The Sr20/Sr22vet thread

[hanzbrady]

Hey guys, the part number you need is Denso:IK24, IK27, IK31 The numbers dictate head range. Generally street cars are happy with the 24's

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by hanzbrady

Hey guys, the part number you need is Denso:IK24, IK27, IK31 The numbers dictate head range. Generally street cars are happy with the 24's

And there you go jr

Thanks Hanz!

[s13silvia123]

Originally Posted by hanzbrady

Hey guys, the part number you need is Denso:IK24, IK27, IK31 The numbers dictate head range. Generally street cars are happy with the 24's

which one dictates what heat range?

[hanzbrady]

Originally Posted by s13silvia123

which one dictates what heat range?

24, 27, and 31 are the heat ranges.

[speedingmofa]

Originally Posted by s13silvia123

which one dictates what heat range?

This might help



@hanzbrady Thx for the reply bud! Are those regular ACL's or the Race's types? Unfortunately, crank has alraedy been externally balanced. So i will be using the regular 17's on the rods

[hanzbrady]

Originally Posted by speedingmofa

This might help



@hanzbrady Thx for the reply bud! Are those regular ACL's or the Race's types? Unfortunately, crank has alraedy been externally balanced. So i will be using the regular 17's on the rods

We use ACL race bearings. As for what you just said, all sport compact engines are internally balanced, not external just figured I'd clear that up.

[speedingmofa]

Guys, can i get a bit of advice on what type of bearings to use for a vet setup?

Block has been machined with oil groooves (sr20ve style, i think the gtir also has them machined) to accept gtir 5-hole bearings.
It's a daily driver with the occasional track/drift use.

I'm sort of leaning towards ACL race or Kings bearings, but i'm having doubts wether to maintain the loser end of the standard recommended clearance (according to FSM 0.025mm) or use the X (+0.025mm/0.001") bearings.

Motor will see max 8.5k rpm on 16ve cams, supertech S+R, HX40 on TS exh mani

And has anyone been able to fit a 4" elbow+downpipe in a LHD s14?

[hanzbrady]

Originally Posted by speedingmofa

Guys, can i get a bit of advice on what type of bearings to use for a vet setup?

Block has been machined with oil groooves (sr20ve style, i think the gtir also has them machined) to accept gtir 5-hole bearings.
It's a daily driver with the occasional track/drift use.

I'm sort of leaning towards ACL race or Kings bearings, but i'm having doubts wether to maintain the loser end of the standard recommended clearance (according to FSM 0.025mm) or use the X (+0.025mm/0.001") bearings.

Motor will see max 8.5k rpm on 16ve cams, supertech S+R, HX40 on TS exh mani

And has anyone been able to fit a 4" elbow+downpipe in a LHD s14?

We use ACL on every build at the shop when they're available. Use GTi-R bearings, and I'd recommend using a 19mm rod bearing however they require rod machining. Don't bother with HX bearings unless you need them, we also shoot for factory tolerances.

[speedingmofa]

What i meant is that it was balanced by itself. Balance was then checked with flywheel attached. Never saw the procedure with my own eyes though.
So that's called individually balanced then i suppose?

[hanzbrady]

Originally Posted by speedingmofa

What i meant is that it was balanced by itself, i think with the flywheel or some weight attached where the flywheel is supposed to be. Never saw it being balanced with my own eyes though.
So that's called individually balanced then i suppose?

Well there's essentially two types of engine balancing, external and internal.
V shaped engines, especially old school V8s will be externally balanced meaning that the flywheel and balancer have counter weights on them to correct the imbalance in the crank and rotating assembly.

On sport compact and inline engines you have internal balancing, meaning that since the action of two pistons simultaneously rising cancels out harmonics found in V orientated engines. This way you just have to balance the crank and the rotating assembly by themselves. All sport compact and inline flywheels, clutches, and dampers are "zero balance" meaning that you can change them without ruining the balance of your engine.

[jr_ss]

I ordered a set of IK24's. I should've ordered some IK22's to keep the heat range the same. We'll see how the car responds with it.

[brndck]

+1 for ACL bearings. Bluemoon did my assembly and thats what they recommended (of course, WPC treated, for overkills sake)

[s13silvia123]

Cams and Turbo setup!!!! + supporting mods


What are you go pushing with the twin scroll GTX3076 turbo? I want at least around 550ish HP. This is the only turbo i have laying around besides a greddy 18g. I want to see who's doing well with the twin scroll GTX3076 and what numbers are you guys putting up so i can determine on cam setup.

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by s13silvia123

Cams and Turbo setup!!!! + supporting mods


What are you go pushing with the twin scroll GTX3076 turbo? I want at least around 550ish HP. This is the only turbo i have laying around besides a greddy 18g. I want to see who's doing well with the twin scroll GTX3076 and what numbers are you guys putting up so i can determine on cam setup.

P11 cams are good for 600 HP. I would not spend the time on cam choice unless going for 6-700 WHP (not Crank HP)

[RalliartRsX]

Soooooo..............Anyone using Kelford 184C cams??

[s13silvia123]

honestly I want 600hp.

P11 VS. P12 cams. which one would be more sufficient in less lag and quicker spool.

[RalliartRsX]

P12 are supposedly better.

However, if you want 600 HP either P11 or P12 will work or go spend $1000 on a set of Kelfords (which are out of stock until Nov direct from Kelford, although Mazworx should be getting new shipment shortly)

[japslapsilvia]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

P12 are supposedly better.

However, if you want 600 HP either P11 or P12 will work or go spend $1000 on a set of Kelfords (which are out of stock until Nov direct from Kelford, although Mazworx should be getting new shipment shortly)

Mazworx already has them, I got my 184-St's on Tuesday. Call Hanz, super cool dude to work with.

[jr_ss]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

P11 cams are good for 600 HP. I would not spend the time on cam choice unless going for 6-700 WHP (not Crank HP)

The problem with P11 cams is they fall off hard up top.

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

P12 are supposedly better.

However, if you want 600 HP either P11 or P12 will work or go spend $1000 on a set of Kelfords (which are out of stock until Nov direct from Kelford, although Mazworx should be getting new shipment shortly)

P12's are an upgrade over the P11's but the N1's are the bees knees in terms of factory cam options. There is no sense in spending $8-900 dollars for $400 cams with Kelfords(184-B) name on them.

I'm not saying there aren't better options, but for most people in the 4-700hp world, 1k$ cams aren't needed.

[speedingmofa]

Why is there no love for 16ve cams? My head came with them so I'll be using them on my build....

[RalliartRsX]

EDIT: I will dig some of the info up on the ramps and such on the 16VE cams

In the meantime, this is a VERY good read! Lots of head and cam info (including info on ramp angles for the VE and why you can use the 16VE cam and not float stock SR20VE valve springs past 8000 RPM)

SR20VE-101-The-good-info

[brndck]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

EDIT: I will dig some of the info up on the ramps and such on the 16VE cams

In the meantime, this is a VERY good read! Lots of head and cam info (including info on ramp angles for the VE and why you can use the 16VE cam and not float stock SR20VE valve springs past 8000 RPM)

SR20VE-101-The-good-info

Awesome, thanks for the info! gonna read this on break.

[RalliartRsX]

One thing to take a note of: What works great for a NA VE, does necessarily translate to a mild turbo VE (example: relatively long duration cams).

[RalliartRsX]

Kelford has several different cam options through Mazworx. It seems they were using the 20V low lobes and the N1 high lobes and 20V overlap (or something like that).

I wouldnt spend 1000 on those, but if I were to spend that kind of dough on cams, those are the specs I would shoot for if I want 600+ WHP.

The N1s are great on high boost.

[jr_ss]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

The N1s are great on high boost.

Isn't that the only type of boost? ;p

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by jr_ss

Isn't that the only type of boost? ;p

When people ask how much boost I am running. The response

ALL OF IT!

[hanzbrady]

Hey guys just to chime into the conversation, we are now dealing Kelfords directly as the US distributor that they were working with no longer plans to stock them. This means that we now can get cams usually in about 2 weeks if we don't have them on the shelf. We try to keep quite a few in stock though so if you're interested shoot us an email or give me a call!

[s13silvia123]

Originally Posted by hanzbrady

Hey guys just to chime into the conversation, we are now dealing Kelfords directly as the US distributor that they were working with no longer plans to stock them. This means that we now can get cams usually in about 2 weeks if we don't have them on the shelf. We try to keep quite a few in stock though so if you're interested shoot us an email or give me a call!

what's your name so i can call

[hanzbrady]

Originally Posted by s13silvia123

what's your name so i can call

Hey man,

My name is Hanz (kinda like from Frozen & Star Wars (Yes I know that technically Han, but this helps people haha.) .) We actually just closed but shoot me an email [email protected] and I'll answer your questions 24/7 for the most part.

[TheRealSy90]

Hanz is the best.


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