I heard a PINK car burndown....

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Spill the beans fruitcakes.

[sr240mike]

HUH? Did I miss something?

[Ricer240sx]

it better not have, if it did im gunna fast for 7 days and 7 nights all the while wheeping for the loss

[Andrew Bohan]

it wasn't that bad

[TRUENOCOUPE]

So it did....

wtf happen. Spill the beans, beaners.

[Ghst 01]

Inquiring minds want to know.........................

[phrozen]

electrical wire burnt to hell that ran to the fuel pump, and the cars wiring is fucked in the frist place, and has been gehtto rigged and man do i mean gehtto. well anyways for now its hard wired to the battery and vars gonna redo it later, we just had to rig it so it would drive home. who ever did the wiring b4 tapped too many wires to 1 power or 1 ground bare wire crimps of solder or exposed wire.. someone didnt know what they were doing thats for sure. but yea its driving for the most part

[D1drifter]

Originally Posted by Ricer240sx

yeah, wasnt that car bought here and shipped to japan with the intent of building the ka?? i dont think i would trust a japaneese person swaping an SR into a KA. lol just cause they dont know the motor there comming form i guess hehe. now if it was an american and a japaneese working together that would be awsome hehehehe

WTF??? UMM noo.....

[knghtryde]

What the Fuck.... A bunch of peeps talking about different stuff... What happened to Varrs car....

[Var]

Ok so Jason(phrozen) has it right . Wiring was ghetto rigged. The fuel pump relay circuit in the front has a major short somewhere along the harness. Insteaed of figuring the problem out, whoever built the car just bypassed it and ran a relay to the back of the car(which was just sitting in the trunk). So i did some donuts and drifted a couple of turns.. when i parked the car everyone was yelling that there was smoke in the hatch. So i turned the key off and we see the ground wire for the fuel pump has melted to bare wire cause it got so hot. The car had a history of problems with the fuel pump circuit but nothing this extreme. So i dont trust the fuel pump circuit anymore and i'm not going to use it. I'm gonna use manual switch for the fuel pump, rally car style with thick guage wiring and a fuse and a relay. I'm just happy that the melting wire coupled with leaking gas tank o-ring didnt cause my car to explode.

[JH]

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

Ok so Jason(phrozen) has it right . Wiring was ghetto rigged. The fuel pump relay circuit in the front has a major short somewhere along the harness. Insteaed of figuring the problem out, whoever built the car just bypassed it and ran a relay to the back of the car(which was just sitting in the trunk). So i did some donuts and drifted a couple of turns.. when i parked the car everyone was yelling that there was smoke in the hatch. So i turned the key off and we see the ground wire for the fuel pump has melted to bare wire cause it got so hot. The car had a history of problems with the fuel pump circuit but nothing this extreme. So i dont trust the fuel pump circuit anymore and i'm not going to use it. I'm gonna use manual switch for the fuel pump, rally car style with thick guage wiring and a fuse and a relay. I'm just happy that the melting wire coupled with leaking gas tank o-ring didnt cause my car to explode.

So your fix to the "ghetto rigged" wiring is to re-ghetto rig it? Are you sure that's the right course of action there...? Perhaps it would behoove you to try and find what the real cause of the short is.... maybe pull the pump and check the wiring there too? The route that you plan on taking sounds like the same route the original original owner took in rewiring the fuel pump in the first place... band aid solutions can only last so long if there's a bigger problem to contend with. Go norcal 240 people!

[Var]

Originally Posted by JH

So your fix to the "ghetto rigged" wiring is to re-ghetto rig it? Are you sure that's the right course of action there...? Perhaps it would behoove you to try and find what the real cause of the short is.... maybe pull the pump and check the wiring there too? The route that you plan on taking sounds like the same route the original original owner took in rewiring the fuel pump in the first place... band aid solutions can only last so long if there's a bigger problem to contend with. Go norcal 240 people!

The only problem has been with the fuel pump circuit. I dont want to run any power through that part of the harness anymore. I'd rather trust my own wiring. I pulled the fuel pump and the wiring seems legit..it's a factory nissan pump probably from a z32. So what's so ghetto about running fresh wiring from scratch to a switch with the proper fuse and relay setup? Well if you want you can re-wire my whole car for me.

Also i forgot in my last post to mention that my friends stuck around till 2 am trying to fix the problem. I really appreciate all you guys who helped. And it turns out the Lazy Penguins arent so lazy after all.

[Var]

i did a little search and found out that the fuel pump had problems before but the previous owner claimed it was never anything drastic like this


http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...996#post343996

[TRUENOCOUPE]

When buying used car.

1. Carfax. No that won't work.

2. Take it to the NISMO Dealer. No that won't work.

3. It looks good. Thats ready to go. No that won't work.

You are buying a car that has shitload of aftermarket units. You should be inspecting everything from in and out of the car. Suspension, Wirings, Compression testing, Belts, Spark PLugs etc...

Damn. I was hoping it got burn down.

-Dick

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

i did a little search and found out that the fuel pump had problems before but the previous owner claimed it was never anything drastic like this


http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...996#post343996

If you are buying a used car from the Dealer. I don't think they will give you each details of the car.

"umm the car was umm yeah"

Come on now.

[phrozen]

we hard wired it so he could drive it home and out of a random parking lot where the car started having problems... its gehtto in its own way but at least he got it home so he can fix it the right way. and yes, go norcal! were freakin cool mother #$@*($

[JH]

Instead of thinking that you have solved the problem and come to the ultimate conclusion, you should maybe take a step back and look at the problem from a more logical and systematic pov... and maybe just perhaps be open-minded to advice from 3rd party sources who aren't as narrow.
In this case, if you know that the fuel pump is the problem, and that it has been a problem prior, then is the REAL solution to leave the remnants of two bad harnesses (the original, if it was indeed the problem, and the second, "ghetto-rigged/norcal 240" wiring) and build a third setup that will most likely also end up failing too? From the description of what happened, it sounds like a simple short that's causing the wiring to melt and burn up.... now, think about this logic: if it caused the FIRST harness (i.e. the oem one) to fail, and then caused the second one (didn't one of the people who helped you get the car running again partake in the rewiring of the fuel pump with this second iteration too?) to also burn up.... just maybe it's not the wiring that's the problem?!?! Get a multimeter, check continuity... check resistance... check shorts...hunt down the problem before band aiding it with a solution that-worst case scenario-ends up leaving the pink car in a charred heap in on the side of the road somewhere. Pull the fuel pump and check the wiring there.... how safe is it to assume that the original original owner who swapped the pump (the same one who was incompetent enough to "ghetto-rig" the wiring to it afterwards) did a shoddy job connecting the fuel pump wiring and that it's got an intermittent short across the pwr/gnd wires? Pretty dang SAFE bet that that might be a problem... so instead of thinking you're the bad ass and have solved the problem with another norcal 240 fix, delve further and try to actually sovle the problem instead of masking it. And if it's beyond your mechanical capabilities to do so, try and seek help. It doesn't hurt to ask questions when you don't know (and you actually are willing to learn)... it does help when you surround yourself with like-minded people who think it's bad ass to continue "ghetto rigging" cuz you gotta wonder why they don't suggest that you take the correct problem-solving route in the first place...

[kazuo]

If you haven't seen the car, or weren't there, please stop making assumptions.

Running direct power to the pump via a switch is not "ghetto rig" -- WRC cars are setup that way. It also helps when said setup is FUSED PROPERLY and uses THICKER GAUGE WIRE than the GHETTO RIG relay that used fucking 18 gauge wire (possibly 16) on something that would draw as much current as a fuel pump, and was POORLY GROUNDED to boot.

We also already determined that there wass a problem with the stock wiring after trying it (but not that we really needed to try the stock wiring, cus why else would they put a relay back there?), but we tried it anyway just to see.

It would appear that the wiring to the ECCS is bad, its shorting itself somewhere along the line to the pump as it is blowing the 10A fuse.

That is just a guess. We'll have to play with it or simply replace the interior harness and the fuel pump assembly.

It also probably has something to do with greater current draw from the larger pump; unlike a Walbro pump (which apparently was supposed to be in the car, but isn't), Z32/GTR pumps have more current draw, which could have contributed to the problem. And the pump was too big to be stock. But I may just be trippin', cus I haven't seen a stock pump in awhile.

Anyhow, running a switch to the pump will be fine for now, as all he needed to do was get the car home, and we'll figure out the rest later.

Hey JH, why not come help us out with the car? I'm sure you're quite familiar with it...

[JH]

What exactly am I assuming? Everything I've stated so far is true: 1) that the owner has already stated that his plan is to run yet another non-oem style wiring setup to the fuel pump, while 2) the owner did not check the fuel pump itself among many other things that should be inspected, when 3) it's very very highly possible that the problem was not in the harnesses themselves, and 4) it's not a good idea to think that going with #1 will solve #3.

Running direct power to the pump IS ghetto rigged when it's done BECAUSE of previous failures and greater problems that are not addressed in the first place. That's like if your computer had a bad ass virus or malware that caused memory management issues, and your fix is to keep adding RAM so that you can still surf porn, but you never really solve the real problem. AND THEN, you justify it by saying, well, all the best computers in the world run lots of RAM!

And the oem S13 wiring can handle a Z32 fuel pump-when installed correctly-without a problem.

[autobahNESSA]

Who is this JH guy?
Were you even there? Did you not read. They gettho rigged it to get it home. But there gettho rigging was much better then what was done before.

The car is a track car, so he can wire it however he wants. there is problems with the stock wriring that are not that easily fixed. The whole damn car should get rewried. but since it is a track car, running your own wiring is fine.
"If you haven't seen the car, or weren't there, please stop making assumptions." Kazuo

[JH]

Originally Posted by bayarea240

Who is this JH guy?
Were you even there? Did you not read. They gettho rigged it to get it home. But there gettho rigging was much better then what was done before.

The car is a track car, so he can wire it however he wants. there is problems with the stock wriring that are not that easily fixed. The whole damn car should get rewried. but since it is a track car, running your own wiring is fine.
"If you haven't seen the car, or weren't there, please stop making assumptions." Kazuo

You guys still don't quite understand... the ghetto rigging I am referring to is the one that WILL take place later, according to the car's owner. The ghetto rigging of hard wiring the fuel pump just to get the car moving is understandable and commendable, but the ghetto rigging that is planned for getting the car running again (and who knows for how long before the existing problem causes another meltdown of THAT ghetto rig), is NOT.

I am in no way associated with the owner or the car or anything... And I am just using my friend's handle on here because I've never wanted a zilvia login cuz this place hurts my head...

EDIT: To spell this out.. here's why the planned "fix" is also a poor ghetto rig idea... other than the fact that it does NOTHING to solve the real problem: If this meltdown did not occur, would the owner have decided to run a direct line to the fuel pump through an external switch and relay? OR is he planning on doing that ONLY BECAUSE there was a meltdown? THINK about that one pls....

[s13chica]

Please, take personal matters to PM

[Var]

Take it to PM buddy

[Var]

Originally Posted by JH

EDIT: To spell this out.. here's why the planned "fix" is also a poor ghetto rig idea... other than the fact that it does NOTHING to solve the real problem: If this meltdown did not occur, would the owner have decided to run a direct line to the fuel pump through an external switch and relay? OR is he planning on doing that ONLY BECAUSE there was a meltdown? THINK about that one pls....

No i wouldnt and you have a point. Do you suggest i re-wire the whole car from scratch?

[s13chica]

your tone of voice sounded like you were accusing me...which is the reason I was so upset...

[zero.counter]

To be safe, it may sound easier said than done but rewire the car for safety's sake. FSM will help you trace every singel freaking lead out. I have seen some wiring where they run through no type of conduit or grommet right into the engine bay from the sharp edges of the firewall. If there is enough downforce on the cable, it will be cut by the firewall edges. Just an example, I applied any relevant info based off of the intel I have gathered here...

[Var]

Originally Posted by s13chica

your tone of voice sounded like you were accusing me...which is the reason I was so upset...

whatever. i was trying to be as nice as possible while still frustrated. I spoke to D and L, 2 people who i KNOW for a fact have done wiring work on the car. not ONCE did i accuse them for MY problem..i just respectfully asked for advice and i appreciate them helping me.

[Var]

Some random bullshit to add the story. There is a piece of sheet metal in my gas tank. Yes a piece of sheet metal. i dont know why it's there which scares me. It obviously took some effort to get it in there cause we couldnt get it out. It looked like it had been bent in half and it had some holes in it. It also looked like it had been cut with wire cutter(sharp edges) and it was ziptied to something in there. ??

[JH]

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

No i wouldnt and you have a point. Do you suggest i re-wire the whole car from scratch?

Hmmm......
1) I wonder why the wiring melted so quickly...that points to a short.
2) By passing the suspected wires and the pump works fine, and the temporary fix did not melt down....may be the pump is not shorted.
3) May be that leaves the OE wiring...if that was shorted, at which point did it short out?
4) If inside the loom, which is protected, why did it short out?
5) If a protected wire is shorted due to damage, could the same damage short out the rest of the wires in the same part of the loom? or at least eventually?
6) if not inside the loom, then short must be at a junction....connectors, fuse, and where wires merged.
7) Junctions are protected from the environment in OE stand point, so whatever caused it to fail, whether human/aging/accidents, could it damage other wires that are in the same physical location? or may be eventually?

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

I'm gonna use manual switch for the fuel pump, rally car style with thick guage wiring and a fuse and a relay. I'm just happy that the melting wire coupled with leaking gas tank o-ring didnt cause my car to explode.

So you see....your solution does not address the real safety issue in your car. Really, think about what I said, and think about what you said, and think about what you said about how you were planning to do it--in fact I quoted you above this paragraph.

And for the rest of the lemmings that chimed in and say everything is cool, please reflect for a moment for what I said. In the end, its not my car. The fact that I spent some time logically laying out the concerns of the current case, instead of making reference to irrelevant WRC car, should show my intention of trying to help in fixing the problem.

[zero.counter]

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

Some random bullshit to add the story. There is a piece of sheet metal in my gas tank. Yes a piece of sheet metal. i dont know why it's there which scares me. It obviously took some effort to get it in there cause we couldnt get it out. It looked like it had been bent in half and it had some holes in it. It also looked like it had been cut with wire cutter(sharp edges) and it was ziptied to something in there. ??

Maybe a drug runner? Or a wad of cash...let us know what you find out...