please note that M-rating
helmets are NOT allowed for this event.
4) Have your car pass a mandatory tech inspection. A form is available at
http://www.speedtrialusa.com/techformweb.htm (Convertibles will require a rollbar for your own safety)

There are 4 major run groups for the track event:

1) Advanced - You have professional/competitive experience at track events
and track racing, or you have been to many track events (over 8 events) and
to Streets of Willow at least twice.
2) Intermediate A - You have more experience than those in Intermediate B
class (roughly 5-7 events) and have been to Streets at least once.
3) Intermediate B - You have experience in autocross and/or track events
(roughly 2-4 events), but have never been to Streets of Willow.
4 Beginner - You have never run a track event, or you have limited autocross
experience.
*Please note that the run groups are listed as your reference. If you feel you should be in a different run group, please make a note of that in your registration.

A brief rundown of the day will look like this:
7:30-8: 00am
Check in, Final tech-inspection
8: 00-8:30am
Mandatory Drivers' Meeting
8:30am-12: 00pm
Morning Practice
12: 00-1: 00pm
Lunch
1: 00-5: 00pm
Afternoon Practice

If we finish the day early, we can get to use the skidpad for "exhibition
runs". Everyone must be off the track by 5PM.

Info on the track event:
· Cost per driver is $110. Registration at this time is open to 240SX owners ONLY. The price is not per vehicle.
· Professional corner workers will be working at the event. Please show all courtesy and respect to them, as they are your eyes and ears on the track.
· Paramedic and Emergency tow is on-site, but please be safe and observe all rules when on the track and in the pit area.
· There is a 5MPH limit in the pit area. If you speed, you will be asked to leave.
· Gates open at 7: 00AM.
· We start promptly at 8: 00AM. A driver’s meeting will be held at 8AM sharp. It is mandatory that everyone attends this driver’s meeting, as important rules/regulations will be discussed. If you do not attend this meeting, you cannot run your car on the track.
· Every car will be assigned a number so that the corner workers can keep track of you in case there is trouble. If you have registered for both Saturday and Sunday, you will be assigned the same number for both days.
· The first run group will be out on the track at 8:40AM. Each run group will last 20 minutes, starting with the first car out on the track. Each group will have a maximum of 25 cars.
· There are four run groups: Advanced, Intermediate A, Intermediate B, and Beginner. Please run in the beginner group if you have never driven at a track event before, or if your experience is very limited. There will be instructors available at the track event if you need instruction. We reserve the right to move drivers to different run groups if the need arises.
· On average, there are about 10-12 laps per session, depending on how fast your car is. Average lap times for an intermediate driver at Streets is around 1:45~1:50.
· Each run group will have no more than 25 cars on the track at any given
time, and will last 20 minutes each.
· Please have your tech inspection completed prior to the track event. A list of tech inspection shops is available on the SpeedTrialUSA website. It is your responsibility to have your car ready by the event. If you show up late and cannot tech on-time, we will not wait for you to start the event.
· If you are from out of state and cannot tech before the event, there will be an opportunity to have tech done on Saturday night by appointment only at the hotel in Lancaster. Please email Alex Chang at [email protected] to set up an appointment. If you live within 25 miles of a tech inspection shop, you MUST have your tech inspection done before the date of the event.
· We will break for a one-hour lunch break between noon and 1PM. During this time, parade laps will be allowed for those that wish to drive around the track. A 55MPH speed limit will be strictly enforced.
· Everyone must leave the track site by 5PM, NO EXCEPTIONS!
· If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Track events
are great fun and a great way to learn about yourself as a driver and to
test the limits of your car in a safe, controlled environment.


***Accommodations***

The two hotels listed here are the official hotels of the 240SX convention. The majority of the folks going to the convention will stay there. If you wish to locate a different hotel, the yellow pages on www.yahoo.com are very useful.


Hotel 1 – Event hotel

Holiday Inn
14299 Firestone Blvd
La Mirada, CA 90638
714-739-8500
Toll-free: 800-465-4329
(800 HOLIDAY)
Fax: 714-739-4272

$79.00 per night(regardless of double or single). Reservations need to be made prior to 7/8/02.


Hotel 2 – Track event hotel


TBA


***Directions***

I will post all info on directions at a later time, or if you wish you can email me in private for info on it.


***Registration***

At this time, we can only allow 240SX owners to register for the Saturday convention and Sunday track event. The Friday night Speedzone event is open for everyone to attend.

Convention package:

Before May 31st:
$165 if paying by check/money order
$170 if paying by Paypal/credit card payment (to cover the 3% fee that Paypal charges)
After May 31st:
$180

Speedzone:
$30/person if paid by June 15th
$40/person if paid after June 15th

· Price includes all-you-can-eat pizza/lasagna dinner, $23 game credit (towards arcade games or grand prix tracks), and one round of minigolf.

Saturday convention:
$25/person if paid by May 31st
$30/person if paid after May 31st

· Price of convention registration includes one convention t-shirt, one raffle ticket, official convention souvenir program, convention lanyard and nametag, and catered lunch.
· Additional raffle tickets can be purchased for $2 each at the event.
· T-Shirts are $12 each, lanyards are $3 each if purchased separately.
· Additional meal tickets are available at $10 each, on a first come first serve basis.

Sunday Track Event:
$110/person if paid by May 31st
$120/person if paid by June 30th
· Price of track event is for one day of hot-lapping at Streets of Willow on Sunday July 28th, 2002. This price is PER DRIVER, not per vehicle.
· A 50% deposit must be paid by May 31st in order to secure your spot for the track event. This deposit is non-refundable.
· Regular track admission rate is $120/person.

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All info on the convention will be up on www.socal240sx.org/convention2002.html (site should be live within the next couple of days)


To register for the event, please visit this page:
http://www.socal240sx.org/convention/regform.html

(ALL FIELDS MUST BE FILLED OUT IN ORDER TO COMPLETE REGISTRATION.)

If you are interested in sending payment, please mail it to:

Alex Chang
240SX National Convention
17026 Falda Avenue
Torrance, CA 90504
*Please make checks payable to Alex Chang

Or, you can send it via PayPal to changinc@ earthlink.net or mav1178@ earthlink.net

I will post up a refund policy for those of you that are concerned about it. It will be listed on the convention webpage.

A few things to note:

* We strongly encourage you to arrange hotel reservations with each other, so you can take advantage of the special rates. Please note that the $79/night rate applies regardless if the hotel has a single bed or double.

* If you are interested in arrange caravans from different parts of the country, email me in private and I can set up something with a point man in each region.

* If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. We will put up a FAQ on the convention website soon so that people can reference the information. If you wish to contact me directly with questions on the event, you can reach me on AOL Instant Messanger at Mav1178



Now, for something personal I'd like to say about this event:

I personally would hope that you all can attend this event, whether you live in SoCal or Boston, Florida or Seattle. It is looking like one of the biggest Nissan events ever, and to show up to it would not only be supporting your own 240SX community and its enthusiasts, it would also show Nissan the type of quality enthusiasts we are. It is a great opportunity to come together, celebrate the heritage of the 240SX and the past roots of it, and see the people behind the wheels of our great cars.

We hope you are looking forward to the event as much as we are!

-alex
www.socal240sx.org

P.S. If you have any other lists you think this may be useful for, please forward it to them. Please also forward this to as many 240SX enthusiasts you know!

[mrmephistopheles]

wtf is a mav? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>
i'm there.

[adey]

Finally!!! A convention just for 240s!! Who else is in?! this sounds really, really amazing. Imagine it, a track FULL of 240s and ONLY 240s! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

three days of events including track time, an official nissan NA reception and karting all for 165?! That is an insanely good price... this will most definately be a MUST SEE (or must not miss) event for 240 owners across the lower 48!!

Sounds like an EXCELLENT opportunity for newbies like myself to get some track time! Of course I'll have to buy a helmet, but that'll come in handy later on as I get into more events... but this'll be my first, so I hope there're plenty of novices out there representin... if for no other reason, then to make me feel "faster"!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

Alex, GREAT work and thanks so much for putting this together! I'm looking forward to what will inevitably be the single LARGEST, most INCLUSIVE 240 event to date and for a looooong time to come! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/notify.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':notify:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[mav1178]

well, the prime focus of the convention is around 240SX's, but I am not going to close the event to only 240SX's.

Anyone with an open mind is invited. &nbsp;This means SoCal-SERCA, Z32.org, TT.net, Maxima,org, Altima.net, ClubSi, VWVortex, NewCelica.org, and dozens of other car clubs.

I am only sending out official invites to the event at Nissan North America. &nbsp;I will probably ask L.A. County Sheriffs department to attend the event to help with security.

The whole purpose of the event is to celebrate our cars and our community. &nbsp;I'm all for sharing the celebration with all car enthusiasts, regardless of the car they drive.

-alex

[Grant]

If I have no tests that weekends or any plans I will be able to go. This will be a great event for people who are interested in 240sx and want to be able to drive on a real track, and better learn the limits of their car.

[onebadm5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Grant @ April 09 2002,02:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I have no tests that weekends or any plans I will be able to go. This will be a great event for people who are interested in 240sx and want to be able to drive on a real track, and better learn the limits of their car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
are u crossin the car grant?

[KiDyNomiTe]

damn. SoCal seems to be too long of a road trip for me and pretty much anyone on the east side of the mississippi. I say that there should be a convention similar to this in the midwest.

I remeber hearing something about a meet in Oklahoma, or Arkansas, something like that. Is that meet going to have a track or anything like that or is that one just liike a "Hi this is my car and its got X,Y, and Z, how bout you" type of thing.
A link would help a lot.

[KiDyNomiTe]

well nevermind my question just found out. I guess it already passed. Anyone go the Nissan Meet in little rock

[mav1178]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiDyNomiTe @ April 09 2002,9:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">damn. SoCal seems to be too long of a road trip for me and pretty much anyone on the east side of the mississippi. I say that there should be a convention similar to this in the midwest.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
It is only a long drive if you think it is.

Russ Gogans is driving out from Atlanta, Yury Lyalko is driving from Boston, some folks are coming from Florida, Frankie Overbey is coming from South Carolina, Louis Snodgrass is coming from Kansas City, Dave Alexander is coming from Dallas, Don Nimi is flying from Vancouver.

Like I tell other people...

If there is a will, there is a way. &nbsp;If you want to go, you'll find a way to go, regardless. &nbsp;Last year's event in Kansas City saw T.Y. and Rob drive out from SoCal/Arizona, and about 20 guys from all over the Atlantic seaboard drive 30-40+ hours.

-alex

[Danio]

Me and a couple 240SX friends will be registering as soon as we figure out if we're going to run our cars on the track or not, who we're bringing along, etc. Just letting you know we're definitely interested, even though we haven't registered yet.

[luey02]

alex, will the gas money be reimbursted for those who drive a long way?? &nbsp;it's like $300 total man... &nbsp;i dont mind the long drive but come on... kidy's got a point

[mav1178]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ April 12 2002,09:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">alex, will the gas money be reimbursted for those who drive a long way?? it's like $300 total man... i dont mind the long drive but come on... kidy's got a point</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't want to be rude, but ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

If you want me to pay you for gas money, do you also want me to pay for your hotel? &nbsp;Or your food? &nbsp;While I'm at it, why not I just go get a trailer, pick up you and your car, and DRIVE you to California and give you the royal treatment.

If you can't afford to make it, you can't make it. &nbsp;I might not even break even on the event (I might even lose money out of my own pocket), and you want me to spot you for your gas? &nbsp;Geez.

No one else is complaining about gas.

-alex

[mrmephistopheles]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ April 12 2002,07:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">alex, will the gas money be reimbursted for those who drive a long way?? it's like $300 total man... i dont mind the long drive but come on... kidy's got a point</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Please tell me you're joking.
At least if you're not joking, that you're not serious.
This is a voluntary event, you are not being forced into going.
Ergo, any costs that are required to get you there and back fall on you alone.
If your engine blows up, do you think the convention planners will pay for it?
All the registration money is being used to pay for all of the events that we'll be provided, not to pay for GAS.
Whether of nt you want to go is up to you, and if you are enough of an enthusiast and have the resources and time available to you, then there is NO reason why you should not go. If you don't, WAIT A YEAR. Chances are it won't be held in SoCal for a 2nd consecutive year. Chances are, it'll be on the east coast next year.

Cliffnotes: Grow the fuck up. Nobody is paying for your gas.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Like I tell other people...

If there is a will, there is a way. &nbsp;If you want to go, you'll find a way to go, regardless. &nbsp;Last year's event in Kansas City saw T.Y. and Rob drive out from SoCal/Arizona, and about 20 guys from all over the Atlantic seaboard drive 30-40+ hours.
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Well if it's a NATIONAL Convention, you coulda at least set it up in Kansas or Nebraska, so that everyone could attend it. Driving across the freakin country is too much... and i think most people from the eastern shore would agree with me.

It sounds really cool to me, and i'd really love to go, but hey have you seen the gas prices lately? Also, driving from SoCal to Kansas is like half as much as driving from MD to SoCal.

[mrmephistopheles]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ April 12 2002,3:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well if it's a NATIONAL Convention, you coulda at least set it up in Kansas or Nebraska, so that everyone could attend it. Driving across the freakin country is too much... and i think most people from the eastern shore would agree with me.

It sounds really cool to me, and i'd really love to go, but hey have you seen the gas prices lately? Also, driving from SoCal to Kansas is like half as much as driving from MD to SoCal.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmm See, class, this is what happens when you do not pay atention in class.
Last year's convention (the FIRST) WAS INDEED held in Kansas! Kansas City to be exact!
Read my last post. If you can't drive to the west coast, WAIT A YEAR.
Oh, and yes, we HAVE seen the gas prices lately. You don't pay $1.79 for one gallon of cheap stuff and not notice.

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='issed:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='issed:'>

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mrmephistopheles @ April 12 2002,6:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ April 12 2002,3:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well if it's a NATIONAL Convention, you coulda at least set it up in Kansas or Nebraska, so that everyone could attend it. Driving across the freakin country is too much... and i think most people from the eastern shore would agree with me.

It sounds really cool to me, and i'd really love to go, but hey have you seen the gas prices lately? Also, driving from SoCal to Kansas is like half as much as driving from MD to SoCal.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmm See, class, this is what happens when you do not pay atention in class.
Last year's convention (the FIRST) WAS INDEED held in Kansas! Kansas City to be exact!
Read my last post. If you can't drive to the west coast, WAIT A YEAR.
Oh, and yes, we HAVE seen the gas prices lately. You don't pay $1.79 for one gallon of cheap stuff and not notice.

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='issed:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='issed:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hrmmm, i've read that it was in Kansas. My point here is that it should be held in Kansas all the time. First advatage, people know where to go after they've been there for the first time. Second of all, you can work out a deal with the owners of the track and all the stuff since it's gonna be every year. And third of all, the distance people have to drive is much smaller.... i just thought it'd be more reasonable... not that anyone's gonna listen <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

[luey02]

let me try this again... &nbsp;if I can read and follow the trend here.. &nbsp;Next year's convention is gonna be on the eastcoast!!!!! &nbsp; &nbsp;

I just think it's unfair to those who live far compare to ones live in socal<---can I use that word?? &nbsp;total expenses will be greater... &nbsp;I really wanna go but that $300 gas is my week's pay... &nbsp;can you guys do a little fund raising or som'?? or sponsors that'll pay some gas expenses??

[mav1178]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ April 12 2002,6:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hrmmm, i've read that it was in Kansas. My point here is that it should be held in Kansas all the time. First advatage, people know where to go after they've been there for the first time. Second of all, you can work out a deal with the owners of the track and all the stuff since it's gonna be every year. And third of all, the distance people have to drive is much smaller.... i just thought it'd be more reasonable... not that anyone's gonna listen <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
First point: &nbsp;If it was in Kansas all the time, it would be *HIGHLY* unfair to those near Kansas.... &nbsp;To be fair to everyone across the country, it would have to rotate from one part of the country to another every year.

Second: &nbsp;Work out what? &nbsp;Different tracks have different policies. &nbsp;

Third: &nbsp;Like I said, if you can't go, you can't go. &nbsp;If it was in Kansas every year, or the midwest, let's see: &nbsp;a 3200 or so mile roundtrip, 25MPG highway mileage (assuming you have a good car), that's about 128 gallons of gas. &nbsp;At $1.50 summertime prices for a gallon of gas, that's almost $200 of gas money for a person that wants to drive from SoCal. &nbsp;If that was one year, that would be fine... but every year, and it adds up.

The point of THIS YEAR'S CONVENTION was not to screw over the other parts of the country. &nbsp;It was to showcase 240SX owners, their community, and the Nissan community at large. &nbsp;I'm not going to defend myself anymore on this matter, but don't criticise me for having this event in SoCal because it is inconvenient for you. &nbsp;I couldn't drive to last year's event, so I *FLEW* out there. &nbsp;So did a couple other guys. &nbsp;Did they complain about the flying? &nbsp;No. &nbsp;Did the guys that drove out from Florida or California or New York complain? &nbsp;No.

Same goes for this year's event. &nbsp;There are folks flying in from around the country that aren't complaining. &nbsp;There are folks driving across the country that aren't complaining. &nbsp;I can only do so much to get people to go. &nbsp;I tried to make this event as glamorous as possible, in hopes that folks would be willing to drive to it. &nbsp;I tried to make it as worthwhile as possible, as affordable as possible, in hopes that there would be many 240SX enthusiasts that would want to attend in spite of the distance. &nbsp;

I suppose you can only do so much. &nbsp;If I can't "please" you enough to make you attend, then I apologize, but I'm not made of money... If I win the lottery or something, I'll pay for everyone's gas money, but until then, PAY FOR YOUR OWN GAS.

-alex

[KiDyNomiTe]

if it is nearer to the midwest I will definately be there. Either way I dont have a car right now so no need in me coming this year. But next year I will be there with an S13.

When I am older and rich I hope to get a pilot liscence and get a small plane (its always been my dream to fly). Then I can just fly a plane with a couple of people and have my car sent on a trailer.

That would be great but also in the distant furture. Sorry for rambling on, I was bored.

[luey02]

hey mav, next time dont ban me from FA then I wouldn't fuck with you...

[mav1178]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ April 13 2002,01:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hey mav, next time dont ban me from FA then I wouldn't fuck with you...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Then don't fuck with me. &nbsp;I didn't ban you. &nbsp;Don't assume I banned you just because I am a moderator.

If you didn't do anything to get yourself banned, then you have every right to appeal it. &nbsp;But if you screwed around, well that's your own fault.

-alex

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mav1178 @ April 12 2002,11:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ April 12 2002,6:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hrmmm, i've read that it was in Kansas. My point here is that it should be held in Kansas all the time. First advatage, people know where to go after they've been there for the first time. Second of all, you can work out a deal with the owners of the track and all the stuff since it's gonna be every year. And third of all, the distance people have to drive is much smaller.... i just thought it'd be more reasonable... not that anyone's gonna listen <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
First point: If it was in Kansas all the time, it would be *HIGHLY* unfair to those near Kansas.... To be fair to everyone across the country, it would have to rotate from one part of the country to another every year.

Second: Work out what? Different tracks have different policies.

Third: Like I said, if you can't go, you can't go. If it was in Kansas every year, or the midwest, let's see: a 3200 or so mile roundtrip, 25MPG highway mileage (assuming you have a good car), that's about 128 gallons of gas. At $1.50 summertime prices for a gallon of gas, that's almost $200 of gas money for a person that wants to drive from SoCal. If that was one year, that would be fine... but every year, and it adds up.

The point of THIS YEAR'S CONVENTION was not to screw over the other parts of the country. It was to showcase 240SX owners, their community, and the Nissan community at large. I'm not going to defend myself anymore on this matter, but don't criticise me for having this event in SoCal because it is inconvenient for you. I couldn't drive to last year's event, so I *FLEW* out there. So did a couple other guys. Did they complain about the flying? No. Did the guys that drove out from Florida or California or New York complain? No.

Same goes for this year's event. There are folks flying in from around the country that aren't complaining. There are folks driving across the country that aren't complaining. I can only do so much to get people to go. I tried to make this event as glamorous as possible, in hopes that folks would be willing to drive to it. I tried to make it as worthwhile as possible, as affordable as possible, in hopes that there would be many 240SX enthusiasts that would want to attend in spite of the distance.

I suppose you can only do so much. If I can't "please" you enough to make you attend, then I apologize, but I'm not made of money... If I win the lottery or something, I'll pay for everyone's gas money, but until then, PAY FOR YOUR OWN GAS.

-alex</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmm why do u always say 'socal'? So $200 for gas for you is too much but $300 for everyone else - you couldn't care less. Well, lets put it this way. If it was all the time in kansas, i'd be going there every year not a problem. But this way i have to be skipping some of them because the meet is on hte west coast.... Anyways, that was my opinion.

Kre

PS. i dont really give a shit, just arguing for the point of arguining. If you are calling this a NATIONAL convention, than make sure everyone can attend

[DrDubbleB]

Bah. &nbsp;There's no way even in a "national convention" that they can insure that everyone can attend. &nbsp;The only reason it's called a national convention is because it is such a large event. &nbsp;I mean Nissan is going to be showing some of their concepts to the 240 community and only the 240 community for christ sakes. &nbsp;Sorry guys, I live on the East Coast, and for some of you to be asking for them to pay for your gas, or have a fund raiser to pay for your gas is absurd. &nbsp;I mean they are not a charity organization. &nbsp;

I could go on, but I'm not thinking straight right now, I'm just baffled at some of the rediculous arguments some of you are making.

P.S. Kansas City is MUCH closer to the East Coast than it is the West Coast, so it would still be unfair.

[jskim9]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ April 12 2002,2:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmm why do u always say 'socal'? So $200 for gas for you is too much but $300 for everyone else - you couldn't care less. Well, lets put it this way. If it was all the time in kansas, i'd be going there every year not a problem. But this way i have to be skipping some of them because the meet is on hte west coast.... Anyways, that was my opinion.

Kre

PS. i dont really give a shit, just arguing for the point of arguining. If you are calling this a NATIONAL convention, than make sure everyone can attend</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ONLY for those that have been complaining:

damn you guys are friggin idiots!!! DON'T WORRY! this convention will go on without every 240sx owner on the Continental US attending... including everyone bitching about it being in LA. If YOU really want it in your neck of the woods... by all means, summer of 2003 will be hosted in your backyard. Only thing is, YOU have to find a track, hotel discount, friday and saturday event setup. &nbsp;Get t shirts printed up, coordinate with the other 240sx groups (Atlanta, Southeast, Midwest, Florida, NorCal, Socal, Canada, etc etc) and of course... promo... You have to go around to every forum around and invite people there where you'll run into IDIOTs like yourselves bitching about why it's not held where it's most convenient to "EVERYONE".

Neither the 240sx community, SoCal240sx, nor does Mav1178 owe YOU or your extended family anything! It be great if everyone could make it, but everyone's gotta life to live. Those that could accommodate, awesome, can't wait to see you this July, if you can't... too bad, maybe next time. If you don't wanna/can't drive out to LA, once again, too bad, maybe next time. But don't be bitching about it.

NOBODY could care less whether you can make it here or not. Mav1178 posted this for those that CAN make it, not to tease those of you that CAN'T. Most of the core people that started off with the original Amarok list will be there, and honestly, as long as they are, this convention will be a success. Those that have been bitching about it seems to be the newbies to the community and NO, nobody owes you a more convenient place. &nbsp;

Fact is, LA is at the other end of the country, and yea, Kansas does make a lot of sense, or Nebraska, or Texas, or wherever the hell YOU want it. THEREFORE, next year or somewhere down the line, be sure YOU take it upon yourself to organize it, then YOU can make the selection as to its location.

FOR everyone else that hasn't complained:

hope you could make it out here, and if you can't, try to make the next one. If you are driving out here, drive safe.

[Grant]

BOTTOM LINE IS: If you can't afford to go, don't go. Stop whining.
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Just wait until next year or so when the event takes place in you area.
I think it is a ridiculous idea to have Alex reimburse people for gas money, you are to come at you own will, Alex did not force you. This isn't some RSVP to a house party.

I think driving 2-3 hours to the event is too much money, and I have to take 2 days off work. &nbsp;Should I ask Alex to reimburse me? its only $30!!? No, I'm not an idiot. thats probably hundreds of people coming out of state or from other areas of california. What should alex do, take out a loan?? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

Alex is the host of this event, and he lives in Southern California (socal), not east coast or Kansas. That is why it is in Socal. You want one in another state? well maybe you should try to host it, or find someone in that state to host it.

Hope too see you guys there, but if you got to whine about the costs, or you can't afford it and you think Alex owes you something, do us all a favor, shut up and stay home. &nbsp;

ok so let me rephrase that, hopefully I'll see most of you 240sx guys, or at least the ones whose brains somewhat functions properly. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

[Kreator]

Ok ok, people relax. Why the hell does everyone have to get offended and start screaming shit? Fine, don't make it kansas city, make someplace that is right in the middle of the US.... as for the money issue, i don't really care about money as much as time. Cuz lets see, from DC to LA is gonna take what? 2 days of nonstop driving? Divide that by 2, you get 4 days of 12 hour driving.... that's alot. But anyways. Unfortunately i won't make it there <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>. But hope everyone who goes will have fun <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>.

Kre

Edit: Ahem.. do we have any Alaskan 240sx owners? (maybe a dumb question... a rwd in Alaska...)

Edit2: Oh god, i just noticed jskim9's msg. Jee, dude, chill. Got enough money to go to the meet? good for you. I'm waiting for the next year. I'm not asking anyone to put it in my town or even close to it. Kansas is as far away from me as from socal. Honestly you sounded like a 16 yr old there with all the "you" in capslock. I'm not asking for anything, just making a suggestion.

[luey02]

gee, did you guys really think I was serious?? &nbsp; &nbsp;reimbursing gas money... lol.. &nbsp;I just wanted to mess with him cuz FA moderators are a bunch of tightasses.. &nbsp;

but dont get me wrong, it is nice to have someone organize something like this for the 240sx community... althought I can't make it this yr. &nbsp;hope things go well.

I'm a newbie?? &nbsp;hey, I worked hard for my 250 posts..

[Grant]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ April 14 2002,4:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">gee, did you guys really think I was serious?? reimbursing gas money... lol.. I just wanted to mess with him cuz FA moderators are a bunch of tightasses..

but dont get me wrong, it is nice to have someone organize something like this for the 240sx community... althought I can't make it this yr. hope things go well.

I'm a newbie?? hey, I worked hard for my 250 posts..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You got a grudge with Alex? Take it up with him personally. You got a problem with FA mods? Theres a feedback forum over there to whine.

Alex put a lot of time and effort into this event, nothing to make a joke out of.

You guys want a meet in the middle of the US? like I said before, find someone in the middle of the US to plan it!

I know its a joke luey, but please. stop f**king around.
Anyone can be a newbie, anyone can have 1000 posts, but when something goes in one ear and out the other, the person's still a dumba$$.

[luey02]

well, actually, I am.

[wazneeni]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Alex is the host of this event, and he lives in Southern California (socal), not east coast or Kansas. That is why it is in Socal. You want one in another state? well maybe you should try to host it, or find someone in that state to host it.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

That's not why it's in SoCal!! I can't believe this hasn't been said yet in this topic. It's in SoCal because that's where most of us wanted it. And when I say "us," I'm not just talking about Zilvia. There was a multi-board/list, nationwide survey done last year asking where the 2002 Convention should be. SoCal won out.

Now, you'll probably say, "What survey? I didn't get to vote. There's lots of new people who weren't here then. That's not fair!! Blah,blah,blah...!!"

If you weren't here, then what you think about where the 2002 Convention should be does not matter in any way. I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just the truth.

Alex has already been asking for input for the location of the 2003 Convention. I'm voting for Atlanta. Why? Not because it's close...i live in Omaha. It's because I was born down there and I love it. In fact, I just drove down there in January to hang out w/ the Atlanta 240 guys...well, and to see friends I hadn't seen in 15 years. Anyway, that was the best 3000 miles I've ever driven.

One way or another, I will be in SoCal. Not sure if I'll drive my 240, trailer my 240 or fly out there...but, I WILL be there.