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keepitmovin · 01-22-2002, 07:51 PM

What you guys need to do is stop thw whole domestic vs import thing. They are all cars and thats it. Just think of it as a supra vs rx7 .....shoot respect the cars abilities and not just where it was made....

KoukiS14 · 01-23-2002, 08:11 AM

Steve Millen tested several sports cars in a recent mag I have. . I think it'd Road n Track Sports Cars n GT or something. . . Anyway, about the Cowmaro, he said he feels like he can drive it all day around the track with no prob...  The Vette, he said can be done but it's physically painful haha. .

I don't care though. . if I liked pieces of shit, I would have bought one, but think of it this way... my 97 240sx has 86k miles on it... With NO problems (cept for that weird thing the screen on my stereo does haha)

A "friend" of mine has a 95 Z28 with less miles, and needs a new TRANNY!!!!!!!!  it's also missing a bunch of wheel studs lol...  

I dunno. .  The numbers don't lie, but the 240sx is more of a driver's car. . and in my opinion, that's much better than numbers.

-Rob

Tuck&Poke · 01-23-2002, 08:20 AM

the only thing that keeps me from buying a domestic is that the insurance for a camaro a firebird a mustang or a corvette is reduculous.  especially for me.  i was thinking about a 91 mustang 5.0 but when i talked to the insurance guy i said forget it.  it was like over 2grand every 6months.  i know the 240sx has high insurance but its more reasonable.  but #### i would really like a big displacement v8.  the raw power that you can make from them for so little money is insane.  my friend spent 2gs on his car and its running mid 12's  i have to spend like 7g's to do that with my 240sx

240 2NR · 01-23-2002, 09:31 AM

The firebird still has that plasticy GM?pontiac look with the worst #### bparts bin interior of any manaufacturer.  Never ridden in one, so I can't compare except for the 6cyl ones.

Even the vette which is such a nice car and looks so nice on the outside, still has that lame GM interior.  I HATE those things.  But then again, the seats on my S13 suckass.  What were they thinking?  The early fullback S13 seats were so much nicer and not tweed!  All the more excuse to hook up a MOMO or sparco.

Krunko · 01-23-2002, 10:21 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from rabbit23 on 3:17 pm on Jan. 21, 2002
krunko i spit water out of my nose when i read your reply. the gt's are listed at 260 hp at 5600rpms.
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I'm confused...the GT what's? I was talking about vettes, camaros,  and civics.

Krunko · 01-23-2002, 10:24 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from rabbit23 on 3:17 pm on Jan. 21, 2002
krunko i spit water out of my nose when i read your reply. the gt's are listed at 260 hp at 5600rpms.
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Nevermind, I misunderstood your post..I thought you were disgusted at something I said but apparently you just thought it was funny...kind of like in elementary school where there's that kid who can shoot milk out his nose when you make him laugh, and then everyone makes him laugh cause they like him shooting milk out his nose.

i guess the GT statement was a whole seperate comment.

The Punk Genius · 01-23-2002, 10:29 AM

I like domestics, in fact one of my dream cars is my fathers 1965 427 sideoiler Cobra SC.

0-100mph and back to 0 in 11.7 secs.

tnord · 01-23-2002, 10:48 AM

Alright, i'm gonna put up one more post in response to crazycubans rant.

A cavalier z24 and a gsr are competitors, they are both FF, 2 doors, 4 cyl, and the same price, tell me how they are not competitors. It's just that the gsr is such a better car people don't even think about it as in the same class as the cavalier.

Yes the NSX handles incredibly well, i've never driven a skyline, but i don't know if i'd put a 4000lb+ car in the same category.

The whole MX-6/Probe thing, mazda designed the drivetrain for the car while ford did most of the work for the B-series and ranger. I would by no means call the probe a ford.

As far as mazda being owned by ford; let's not mix this up. This isn't a GM overseeing chev/pont/buick/olds deal where they make one car and rebadge it. Ford is the primary owner of mazda and provides funding, THEY DO NOT make/design/engineer mazdas. It's the same with nissan, renault just gives them money and structural support in the business sense. Sure they "encouraged" platform sharing to up profits, but the design and drivetrain is still up to nissan. Do you consider Bridgestone an american brand of tires?

Regarding you're statement of of domestics being used in the LeMans series; of course they use domestics, i assume what you're referring to is the American LeMans Series. Just as in the European LeMans series all you see is cars from Europe. Let's see who dominates F1/CART; Honda, toyota, ferrari, BMW, MB. Gee not one domestic. What about the IRL you say? Well that so called Aurora engine that wins all the time wasn't even made by GM, they had some european engine maker do it for them. And by the way, that Cadillac that did so well in ALMS i think, that wasn't GM's powerplant either.

In conclusion, i find it pathetic that the big three have to use engines 2x the size or more to be competitive to the overseas companies. And all the time they still have bad build quality. Why isn't GM making the F-body anymore? Because they're junk after 50k miles. GM needs to stop building cars (excluding Z06) and do the one thing it does well, trucks. Now the mustang Cobra and Cobra R, that's a different story, it's obvious that i don't like domestics, and i feel with just reason, but that is a fast car in all aspects of the word.

(Edited by tnord at 10:54 am on Jan. 23, 2002)

01-22-2002, 07:51 PM	#31
keepitmovin Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: so cal Posts: 299 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	What you guys need to do is stop thw whole domestic vs import thing. They are all cars and thats it. Just think of it as a supra vs rx7 .....shoot respect the cars abilities and not just where it was made....

01-23-2002, 08:11 AM	#32
KoukiS14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Indiana Age: 46 Posts: 944 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Steve Millen tested several sports cars in a recent mag I have. . I think it'd Road n Track Sports Cars n GT or something. . . Anyway, about the Cowmaro, he said he feels like he can drive it all day around the track with no prob...  The Vette, he said can be done but it's physically painful haha. . I don't care though. . if I liked pieces of shit, I would have bought one, but think of it this way... my 97 240sx has 86k miles on it... With NO problems (cept for that weird thing the screen on my stereo does haha) A "friend" of mine has a 95 Z28 with less miles, and needs a new TRANNY!!!!!!!!  it's also missing a bunch of wheel studs lol...   I dunno. .  The numbers don't lie, but the 240sx is more of a driver's car. . and in my opinion, that's much better than numbers. -Rob

01-23-2002, 08:20 AM	#33
Tuck&Poke Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIA Age: 37 Posts: 1,046 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the only thing that keeps me from buying a domestic is that the insurance for a camaro a firebird a mustang or a corvette is reduculous.  especially for me.  i was thinking about a 91 mustang 5.0 but when i talked to the insurance guy i said forget it.  it was like over 2grand every 6months.  i know the 240sx has high insurance but its more reasonable.  but #### i would really like a big displacement v8.  the raw power that you can make from them for so little money is insane.  my friend spent 2gs on his car and its running mid 12's  i have to spend like 7g's to do that with my 240sx

01-23-2002, 09:31 AM	#34
240 2NR Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 1,131 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The firebird still has that plasticy GM?pontiac look with the worst #### bparts bin interior of any manaufacturer.  Never ridden in one, so I can't compare except for the 6cyl ones. Even the vette which is such a nice car and looks so nice on the outside, still has that lame GM interior.  I HATE those things.  But then again, the seats on my S13 suckass.  What were they thinking?  The early fullback S13 seats were so much nicer and not tweed!  All the more excuse to hook up a MOMO or sparco.

01-23-2002, 10:21 AM	#35
Krunko Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 349 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from rabbit23 on 3:17 pm on Jan. 21, 2002 krunko i spit water out of my nose when i read your reply. the gt's are listed at 260 hp at 5600rpms. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I'm confused...the GT what's? I was talking about vettes, camaros,  and civics.

01-23-2002, 10:24 AM	#36
Krunko Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 349 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from rabbit23 on 3:17 pm on Jan. 21, 2002 krunko i spit water out of my nose when i read your reply. the gt's are listed at 260 hp at 5600rpms. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Nevermind, I misunderstood your post..I thought you were disgusted at something I said but apparently you just thought it was funny...kind of like in elementary school where there's that kid who can shoot milk out his nose when you make him laugh, and then everyone makes him laugh cause they like him shooting milk out his nose. i guess the GT statement was a whole seperate comment.

01-23-2002, 10:29 AM	#37
The Punk Genius Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 136 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I like domestics, in fact one of my dream cars is my fathers 1965 427 sideoiler Cobra SC. 0-100mph and back to 0 in 11.7 secs.

01-23-2002, 10:48 AM	#38
tnord Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Alright, i'm gonna put up one more post in response to crazycubans rant. A cavalier z24 and a gsr are competitors, they are both FF, 2 doors, 4 cyl, and the same price, tell me how they are not competitors. It's just that the gsr is such a better car people don't even think about it as in the same class as the cavalier. Yes the NSX handles incredibly well, i've never driven a skyline, but i don't know if i'd put a 4000lb+ car in the same category. The whole MX-6/Probe thing, mazda designed the drivetrain for the car while ford did most of the work for the B-series and ranger. I would by no means call the probe a ford. As far as mazda being owned by ford; let's not mix this up. This isn't a GM overseeing chev/pont/buick/olds deal where they make one car and rebadge it. Ford is the primary owner of mazda and provides funding, THEY DO NOT make/design/engineer mazdas. It's the same with nissan, renault just gives them money and structural support in the business sense. Sure they "encouraged" platform sharing to up profits, but the design and drivetrain is still up to nissan. Do you consider Bridgestone an american brand of tires? Regarding you're statement of of domestics being used in the LeMans series; of course they use domestics, i assume what you're referring to is the American LeMans Series. Just as in the European LeMans series all you see is cars from Europe. Let's see who dominates F1/CART; Honda, toyota, ferrari, BMW, MB. Gee not one domestic. What about the IRL you say? Well that so called Aurora engine that wins all the time wasn't even made by GM, they had some european engine maker do it for them. And by the way, that Cadillac that did so well in ALMS i think, that wasn't GM's powerplant either. In conclusion, i find it pathetic that the big three have to use engines 2x the size or more to be competitive to the overseas companies. And all the time they still have bad build quality. Why isn't GM making the F-body anymore? Because they're junk after 50k miles. GM needs to stop building cars (excluding Z06) and do the one thing it does well, trucks. Now the mustang Cobra and Cobra R, that's a different story, it's obvious that i don't like domestics, and i feel with just reason, but that is a fast car in all aspects of the word. (Edited by tnord at 10:54 am on Jan. 23, 2002)