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irax · 02-21-2009, 09:50 AM

adapter

harness

flclsteve · 02-21-2009, 10:18 AM

do want

SimpleS14 · 02-21-2009, 12:05 PM

I'm also guessing that A/C is no existent with this setup....right?

irax · 02-21-2009, 12:10 PM

well... with custom lines you can affix ac to anything

Akiros · 02-21-2009, 03:40 PM

vq30 should be the next big swap in 240's for sure. seriously. I got my 00 vq30 and z33 trans for 600 SHIPPED. decent trans and easily as much power NA as a stock SR. It will just become easier to swap the more people do it.

Yes, I'm interested.

DreamN · 02-21-2009, 03:45 PM

I'll just reiterate. Make sure it's CARB legal and you've got a buyer right here for whatever kit you produce.

GSXRJJordan · 02-21-2009, 03:58 PM

What do you plan to do about NATS?

That's literally the only reason I haven't put my SR up for sale to do VQ-T =P

Gorilla Unit 33 · 02-21-2009, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

What do you plan to do about NATS?

That's literally the only reason

Exactly what I said LOL well almost

irax · 02-21-2009, 08:41 PM

if you go vq30de-t and you use the 96 maxima ecu, there is not nats
as long as you have the factory dash harness from a vq car, there is nothing special about the NATS wiring.

drift freaq · 02-22-2009, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

if you go vq30de-t and you use the 96 maxima ecu, there is not nats
as long as you have the factory dash harness from a vq car, there is nothing special about the NATS wiring.

VQ30 will not be legal because the VQ30 was never sold in a RWD configuration in a car in the U.S. It has to be a VQ35 because even if you get VQ35 out of the late model Maxima it will still be legal because Nissan was selling a VQ35 in the G35 and 350Z.

Infamax · 02-22-2009, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

VQ30 will not be legal because the VQ30 was never sold in a RWD configuration in a car in the U.S. It has to be a VQ35 because even if you get VQ35 out of the late model Maxima it will still be legal because Nissan was selling a VQ35 in the G35 and 350Z.

I thought it didn't matter if it was a fwd engine into a rwd car. Isn't it as long as all the emissions of the motor are present and it's a newer motor than the chasis, it's able to be BAR'd? I don't think mounting and and transmission used affect its legality.

irax · 02-22-2009, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infamax

I thought it didn't matter if it was a fwd engine into a rwd car. Isn't it as long as all the emissions of the motor are present and it's a newer motor than the chasis, it's able to be BAR'd? I don't think mounting and and transmission used affect its legality.

ultimately it is up to the ref. last time I spoke to A ref they said there would be no problem but things may have changed. I am going to go to the local ref again soon and talk to them about it because other things have changed so I want to make sure that fwd as rwd is still a viable option.

firm tofu · 02-22-2009, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infamax

I thought it didn't matter if it was a fwd engine into a rwd car. Isn't it as long as all the emissions of the motor are present and it's a newer motor than the chasis, it's able to be BAR'd? I don't think mounting and and transmission used affect its legality.

only thing arb said was it has to be from a passenger car and retain all emission equipment.

flip3d · 02-22-2009, 01:13 PM

I'm in. I'll get rid of my SR in a heartbeat for a VQ swap.

I don't live in Cali so ref isn't an issue.

irax · 02-22-2009, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by firm tofu

only thing arb said was it has to be from a passenger car and retain all emission equipment.

emissions equipment like exhaust manifolds and intake manifold...

firm tofu · 02-22-2009, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

emissions equipment like exhaust manifolds and intake manifold...

yes, was also told that the motor has to be cali certified as well. as for the wiring, the last rumor i heard was mckinney and jwt were working on the ecu wiring.

irax · 02-22-2009, 03:44 PM

JWT has wiring for 96 maxima ecu. The motors arent cali/federal, the ecu is.

drift freaq · 02-22-2009, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infamax

I thought it didn't matter if it was a fwd engine into a rwd car. Isn't it as long as all the emissions of the motor are present and it's a newer motor than the chasis, it's able to be BAR'd? I don't think mounting and and transmission used affect its legality.

If this was true then we would all be running Sentra SER SR20DE's(as they are the same vintage and per code the engine has to be same year or newer) in our cars and turbo'ing them. Why are we not? Its on the books in California the motor was never sold in a RWD configuration here and it cannot be bar'd or ref'd for that very reason.

Of course if someone did a money is no object situation Like Joe tried to do get the SR20DET Bar'd it might happen but you would wind up paying the state thousands of dollars to even get them to consider it. In the end making it completely to costly to make it worthwhile.

Rittmeister · 02-22-2009, 09:12 PM

That, and there are enough differences between the FWD and RWD SR blocks to make it really, really impractical.

esqueue · 02-23-2009, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

JWT has wiring for 96 maxima ecu. The motors arent cali/federal, the ecu is.

I have a 99 i30 and the manifold and the intake Manifold is different that non cali ones. The FSM shows more differences between cali and other models.

irax · 02-23-2009, 12:39 PM

well... the long blocks are the same, its the peripherals that are different is what i meant.

Bushido · 02-23-2009, 10:36 PM

so what are you going to offer?

mounts, driveshaft, shifter relocation, and wiring service?

Mangudai · 02-23-2009, 11:06 PM

Wasn't one of the main reasons people didn't want to do it was because of the power loss?

irax · 02-23-2009, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bushido

so what are you going to offer?

mounts, driveshaft, shifter relocation, and wiring service?

mounts, shifter relocation, and local wiring service but wiring information will be made available on the web page. I don't want to offer a drive shaft since there will be multiple depending on which diff you go with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangudai

Wasn't one of the main reasons people didn't want to do it was because of the power loss?

it was power loss due to older EMS's not being able to take full advantage of what the motor had to offer. OR power loss due to using the wrong ecu IE VQ30DE-K with out retuning it properly. There is no reason why a vq swapped 240 should not put out as much power as a Z/G/M or Max/Alti/J35 does with the same mods.

Gorilla Unit 33 · 02-24-2009, 01:30 PM

So yeah what's your plan about solving the nats problem?

rb25crazy · 02-24-2009, 01:51 PM

isn't there a lot more to this swap? i remember that guy on 240sx.org was talking about the fuel is different. doesn't use pressure to measure it anymore so you had to change the tank or something like that.

SimpleS14 · 02-24-2009, 01:53 PM

excuse my newbie question, but what's "nats" ? Some sensor?

Flicktitty · 02-24-2009, 02:29 PM

i know theres places that do plug and play stuff for 2JZ's into S-chassis the wiring service is anywhere from $450-$1000.

I say go for it. any idea of a rough estimate on the price to do it? might be fun.

irax · 02-24-2009, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

excuse my newbie question, but what's "nats" ? Some sensor?

Nissan AntiTheft System but the part you need is called the NVIS which is a little dongle that goes around the ignition lock

Yellow4g63 · 02-24-2009, 09:07 PM

Stock Speedo won't work with the VQ swap right cause there is no Speed sensor in the trans.

View Poll Results: How ready would you be to swap in a VQ if more information was public, and cheap kits
I would sell my (SR, RB, KA-T) to make it happen ASAP	49	32.03%
I would wait till the economy starts to rise again	17	11.11%
I would weigh the costs vs the risks of having an illegal motor	18	11.76%
I still would not care about swapping a VQ	40	26.14%
I plan on getting a VQ powered car anyways	29	18.95%
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02-21-2009, 09:50 AM	#31
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02-21-2009, 10:18 AM	#32
flclsteve Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Irvine Age: 34 Posts: 538 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	do want __________________

02-21-2009, 12:05 PM	#33
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 40 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm also guessing that A/C is no existent with this setup....right? __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

02-21-2009, 12:10 PM	#34
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 40 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	well... with custom lines you can affix ac to anything __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

02-21-2009, 03:40 PM	#35
Akiros Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Arkansas Age: 35 Posts: 1,242 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	vq30 should be the next big swap in 240's for sure. seriously. I got my 00 vq30 and z33 trans for 600 SHIPPED. decent trans and easily as much power NA as a stock SR. It will just become easier to swap the more people do it. Yes, I'm interested.

02-21-2009, 03:45 PM	#36
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02-21-2009, 08:41 PM	#39
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 40 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	if you go vq30de-t and you use the 96 maxima ecu, there is not nats as long as you have the factory dash harness from a vq car, there is nothing special about the NATS wiring. __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

02-22-2009, 01:13 PM	#44
flip3d Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale, FL Age: 36 Posts: 1,473 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I'm in. I'll get rid of my SR in a heartbeat for a VQ swap. I don't live in Cali so ref isn't an issue.

02-22-2009, 03:44 PM	#47
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 40 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	JWT has wiring for 96 maxima ecu. The motors arent cali/federal, the ecu is. __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

02-22-2009, 09:12 PM	#49
Rittmeister Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cincinnati OH Age: 47 Posts: 1,033 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	That, and there are enough differences between the FWD and RWD SR blocks to make it really, really impractical. __________________ E36 M3 - new project 1990 240SR - screamed down the road

02-23-2009, 12:39 PM	#51
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 40 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	well... the long blocks are the same, its the peripherals that are different is what i meant. __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

02-23-2009, 10:36 PM	#52
Bushido Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: SFL Posts: 3,563 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	so what are you going to offer? mounts, driveshaft, shifter relocation, and wiring service? __________________

02-23-2009, 11:06 PM	#53
Mangudai Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: South Posts: 656 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Wasn't one of the main reasons people didn't want to do it was because of the power loss? __________________ Almost there.

02-24-2009, 01:30 PM	#55
Gorilla Unit 33 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philly Posts: 374 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	So yeah what's your plan about solving the nats problem?

02-24-2009, 01:51 PM	#56
rb25crazy Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: cali Age: 38 Posts: 1,024 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	isn't there a lot more to this swap? i remember that guy on 240sx.org was talking about the fuel is different. doesn't use pressure to measure it anymore so you had to change the tank or something like that.

02-24-2009, 01:53 PM	#57
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 40 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	excuse my newbie question, but what's "nats" ? Some sensor? __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

02-24-2009, 02:29 PM	#58
Flicktitty Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin Age: 37 Posts: 3,685 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	i know theres places that do plug and play stuff for 2JZ's into S-chassis the wiring service is anywhere from $450-$1000. I say go for it. any idea of a rough estimate on the price to do it? might be fun. __________________ 2JZ-GTE Swapped S13 Coupe - 1994 Supra Turbo

02-24-2009, 09:07 PM	#60
Yellow4g63 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Socal Posts: 1,454 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Stock Speedo won't work with the VQ swap right cause there is no Speed sensor in the trans. __________________ 95 240sx RB20 415whp 91 Nx2000 VVL yo