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ZilviaBot · 03-27-2009, 02:50 PM

03-25-2009 01:58 PM

Filed under: Government/Legal, Green

In a move that will likely get California's consumers in a huff, impending legislation may soon restrict the paint color options for Golden State residents looking for their next new vehicle. The specific colors that are currently on the chopping block are all dark hues, with the worst offender seemingly the most innocuous color you could think of: Black. What could California possibly have against these colors, you ask? Apparently, the California Air Resources Board figures that the climate control systems of dark colored cars need to work harder than their lighter siblings - especially after sitting in the sun for a few hours. Anyone living in a hot, sunny climate will tell you that this assumption is accurate, of course. In fact, legislation already exists for buildings that has proven successful at reducing the energy consumption of skyscrapers.

So, what's the crux of the problem... can't paint suppliers just come up with new, less heat-absorbent dark paints? According to Ward's, suppliers have reportedly been testing their pigments and processes to see if it's possible to meet CARB's proposed mandate of 20% solar reflectivity by 2016 with a phase-in period starting in 2012, and things aren't looking good. Apparently, when the proper pigments and chemicals are added to black paint, the resulting color is currently being referred to as "mud-puddle brown." That doesn't sound very attractive, now does it? Windshields, backlights and sunroofs are also slated to get reflective coatings starting in 2012.

When we first heard of this issue, an internal debate immediately began as to whether this might be an elaborate early April Fool's joke, but it isn't. Read through CARB's complete Cool Cars Standards and Test Procedures here (PDF link) for more. Thanks for the tip, Joaquin!

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Flicktitty · 03-27-2009, 02:59 PM

Fuck california....

karl wasabi · 03-27-2009, 03:27 PM

That's automobile racism!

sleepy_s13 · 03-27-2009, 03:30 PM

fucking retarded

I10cruiser · 03-27-2009, 03:30 PM

that is so lame

s13boy89 · 03-27-2009, 03:34 PM

aww damn better not if not they pay to aint my car and i want only lead paint lol

SUPERSTAR · 03-27-2009, 03:45 PM

That's why everyone should drive a car the same color. Make them all Pink.

JeremyR · 03-27-2009, 03:55 PM

wont ever pass.

irax · 03-27-2009, 05:02 PM

no it will pass...

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

texas here i come!

lol

seriously though, its just like fucking legislators to come up with stupid shit.. ooohh black cars are a problem... FUCK NO IT ISN'T! its the fact that automotive companies can't come up with more efficient motors because the oil cartels have them in their pockets! FUCK THAT! How about legislators pass laws that help people and not do stupid shit! pretty soon they will make it against the law to be a home owner because you might fall into predatory lending and be at fault with your loan, and cause another economic fall! Fuck you might as well make it a law so all cars from now on have to get 100mpg, run cleaner than boiling water, must be a very light pastel color, and must be able to fit 5 people so you can car pool even though you will always be driving by your self to work.....

blackrms13 · 03-27-2009, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karl wasabi

That's automobile racism!

LMAO

but it is kinda true that black color car absorb more heat and so on
i want to repaint my car white...LOL

drift freaq · 03-27-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

no it will pass...

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

texas here i come!

lol

seriously though, its just like fucking legislators to come up with stupid shit.. ooohh black cars are a problem... FUCK NO IT ISN'T! its the fact that automotive companies can't come up with more efficient motors because the oil cartels have them in their pockets! FUCK THAT! How about legislators pass laws that help people and not do stupid shit! pretty soon they will make it against the law to be a home owner because you might fall into predatory lending and be at fault with your loan, and cause another economic fall! Fuck you might as well make it a law so all cars from now on have to get 100mpg, run cleaner than boiling water, must be a very light pastel color, and must be able to fit 5 people so you can car pool even though you will always be driving by your self to work.....

Go IB Go. LOL but yeah I could not agree with you more.

I flamed Matej last night, for bringing this up in a thread, before I saw what was written above.

Sorry Matej. Its like the boy who cried wolf, you have cried wolf so many times, its just a for granted you're spouting bullshit.

But wait it is bullshit, because its one of those proposals that will never pass. Though the media wants to have a field day with it. Which is actually a good thing because that will guarantee it will not pass.

Oh and people like Matej will take it to the cleaners. So he can spout his anti American bullshit as well. LOL

WISH ONE · 03-27-2009, 05:36 PM

you have got to be kidding!!!! I dreamed of having black (or close to it painted) car for so long and i finally have it, and now its all going to go to waste. I hate my life. lol

Matej · 03-27-2009, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Go IB Go. LOL but yeah I could not agree with you more.

I flamed Matej last night, for bringing this up in a thread, before I saw what was written above.

Sorry Matej. Its like the boy who cried wolf, you have cried wolf so many times, its just a for granted you're spouting bullshit.

But wait it is bullshit, because its one of those proposals that will never pass. Though the media wants to have a field day with it. Which is actually a good thing because that will guarantee it will not pass.

Oh and people like Matej will take it to the cleaners. So he can spout his anti American bullshit as well. LOL

On the contrary, I hope this will pass, and I thank America and mainly California for taking up the reins and fighting the good fight. Take that, global warming!

ROUGE180 · 03-27-2009, 07:31 PM

What the flying fuck!! I love Cali but damn they do some strange shit over there. Opressin' my people and their black cars..

*handinpants* · 03-27-2009, 08:48 PM

This is total Bullshit, they keep blaming cars for our air pollution but fail to put blame on all the chemical companies in this state who release far more green house gasses, and the jet airplanes that fly in and out of our cities, and to take it a step further if you look at china, most of their smog travels over the ocean to the golden state.
Its not like they are keeping developers from cutting down all our trees to build new realestate, plant more damn trees

*handinpants* · 03-27-2009, 08:55 PM

Ernie, you can paint yours hot pink first, and if you can get me some hot pink tires let me know

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTC SUPERSTAR

That's why everyone should drive a car the same color. Make them all Pink.

irax · 03-27-2009, 08:56 PM

sure blame china, but they are only part of the problem

what about the rain forests in brazil? natural life like trees, and plants remove Co and Co2 from our atmosphere naturally. I think the real answer isn't taxation, but plant some mother fucking trees and gardens.

bardabe · 03-28-2009, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

sure blame china, but they are only part of the problem

what about the rain forests in brazil? natural life like trees, and plants remove Co and Co2 from our atmosphere naturally. I think the real answer isn't taxation, but plant some mother fucking trees and gardens.

I 2nd that motion

zorak · 03-28-2009, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

no it will pass...

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

texas here i come!

lol

seriously though, its just like fucking legislators to come up with stupid shit.. ooohh black cars are a problem... FUCK NO IT ISN'T! its the fact that automotive companies can't come up with more efficient motors because the oil cartels have them in their pockets! FUCK THAT! How about legislators pass laws that help people and not do stupid shit! pretty soon they will make it against the law to be a home owner because you might fall into predatory lending and be at fault with your loan, and cause another economic fall! Fuck you might as well make it a law so all cars from now on have to get 100mpg, run cleaner than boiling water, must be a very light pastel color, and must be able to fit 5 people so you can car pool even though you will always be driving by your self to work.....

I agree with your rant.

ETA: Why aren't the firemen putting out the fire?

*kingkilburn* · 03-28-2009, 02:30 AM

CARB is like the SS of nazi California. I love living here but I can't stand this kind of legislation. Why can't they focus on industry and agriculture instead of gasoline powered cars?

ChicagoS14 · 03-28-2009, 03:20 AM

First they ban gay marriage with proposition 8, now trying to ban black cars.... next they will try to ban mexicans.... seriously though California legislators are seriously either really retarded or way too board. Or they do some heavy drugs. How about they target industrial areas or corporations that do more harm then any black cars combined. How about they enforce ways to recycle, conserve more power, not take away peoples freedom of choice.

gotspins13 · 03-28-2009, 04:05 AM

this is frickn stupid! wow some one is really going to get offended and get alot of people to follow and sew the state of cali, this is the worst thing i have ever heard of, i bet that if this passes if you have a black car your going to get a ticket, and thats how they will make money haha

*wangan_cruiser* · 03-28-2009, 04:43 AM

so if they said color black absorbs more heat which is true.

black cars are banned. where is this heading to next? black people absorb more heat?

this is fucking stupid. jst another bs where they can start making money.

and i support to plant more trees. stop flattening them hills just plant more trees.

hahajoey · 03-28-2009, 12:34 PM

tahts stupid.. cop cars are halfblack.. why dont they just paint them all hot pink then so we can see them better

Matej · 03-28-2009, 12:34 PM

It won't happen. It's just funny that such an idea has even been introduced/considered, haha.

Plus black paint is the cheapest to manufacture.

unlegendary · 03-28-2009, 04:40 PM

not going to happen, period. i didn't even read the article.

Ricks15 · 03-28-2009, 06:18 PM

FUCK california

!!!

buku_points · 03-28-2009, 06:34 PM

wow im glad i got rid of my black s14 oh well wont be too much longer now.

qt_240 · 03-28-2009, 07:14 PM

w0w... seriously? damn.. thats just crazy..

whats goin to happen to the VIP scene in cali! lol =x

BC S14 · 03-28-2009, 07:18 PM

I came on zilvia warning you guys about this leadership you are electing. But everyone was like obama is my homeboy!! Everybody!! Looks like most of you retards pissed the bed. now sleep in it. You voted for em.

03-27-2009, 02:50 PM	#1
ZilviaBot Zilvia.net Bot Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 199 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	California to reduce carbon emissions by... banning black cars?! 03-25-2009 01:58 PM Filed under: Government/Legal, Green In a move that will likely get California's consumers in a huff, impending legislation may soon restrict the paint color options for Golden State residents looking for their next new vehicle. The specific colors that are currently on the chopping block are all dark hues, with the worst offender seemingly the most innocuous color you could think of: Black. What could California possibly have against these colors, you ask? Apparently, the California Air Resources Board figures that the climate control systems of dark colored cars need to work harder than their lighter siblings - especially after sitting in the sun for a few hours. Anyone living in a hot, sunny climate will tell you that this assumption is accurate, of course. In fact, legislation already exists for buildings that has proven successful at reducing the energy consumption of skyscrapers. So, what's the crux of the problem... can't paint suppliers just come up with new, less heat-absorbent dark paints? According to Ward's, suppliers have reportedly been testing their pigments and processes to see if it's possible to meet CARB's proposed mandate of 20% solar reflectivity by 2016 with a phase-in period starting in 2012, and things aren't looking good. Apparently, when the proper pigments and chemicals are added to black paint, the resulting color is currently being referred to as "mud-puddle brown." That doesn't sound very attractive, now does it? Windshields, backlights and sunroofs are also slated to get reflective coatings starting in 2012. When we first heard of this issue, an internal debate immediately began as to whether this might be an elaborate early April Fool's joke, but it isn't. Read through CARB's complete Cool Cars Standards and Test Procedures here (PDF link) for more. Thanks for the tip, Joaquin! [Source: CARB (PDF link); Wards \| Photo: 7mary3]California to reduce carbon emissions by... banning black cars?! originally appeared on Autoblog on Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:58:00 EST. Please see our terms for use of feeds. ReadÂ\|ÂPermalinkÂ\|ÂEmail thisÂ\|ÂComments More...

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Flicktitty Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin Age: 37 Posts: 3,685 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Fuck california.... __________________ 2JZ-GTE Swapped S13 Coupe - 1994 Supra Turbo

03-27-2009, 03:27 PM	#3
karl wasabi Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Walnut/SoCal Posts: 3,898 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	That's automobile racism! __________________ Karl Wasabi Private Seller - Review Thread

03-27-2009, 03:30 PM	#4
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03-27-2009, 03:30 PM	#5
I10cruiser Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: los angeles Age: 35 Posts: 3,053 Trader Rating: (47) Rides Gallery: I10cruiser Feedback Score: 47 reviews	that is so lame __________________

03-27-2009, 03:34 PM	#6
s13boy89 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: anaheim Age: 34 Posts: 1,991 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	aww damn better not if not they pay to aint my car and i want only lead paint lol __________________ I have kids running around here I dont want to use an xxr as a coffe table

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SUPERSTAR Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orange Socal** Age: 49 Posts: 6,413 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	That's why everyone should drive a car the same color. Make them all Pink. __________________ *"ARE YOU ONE'EM SKID RACERS?"*

03-27-2009, 05:02 PM	#9
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 40 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	no it will pass... FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU texas here i come! lol seriously though, its just like fucking legislators to come up with stupid shit.. ooohh black cars are a problem... FUCK NO IT ISN'T! its the fact that automotive companies can't come up with more efficient motors because the oil cartels have them in their pockets! FUCK THAT! How about legislators pass laws that help people and not do stupid shit! pretty soon they will make it against the law to be a home owner because you might fall into predatory lending and be at fault with your loan, and cause another economic fall! Fuck you might as well make it a law so all cars from now on have to get 100mpg, run cleaner than boiling water, must be a very light pastel color, and must be able to fit 5 people so you can car pool even though you will always be driving by your self to work..... __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

03-27-2009, 05:36 PM	#12
WISH ONE Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: orange county ca Posts: 2,738 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	you have got to be kidding!!!! I dreamed of having black (or close to it painted) car for so long and i finally have it, and now its all going to go to waste. I hate my life. lol __________________ PARTING/SELLING MY COUPE. PM ME.

03-27-2009, 07:31 PM	#14
ROUGE180 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Potomac, MD Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: ROUGE180 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	What the flying fuck!! I love Cali but damn they do some strange shit over there. Opressin' my people and their black cars..

03-27-2009, 08:48 PM	#15
handinpants FreshColdBeer.com Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Age: 41 Posts: 2,665 Trader Rating: (48) Rides Gallery: handinpants Feedback Score: 48 reviews	This is total Bullshit, they keep blaming cars for our air pollution but fail to put blame on all the chemical companies in this state who release far more green house gasses, and the jet airplanes that fly in and out of our cities, and to take it a step further if you look at china, most of their smog travels over the ocean to the golden state. Its not like they are keeping developers from cutting down all our trees to build new realestate, plant more damn trees

03-27-2009, 08:56 PM	#17
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 40 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	sure blame china, but they are only part of the problem what about the rain forests in brazil? natural life like trees, and plants remove Co and Co2 from our atmosphere naturally. I think the real answer isn't taxation, but plant some mother fucking trees and gardens. __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

03-28-2009, 02:30 AM	#20
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	CARB is like the SS of nazi California. I love living here but I can't stand this kind of legislation. Why can't they focus on industry and agriculture instead of gasoline powered cars? __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

03-28-2009, 03:20 AM	#21
ChicagoS14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chicago Age: 37 Posts: 695 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	First they ban gay marriage with proposition 8, now trying to ban black cars.... next they will try to ban mexicans.... seriously though California legislators are seriously either really retarded or way too board. Or they do some heavy drugs. How about they target industrial areas or corporations that do more harm then any black cars combined. How about they enforce ways to recycle, conserve more power, not take away peoples freedom of choice. __________________ 95 240SX 1JZGTE \| SC300 2JZGE daily www.240sxguide.com

03-28-2009, 04:05 AM	#22
gotspins13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NorCAl//Sacramento Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	this is frickn stupid! wow some one is really going to get offended and get alot of people to follow and sew the state of cali, this is the worst thing i have ever heard of, i bet that if this passes if you have a black car your going to get a ticket, and thats how they will make money haha __________________ perfectly said! FJ20ET 16 valve - the holy grail of Nissan engines

03-28-2009, 04:43 AM	#23
wangan_cruiser kouki man Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: downtown oakland,ca Age: 39 Posts: 3,535 Trader Rating: (36) Feedback Score: 36 reviews	so if they said color black absorbs more heat which is true. black cars are banned. where is this heading to next? black people absorb more heat? this is fucking stupid. jst another bs where they can start making money. and i support to plant more trees. stop flattening them hills just plant more trees.

03-28-2009, 12:34 PM	#24
hahajoey Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 626 Age: 42 Posts: 36 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	tahts stupid.. cop cars are halfblack.. why dont they just paint them all hot pink then so we can see them better

03-28-2009, 12:34 PM	#25
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	It won't happen. It's just funny that such an idea has even been introduced/considered, haha. Plus black paint is the cheapest to manufacture.

03-28-2009, 04:40 PM	#26
unlegendary Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: with my parents Posts: 625 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	not going to happen, period. i didn't even read the article. __________________ Full Time Student for Life

03-28-2009, 06:18 PM	#27
Ricks15 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 38 Posts: 1,661 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	FUCK california!!! __________________

03-28-2009, 06:34 PM	#28
buku_points Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cali Posts: 989 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: buku_points Feedback Score: 16 reviews	wow im glad i got rid of my black s14 oh well wont be too much longer now.

03-28-2009, 07:14 PM	#29
qt_240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CHI Posts: 2,122 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	w0w... seriously? damn.. thats just crazy.. whats goin to happen to the VIP scene in cali! lol =x __________________ Dorimonster.blogspot.com

03-28-2009, 07:18 PM	#30
BC S14 Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: land of oz Age: 36 Posts: 192 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I came on zilvia warning you guys about this leadership you are electing. But everyone was like obama is my homeboy!! Everybody!! Looks like most of you retards pissed the bed. now sleep in it. You voted for em. __________________ Formally girl's n sil's