sensationalist political bullshit

[gearhead55]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Or she is pandering to an entire group that feels that way and is getting fucking rich doing it.

That is possible, but i get the impression that it is what she truly believes. If she is just pandering that makes me respect her even fucking less.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Google some polls. About half of American believes in creationism and around 25% feel God controlled Evolution to create man. Only 25% feel it was dumb luck humans came to be.

I could give less of a fuck what half of the United States believes. The only thing that that poll shows is that half of the population is uneducated and ignorant. People like Karl Rove get on the TV and talk about polls and what percentage of the population believes what, THAT DOESN'T MATTER. What matters is the TRUTH and factual information.

The fact that you say that evolution is "dumb luck" shows that you don't understand how that process works. Evolution has nothing to do with "luck". Random mutation is the closest thing to "luck" (which is actually a ridiculous word) in the theory, but it is not the mutation that drives the process, it is the selection against mutations that are detrimental that drives the process.

People like Sarah Palin gaining recognition because they share a common ignorance with "the people" is very dangerous.

[S14DB]

Why would you trademark your name unless you are trying to profit off it?

FoxNews.com - Palin, Daughter Bristol Seek to Trademark Names

[ronmcdon]

how can you profit off something like that?
charge royalties to other ppl who have the same name?

there is something very wrong with this woman.

[ESmorz]

Better make you're "Nailin Palin" look alike prons real quick like.

[BC S14]

You are all idiots if you think palin, obama, or any politician has anything to do with whats going on. Left, right, white, black, armed or not it doesn't matter. Because you've bought into the game, you've lost.

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by girl's n sil's

You are all idiots if you think palin, obama, or any politician has anything to do with whats going on. Left, right, white, black, armed or not it doesn't matter. Because you've bought into the game, you've lost.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by girl's n sil's

You are all idiots if you think palin, obama, or any politician has anything to do with whats going on. Left, right, white, black, armed or not it doesn't matter. Because you've bought into the game, you've lost.

[BC S14]

They're feeding everybody through a tube. You see what they need you to see. You have to cut the chord because when you take all the bs away, in the end, all you have is your people. They give you things to talk about, things to pin you against me, it's entertainment for them. You want the truth to come through any media source? unbiased? Not going to happen. I'll give you the truth right now. The real news. IT DOES'NT FUCKING MATTER! Take care of you and your own and live a good life. Don't eat they're mcdonalds, to watch they're american idol and top models, don't check out cnn and glen beck. Don't buy everything you need and more at walmart. Cook your own food, and if you can't grow it yourself, buy organic and local. We all have the ability and funds to live independent so much so, that we should only have to depend on them for 3 things, tv, gas, and medical. And we should be smart enough to be healthy so we only need that for freak accidents. If they'res any kind of revolution that needs to happen, it's an independent one. All news is today is gossip. The more they piss you off, the more money they make. Stop watching and caring about them. It's you and yours that you need to worry about. Everybody on this website is halfway there. It was established by us, a group of smart people who found something to do instead of boozing it up, getting high, and running up medical bills, filling up the shopping malls, and making them rich. The purpose of life is to live it. And please drop the titles, they were off since day one for the plain and simple fact that every single person is absolutely different.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gearhead55

I could give less of a fuck what half of the United States believes. The only thing that that poll shows is that half of the population is uneducated and ignorant. People like Karl Rove get on the TV and talk about polls and what percentage of the population believes what, THAT DOESN'T MATTER. What matters is the TRUTH and factual information.

Clearly you are not one to lead, represent or speak to Americans if you don't care what they want or believe. Evolution is also not a "Fact" but one of several scientific and religious beliefs.

I would argue Belief is more important than fact. Facts or truths can be used to shape belief but at the end of the day people act and utilize their beliefs.

Germans killed millions 60 years ago using what they felt as evolutionary truths to justify their genetic superiority Beliefs.

Today, the west struggles with Islamic terrorist who believe God wants them to kill infidels in his name.

So forth.

Originally Posted by gearhead55

The fact that you say that evolution is "dumb luck" shows that you don't understand how that process works. Evolution has nothing to do with "luck". Random mutation is the closest thing to "luck" (which is actually a ridiculous word) in the theory, but it is not the mutation that drives the process, it is the selection against mutations that are detrimental that drives the process.

It is, unless you feel a divine hand has secretly guided the process.

It was dumb luck that amino acids floating in mud was hit by lighting and became Pre-Bacteria. (Scientists are unable to replicate this). It was bad luck that a astroid hit the planet and killed the Dinosaurs clearing the way for mammals. It was dumb luck that over millions of years your personal ancestors didn't get eating, killed, plagued et al and you now exist.

If life truly adapts and finds ways, then why did nothing adapt to life on Mars? In fact the entire Earth is dumb luck. A little closer to the sun and it would be too hot, a little further and too cold. Planet a little bigger, to much gravity; too small, not enough. Moon size? Speed of rotation?

There is a reason the galaxy is void of life, because the amount of variables needed is so great that it's stupid dumb luck - or maybe divinely inspired.

[BC S14]

Water killed the dinos. Not an asteroid. Thats been a long time myth. Anyway no need to live n the past.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by Corbic

It was dumb luck that amino acids floating in mud was hit by lighting and became Pre-Bacteria. (Scientists are unable to replicate this). It was bad luck that a astroid hit the planet and killed the Dinosaurs clearing the way for mammals. It was dumb luck that over millions of years your personal ancestors didn't get eating, killed, plagued et al and you now exist.

If life truly adapts and finds ways, then why did nothing adapt to life on Mars? In fact the entire Earth is dumb luck. A little closer to the sun and it would be too hot, a little further and too cold. Planet a little bigger, to much gravity; too small, not enough. Moon size? Speed of rotation?

There is a reason the galaxy is void of life, because the amount of variables needed is so great that it's stupid dumb luck - or maybe divinely inspired.

Just because you believe all that doesn't make it true. You shouldn't start poking holes in science until you actually know what's going on.

dumb luck lol

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Just because you believe all that doesn't make it true. You shouldn't start poking holes in science until you actually know what's going on.

dumb luck lol

Oh enlightened, where did life come from?

[gearhead55]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Clearly you are not one to lead, represent or speak to Americans if you don't care what they want or believe. Evolution is also not a "Fact" but one of several scientific and religious beliefs.

Do you see me running for office?? I don't care what people believe if what they believe is not based on rational thought. I DO care that the American people are educated to a level that allows them to base their beliefs and decisions on reason and logic rather than beliefs and decisions based on blind faith. And I can speak to every single person i encounter regardless of whether they agree with my opinions or not.

The fact that you say evolution is not a "fact" shows that you are scientifically illiterate. Evolution is a THEORY, just like the theory of plate tectonics and the theory of relativity. Theories are either supported by evidence or falsified by evidence, they can never be "proven" or considered to be "fact". No one disputes plate tectonics because all the evidence we find supports that theory in exactly the same way evidence from many fields supports the theory of evolution. Evolution has supporting evidence from every field that could possibly provide evidence for it, from geology to genetics to psychology. No one in the scientific community disputes it.

Simply calling it "one of several scientific and religious beliefs" implies that because there are multiple hypotheses we cannot decide which hypothesis is most accurate. That's bullshit. No one believes in a geocentric solar system anymore because all the evidence we have points to a heliocentric solar system. That argument has died because one hypothesis was supported by evidence and one was not. Guess what, the same thing has happened in regards to evolution, it just takes religious believers a while longer to accept the evidence.

Originally Posted by Corbic

I would argue Belief is more important than fact. Facts or truths can be used to shape belief but at the end of the day people act and utilize their beliefs.

Germans killed millions 60 years ago using what they felt as evolutionary truths to justify their genetic superiority Beliefs.

Today, the west struggles with Islamic terrorist who believe God wants them to kill infidels in his name.

So forth.

Maybe you're right, maybe belief is important that fact when looking at behavior. Humans are naturally often illogical and they do act on unsubstantiated beliefs everyday. BUT, we now live in a world were access to information is easier than it has ever been before, so why not educate the population instead of allowing people to act on beliefs that clearly contradict factual evidence?

And BTW, if christians read the bible (which they clearly don't), they would realize that it too tells them to kill those who believe in other gods. There are many instances but i only have the energy to find one at the moment, Exodus 23: 24.

Originally Posted by Corbic

It is, unless you feel a divine hand has secretly guided the process.

It was dumb luck that amino acids floating in mud was hit by lighting and became Pre-Bacteria. (Scientists are unable to replicate this). It was bad luck that a astroid hit the planet and killed the Dinosaurs clearing the way for mammals. It was dumb luck that over millions of years your personal ancestors didn't get eating, killed, plagued et al and you now exist.

If life truly adapts and finds ways, then why did nothing adapt to life on Mars? In fact the entire Earth is dumb luck. A little closer to the sun and it would be too hot, a little further and too cold. Planet a little bigger, to much gravity; too small, not enough. Moon size? Speed of rotation?

There is a reason the galaxy is void of life, because the amount of variables needed is so great that it's stupid dumb luck - or maybe divinely inspired.

You are thinking from a very homo-centric perspective. It is not the case that humans were destined to live on earth and everything happened to be right for that to occur, it is the other way around. Life exists on this planet BECAUSE the conditions are right for it. Because the planet is where it is in relation to the sun, etc., life occurred.

Also, just because scientists cannot replicate something does not mean it did not occur. We cannot replicate the big bang, but all the evidence still points to its occurrence.

Also, we have no evidence that the galaxy IS indeed void of life. We have only explored ONE solar system, and not very thoroughly at that! The variables that need to be within a certain range do seem to be extensive (to our knowledge, we are learning of life in places all the time that we once thought impossible), but the unimaginable number of solar systems and galaxies points many scientists towards the belief that life elsewhere in the universe is all but inevitable.

We think we are some great achievement of a life form because it is we that are thinking that thought. In some other galaxy or in some other time there may be life that looks at us and sees us as primitive, illogical, and self destructive. For a person to look at the evidence we currently have and come to the conclusion that we are so close to perfection that a god must have created us in his own image and guided us in our development he or she must be extremely deluded...

[gearhead55]

Originally Posted by BC S14

You are all idiots if you think palin, obama, or any politician has anything to do with whats going on. Left, right, white, black, armed or not it doesn't matter. Because you've bought into the game, you've lost.

Very cynical. You're right that the president probably has very little say in how the country actually operates, but i think it IS important who is seen as the head of the state. People automatically personify almost everything we encounter, so people naturally look for a single personality to define countries or political parties. Hell we even give names to hurricanes...

Also, while we may have little control over how the state controls us, the mindset that the people are in does effect our day to day lives. If you neighbor thinks he is a "conservative" and thinks you are a "liberal", he will treat you differently than if he thinks you're conservative. For that reason the people that represent each political mindset are important to all of us.

I think paying attention to the game is necessary, but i think you're kind of right, if you believe everything you see/read hook-line-and-sinker then you are a sucker. Reading about history really puts everything into perspective.

In the longer post you posted after the one i quoted, i think you are partially right. People lose sight of their immediate surroundings and situations. That is the most important aspect of all of our lives, but i believe that being aware of the larger picture is important as well.

[BC S14]

Well I look at it like this. Am I going to run for office? Not with my record. If I wear a stupid t-shirt or retarded bumper sticker, get up early and go vote, is that person going to keep they're promises? elephant or ass? nope. But I still humor myself. If a nuke drops am I even going to feel it? huh uh. So my plan..-effort is to aid them as least as possible. The only way I would be affected from decisions made by other people is if they step foot on my property. People call ''congressmen'' all day, every day. They either ignore you or just nod they're head. People protest thousands strong, they do the same only this time, they throw you a beating. That cop shooting you with rubber bullets may agree with how you feel, but he's got bacon to bring home. It's kind of like when a disaster happens somewhere in the world, and hundreds of thousands die. We feel bad but deep down we tell ourselves, dam... glad I'm not them. Thats exactly how they feel about us. Every person in america is a person without a country. You are an employee, not a citizen. The thing to do is to know exactly when to jump ship. This is just my opinion.