Occupy Wall Street vs. Tea Party

[BustedS13]

i'd like a conservative to explain to me why one is fine and the other is a bunch of hippies with no message plz. jon stewart huffington post weed

[negrosx13]

Seem to be like people have started occupy there stock exchanges aka "wall street" in japan,vancouver,Toronto,etc,etc. Global occupation??

[az_240]

^^^^kinda off topic but watch this.

[negrosx13]

I don't see Obama giving that speak.. This whole thing is gonna end with world wide revolutionary battle with the government to fix the problem with the banks. The European people already started there riots

[Mrpopo]

Occupy won't get anything done because they aren't organized. You can argue whatever you want to me but I don't care. I've been to occupy wall street and occupy Atlanta, and it's mass hysteria free for all.

[TheWolf]

I think both sides have a message and aren't a bunch of loose group hippies/extremists. They are the formation of the frustrations of both parties as both sides have become polarized. The country has reached a fork in the road. There's no longer a "middle of the road" position.

[Mrpopo]

True there is a divide now but the tea party conservative side is bigger by far. Just look at what they have done already. The occupy movement is small and unorganized. Until they get some leadership and specified goals it won't go anywhere. In Atlanta it was about two hundred people tops and half of them were homeless people trying to get free pizza.

Voting the corrupt politicians out of office is the biggest and first step in fixing the partnerships with wall street. We can't determine what private companies do but we can hold politicians who are in bed with greedy companies liable and fire them. If we keep giving our government power over things this won't be a free country anymore. I don't want socialism in this country and neither does the vast majority of it's people. Socialism and communism don't work. They never have they never will.

[upsdude]

"bought congress"

simple yet totally accurate description of our federal legislature...california's legislature is totally bought off as well

[Matej]

Ironically, when I think of the government having too much power, I think of a Tea Party/conservative-run government.

[wonpoo]

im still confused about the WHOLE OCCUPY thingy...seriously...some one enlighten me...or share a link with some background info please.

im super interested now.

[BustedS13]

Originally Posted by wonpoo

im still confused about the WHOLE OCCUPY thingy...seriously...some one enlighten me...or share a link with some background info please.

im super interested now.

basically, a bunch of people from pretty much every demographic imaginable are upset by the amount of power major corporations possess, but because all the big news outlets are run by major corporations, most of the coverage you'll see just shows stoned college kids acting like jackasses. it's a non-partisan movement, but that will change as Fox News keeps making light of the whole thing. eventually some democrats will make some speeches, the whole thing will swing left, everybody will go home to re-elect Obama or some other piece of shit, and nothing will be accomplished. watch your telescreen, prole

[wonpoo]

ahahah sorry i made my post kinda early i scrolled down farther in the off-topic chat and found the Occupy wall street thread...

thank you for clarifying things up for me...what really amazes me is that people are just now realizing that major corporations control everything...man people need to get with the program...ahahah

but yeah i can really careless about these protest im interested because i've seen some flyers floating around my community college campus about some rally and occupy our city hall bs...im from a small town in the Central valley of California yeah...

LAME!

[ronmcdon]

Both sides don't really have effective leadership.
The tea party is probably worse off imo with their association with crazies like Palin & Beck.

Personally I'm not sure if all this will matter at the end of the day.
There's just no way any politician won't be tempted by corruption.
Even if lobbying were banned, there would be other forms of enticement.

It's not going to change anytime soon.
I would bet that if the economy was good, people wouldn't care if Bill Gates was president.

[BustedS13]

I'd vote for Bill Gates. He's a billionaire angel.

[ronmcdon]

Another way to look at this (presumably from a conservative perspective) is that if gov't isn't going to do anything to limit corporate power, then why have it at all?
At least we pay less taxes & cut out the middleman.

Who do you have more faith in, our gov't or the free market?
If you don't believe in Obama, whats the next best thing, Ron Paul, Romney?

Honestly I'm undecided on this one.
I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but it could be worse.
Really looking forward to what happens in the next elections.

[kingkilburn]

I see the tea party(as it was before the republican take over) and the 99% as attacking the same beast from different angles. One group wants less power for the government while the other wants less for big business and banks. Considering that big business and government scratch eachothers backs to further their power I see both rablerousers as doing good.


On a side note. How in the hell did the tea party go from extreme far left to far right in the blink of an eye? The republicans change voting bases with the quickness.

[Neurowave]

Tea Party got co-opted to what is is now. Their goals are very much in line with the occupy movement as the OP's pic points out.

Originally Posted by Mrpopo

The occupy movement is small ...

These pics are just from this weekend too.


^ Times Square


^ Vancouver


^ Berlin


^ Madrid


^ Seoul

[ronmcdon]

I thought the economy was doing well in Korea (if not also Germany).

[BustedS13]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Who do you have more faith in, our gov't or the free market?
If you don't believe in Obama, whats the next best thing, Ron Paul, Romney?

Ron Paul goes against the grain with a few things for me, but i'd vote for him, given the chance. i'm feeling apathetic about the whole thing honestly.

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

On a side note. How in the hell did the tea party go from extreme far left to far right in the blink of an eye? The republicans change voting bases with the quickness.

i don't remember the tea party ever being left-leaning... but the right definitely harnessed them.

[DJDANGER24]

anybody read this yet?

Ron Paul Announces Ambitious

...stopping foreign aid, ending foreign wars...

YES! Our countries problems are more serious than BS happening anywhere else. Time to focus on our own shit and make it right again (if it was ever right to begin with lol)

[word sux]

we need a revolution

[I LUV MY S13]

Originally Posted by word sux

we need a revolution

Jefferson did say to have a healthy government we need one every 20 years.

[word sux]

Originally Posted by I LUV MY S13

Jefferson did say to have a healthy government we need one every 20 years.

sounds about right

[dato]

Ron paul!!!!, he knows his stuff, no lie

[Matej]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

I thought the economy was doing well in Korea (if not also Germany).

It is. People just have more passion there, and believe they have it bad even though they are better off than the average American. I am sometimes surprised and saddened to see what Americans put up with. I think the average American is so worked to death that he is too tired/blind to protest, and instead will just curse under his breath and fall asleep on the couch.

[slowvia]

Originally Posted by Mrpopo

True there is a divide now but the tea party conservative side is bigger by far. Just look at what they have done already. The occupy movement is small and unorganized. Until they get some leadership and specified goals it won't go anywhere. In Atlanta it was about two hundred people tops and half of them were homeless people trying to get free pizza.

Voting the corrupt politicians out of office is the biggest and first step in fixing the partnerships with wall street. We can't determine what private companies do but we can hold politicians who are in bed with greedy companies liable and fire them. If we keep giving our government power over things this won't be a free country anymore. I don't want socialism in this country and neither does the vast majority of it's people. Socialism and communism don't work. They never have they never will.

Not to promote socialism or communism... buuuuutttt....
China

[kingkilburn]

China is neither communist or socialist. It's a massive fascist capitalist single party dictatorship.

[Walperstyle]

If is hilarious to see people in North America Protest. Especially Canada, where UN-employment is still single digits. Other places in the world, yeah... They have a valid reason to be angry, but then that's what happens to countries with little resources, and minimal exports.

Originally Posted by Mrpopo

Occupy won't get anything done because they aren't organized. You can argue whatever you want to me but I don't care. I've been to occupy wall street and occupy Atlanta, and it's mass hysteria free for all.

Thank you!


Out of the millions of angry upset people, only a small percentage of them are there for a valid reason, the rest are looking for attention.

To many of us working class people, we look at it like a bunch of people that are taking the easy way out by complaining to government. How about actually doing good in your community?

And whats with this latest generation expecting everything to be handed to them? Yeah, ok, so some of you have a University degree, but did you ever stop to realize that your degree isn't worth anything when you have a few million other people with the exact same piece of paper? no, you didn't. Stop complaining to the government or corporations.

I actually heard some student complain about how University should be free. YEAH, GOOD LUCK! It can never be free. This is what separates classes of people so we are not all poor. Education is power, and the people teaching it don't work for free.

I work in the Trades, and there is plenty of work to be had. Even in the slow times.

I'm not for or against any type of government, but these protests are just a bunch of misguided people angry and venting when they should be building a better tomorrow. Create Change, don't expect government to do anything about it.

A lot of people killed themselves in the 30's because they couldn't handle the pressure or find a way out... maybe some more 'thinning of the herd' needs to happen.

Originally Posted by word sux

we need a revolution

Yeah that is great, but have you seen some of these people at the protests? It's a great idea when someone actually has a plan, not a bunch of weed.

Truth is the US started selling itself out in the 70's when it started closing down factories. Companies got bigger, and started shifting to overseas manufacturing. Then in the 80's, people really caught onto the electronics and goodies they could buy, but the corporations can't turn a profit on union labor, so that leads us to now, where your great American Ideas are now being built in another country, thus CEO's and Factores take all the money.

Many of you called Steve Jobs a Hero. The Ipod may have been designed here, but it was built overseas. Steve Jobs, and others like him are the problem for taking advantage of us, the consumer. They basically sold out the country much like Indians sold land for Blankets and Wiskey. Our generation needed to have its Ipods, computers, and trinkets. And China was glad to have children make it for us. This is why China has a growing middle class, and the US has a shrinking middle class.


Edit: i'm still writing. I have a solution

The Solution
Attitude Change, and a few laws need to 'go away'.


Example
Laws and Regulations have killed small business. Example, It costs about 1.5 billion dollars for any new car to come to market. This is stupid. There is no reason why cars need 10 airbags, a certain number of crumple zones, special emission standards (while heavy industry had none, or little). Certain laws and regulations are so strict, its impossible for the little guy to enter a market and compete for a percentage of a business, thus leaving major Auto Companies total control of the direction of the automobile market. On top of this, Unions limit the profit margin. Within Globalization, profit margin is very important, being the rest of the world does not have the same Luxury Union benefits. Thus, Unions need to be phased out. Especially considering labor laws already protect workers as long as they are doing the job correctly. Solution: eliminate bogus safety laws for consumer products, and kill off a few unions. I bet there is a lot of people in Detroit that would come back to work at half of what they were making right now, non union.

Example 2
How is it that an Oil Company owns the legal rights to run Lithium Ion batteries in an Automobile? Copyright and Patent Laws are bogus and broken anyways. Eliminate them, but tax foreign importers of similar products. AKA, outsiders to the country should be taxed if they want to enter 'our' market. Get some money back to the people, and provide some protection to home based business. And for Pete's sake, get rid of the lawyers out there that are limiting growth to protect a companies bogus copyright/patent.

Example 3
Maybe I shouldn't sue McDonalds when I spill my coffee. There is far too many people going to court over the stupidest things. A few months back some guy was telling me how his brother was killed driving his Lancer. His parents are taking Mitsubishi to court saying he thought he was driving a Rally Car, and its false advertisement on the part of Mitsubishi. things like this should never go to court Companies shouldn't need to spend millions of dollars to lawyers to protect themselves against stupid people. When this happens, the costs filter down to the consumer, aka, you and I. (I also believe major flaws with Toyota should have never gone to court either. Driver eduction should have been improved instead, this leads me to example 4)

Example 4
Education. Its important to realize that education is very important, only if it gets you something in return. If you have a few degrees, but are living on Government Cheese, that's ok as long as you are happy. Students should never 'expect' a job waiting for them in any field, but rather be self motivated to find or create opportunity. The Government and Law shouldn't limit them either. What I mean by this is; it is great to have a dream, get educated, but make sure you never stay static. Be interested and engaged in different fields, and if you seek employment after school, make sure you are prepared to move, find, or create it. Never Expect it to be there for you. Business is ever changing. Also, work hard. As the world gets smaller, your competitors get closer.

When I was a kid, we had no Internet. Now its a major utopia of knowledge, with many people offering free education through places such as youtube. Yet more people watch some soldier yelling at the police (and I'm sure some of those officers served too) and comment about how bad things are. Part of this 'attitude change' needs to come from us. We need to stop feeding into mass hysteria, and start being more motivated to learn, create, and build. Not complain and comment or waste excessive time in leisure activities.

Things are not all that bad, but yes, they can be better. Compare yourself with a child I sponsor in Ethiopia whom use to use her families human waste to fertilize the garden so they could eat on a weekly basis (not daily). You really don't have it bad at all, but yes, we can all use some change, but this time, lets not change to protect the lazy and stupid people. Rid of some bogus laws, unions and lawyers. Allow the Creativity of people bring some new breath to the country that use to make everything.

[word sux]

Originally Posted by Walperstyle

If is hilarious to see people in North America Protest. Especially Canada, where UN-employment is still single digits. Other places in the world, yeah... They have a valid reason to be angry, but then that's what happens to countries with little resources, and minimal exports.




Thank you!


Out of the millions of angry upset people, only a small percentage of them are there for a valid reason, the rest are looking for attention.

To many of us working class people, we look at it like a bunch of people that are taking the easy way out by complaining to government. How about actually doing good in your community?

And whats with this latest generation expecting everything to be handed to them? Yeah, ok, so some of you have a University degree, but did you ever stop to realize that your degree isn't worth anything when you have a few million other people with the exact same piece of paper? no, you didn't. Stop complaining to the government or corporations.

I actually heard some student complain about how University should be free. YEAH, GOOD LUCK! It can never be free. This is what separates classes of people so we are not all poor. Education is power, and the people teaching it don't work for free.

I work in the Trades, and there is plenty of work to be had. Even in the slow times.

I'm not for or against any type of government, but these protests are just a bunch of misguided people angry and venting when they should be building a better tomorrow. Create Change, don't expect government to do anything about it.

This is the dumbest shit I have heard in awhile.


people are protesting so we don't end up a fucking 3rd world country. I am a "working class person" and I am angry as hell at the government and these corporations that are bleeding our countries dry.


apathy is unforgivable

[Walperstyle]

Originally Posted by word sux

This is the dumbest shit I have heard in awhile.


people are protesting so we don't end up a fucking 3rd world country. I am a "working class person" and I am angry as hell at the government and these corporations that are bleeding our countries dry.


apathy is unforgivable

Read everything I wrote, then tell me what you plan on doing about it. I think you fail to realize that you and I are also part of the problem.

(BTW: you are not 49 years old, you are probably mid 20's?. I know this because you said you were in Spanish class (middle school) sept 11th, 2001)