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BigVinnie · 08-07-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

Get used to it.. ARP moved production facilities to china about 6 months ago. Alot of racers have found this out.

as for the stud in the block... you'll need this

- Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices

I know I don't even use ARP for anything any more.
I'll either get the bolts I need from fastenal, or from McMaster Carr, fucking expensive bolts but the quality and grade is superior. Just putting it out there that there are alternatives to ARP.

mattro · 08-07-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVinnie

I know I don't even use ARP for anything any more.
I'll either get the bolts I need from fastenal, or from McMaster Carr, fucking expensive bolts but the quality and grade is superior. Just putting it out there that there are alternatives to ARP.

cool cool, i will look into fastenal, there is one near me.

steve shadows · 08-07-2009, 07:22 PM

wow i did not know they moved to CHINA

what a total FAIL

doesnt really matter for me, I only recommend the Maxworx ones now...

TheWolf · 08-08-2009, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

wow i did not know they moved to CHINA

what a total FAIL

doesnt really matter for me, I only recommend the Maxworx ones now...

Alot of builders have been having problems with new Arp2000 rod bolts with what were bullet proof setups they had been running for years. I know one guy who's got 4 motors in his shop with split rods. They've switched to the aged 625 stuff and it seems to have fixed it.

I thought mazworx kit was ARP studs just in 1/2" instead of the metric.

jr_ss · 08-08-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

Alot of builders have been having problems with new Arp2000 rod bolts with what were bullet proof setups they had been running for years. I know one guy who's got 4 motors in his shop with split rods. They've switched to the aged 625 stuff and it seems to have fixed it.

I thought mazworx kit was ARP studs just in 1/2" instead of the metric.

I believe Mazworx worked in collaboration with ARP to design a headbolt/stud specifically for our application, rather than the generic units most of use have. Their bolts seat all the way down in the head similiar to the Greddy/Tomei units, that preload the threads in the block before you start trqing them down.

The 1/2" studs are an upgrade and requires machining to your head/block.

steve shadows · 08-08-2009, 07:49 PM

Yeah I suggest the big BOYS, for the serious people

chingon · 08-09-2009, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigVinnie

I know I don't even use ARP for anything any more.
I'll either get the bolts I need from fastenal, or from McMaster Carr, fucking expensive bolts but the quality and grade is superior. Just putting it out there that there are alternatives to ARP.

Haha, I was gonna suggest MCmaster Carr. I always wondered how much it would cost to put together a stud set from their catalogue....and then sell as aftermarket super-duper mega bolts ala ARP.

BigVinnie · 08-09-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chingon

Haha, I was gonna suggest MCmaster Carr. I always wondered how much it would cost to put together a stud set from their catalogue....and then sell as aftermarket super-duper mega bolts ala ARP.

SHHHHH! we aren't suppose to be giving away the McMaster-CARR secrets.
Before you know it all we would need from JGS is the manifold flanges, instead of a kit thats over priced, while everyone else buy's the exhaust tubing for a fraction of the price....
Only people that are into aeronautics,mechanical engineering, and industrial work really know alot about McMaster-Carr.

mattro · 08-12-2009, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWolf

Get used to it.. ARP moved production facilities to china about 6 months ago. Alot of racers have found this out.

as for the stud in the block... you'll need this

- Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices

according to the cust service ppl at arp there still made entirely in the usa, i made a point to ask.

BigVinnie · 08-12-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mattro

according to the cust service ppl at arp there still made entirely in the usa, i made a point to ask.

I asked too. Its not the production that moved to china. The steel is coming from china, and if the steel isn't processed/forged correctly it will be brittle and snap. I've been using Chinese steel for some industrial applications and it's horrendous. I've literally snapped number 4 rebar with my bare hands.
The good steel comes from USA, Germany, and India but it's almost double the price.

TheWolf · 08-13-2009, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mattro

according to the cust service ppl at arp there still made entirely in the usa, i made a point to ask.

then I guess it should read "Made in the USA with Chinese Materials"

mattro · 08-13-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

then I guess it should read "Made in the USA with Chinese Materials"

lol yea pretty much.

next time i do anything and arp is an option, im using the other option.

mattro · 08-15-2009, 06:41 PM

so i get my new bolt in the mail, and not wanting to live through ^ that again, i took it to my friends dad, who has built many many engines. and who also happens to be ASE certified. you will not guess what happened AGAIN but in a different location in the block.

im seriously packing my lemon suit to fly to cali and camp outside of ARP's corporate office.

mattro · 08-17-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

anyone who uses english in the following maner "ARP CANT BE TRUSTED NO MORE"

cannot be trusted.

You need to slow down for a second and think logically.

Mazworx makes a far superior stud set but is tripple the price.

It is very possible you got the wrong units, defects or tool failure in you have the exactly right instrucitons.

Something is off though...105 is ALOT, unless they revised the kit from a couple of years ago

i checked into the mazworx stud kit, arp makes it. so thats fubar.

any other suggestions?

jr_ss · 08-18-2009, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jr_ss

I believe Mazworx worked in collaboration with ARP to design a headbolt/stud specifically for our application, rather than the generic units most of us have. Their bolts seat all the way down in the head similiar to the Greddy/Tomei units, that preload the threads in the block before you start trqing them down.

The 1/2" studs are an upgrade and requires machining to your head/block.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattro

i checked into the mazworx stud kit, arp makes it. so thats fubar.

any other suggestions?

Welcome to the conversation...

I'm telling you man, 80ft-lbs is all the higher you should be trqing them. I understand ARP has said 105ft-lbs, but you've now twisted off 2 ARP's.

I've bought 2 sets from them, one as recently as Jan. Both of my kits have said 80ft-lbs.

BigVinnie · 08-18-2009, 05:47 PM

DAMN IT!! The mcmaster-carr bolt is 20mm shorter!!!!

Fastenal does offer the bolt. Cost $5.14
General Information
Fastenal Part No. (SKU) 23924
UNSPSC 31161518
Manufacturer FNL
Category Fasteners > Sockets > Socket Cap Screws
Diameter 5/8"
Drive Hex
Drive Size 1/2"
Finish Plain
Length 4"
Material Steel
Thread Fine
Thread Size 18

jr_ss · 08-20-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVinnie

DAMN IT!! The mcmaster-carr bolt is 20mm shorter!!!!

Fastenal does offer the bolt. Cost $5.14
General Information
Fastenal Part No. (SKU) 23924
UNSPSC 31161518
Manufacturer FNL
Category Fasteners > Sockets > Socket Cap Screws
Diameter 5/8"
Drive Hex
Drive Size 1/2"
Finish Plain
Length 4"
Material Steel
Thread Fine
Thread Size 18

This is no different than a factory head bolt. Studs have a much higher clamping force than bolts.

steve shadows · 08-20-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mattro

i checked into the mazworx stud kit, arp makes it. so thats fubar.

any other suggestions?

I would contact Maxworx direct, i know they were making thier own in-house that were about 350 bucks for the set...i know I know...but call them and see what is up and voice your concerns...

McCoy · 08-21-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

I would contact Maxworx direct, i know they were making thier own in-house that were about 350 bucks for the set...i know I know...but call them and see what is up and voice your concerns...

Actually, there head stud kit is $184.99... straight from their website.

Mazworx

AznXstazy · 08-21-2009, 09:41 AM

just reuse the kits you ordered. replace the ones you messed up with the ones in your new kit or vis versa. as for tqing them so high i would NOT. even honda kits tq them to manufacture spec. arp recommended like 95lbs and i was about to break a the studs in there i could feel it. and left it at 65lbs. factory spec was 63. and i been driving it for about a month now. 300 miles a week. running fine. no leaky headgasket or anything. just my .02

mattro · 08-21-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by McCoy

Actually, there head stud kit is $184.99... straight from their website.

Mazworx

but it is a arp product.

anywho. update i got a call from arp today. seems that lots of ppl are having this exact problem, and it turns out it was bad assembly lube. theve shipped a brand new kit and new "fixed" lube.

and new "revised" tq instructions.

and i said "lube" 3 times in this post !

now all i have to do is reach arou....

rofl. done.

BigVinnie · 08-21-2009, 06:16 PM

Blame it on the LUBE!!!! LOL
I blame it on the the steel!!!
They even released different TQ specs.

jr_ss · 08-21-2009, 06:37 PM

I'd go to 80 and stop...

mattro · 08-21-2009, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jr_ss

I'd go to 80 and stop...

yea thats what the guy on the phone said.

but yea.

its always a safe bet to blame the lube.

steve shadows · 08-21-2009, 08:08 PM

I usually suggest 75 MAX, 80 absolute MAX to The MAX, MAXOR!!!!!

mattro · 08-25-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

I usually suggest 75 MAX, 80 absolute MAX to The MAX, MAXOR!!!!!

they just sent me new instructions that say 85 lol

jr_ss · 08-25-2009, 07:25 PM

75-80, you'll be fine there...

Tantwoforty · 08-26-2009, 04:17 AM

at least they took care of you.

BigVinnie · 08-26-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mattro

they just sent me new instructions that say 85 lol

What is the PSI tensile strength of those studs?

mattro · 08-26-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVinnie

What is the PSI tensile strength of those studs?

off the top of my head i have no clue. where would one look for this info?

08-07-2009, 07:22 PM	#33
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	wow i did not know they moved to CHINA what a total FAIL doesnt really matter for me, I only recommend the Maxworx ones now... __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

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08-18-2009, 05:47 PM	#46
BigVinnie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Walnut Crizzle, Crackifornia Age: 45 Posts: 1,266 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: BigVinnie Feedback Score: 0 reviews	DAMN IT!! The mcmaster-carr bolt is 20mm shorter!!!! Fastenal does offer the bolt. Cost $5.14 General Information Fastenal Part No. (SKU) 23924 UNSPSC 31161518 Manufacturer FNL Category Fasteners > Sockets > Socket Cap Screws Diameter 5/8" Drive Hex Drive Size 1/2" Finish Plain Length 4" Material Steel Thread Fine Thread Size 18 __________________ Last edited by BigVinnie; 08-18-2009 at 06:40 PM..

08-21-2009, 06:16 PM	#52
BigVinnie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Walnut Crizzle, Crackifornia Age: 45 Posts: 1,266 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: BigVinnie Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Blame it on the LUBE!!!! LOL I blame it on the the steel!!! They even released different TQ specs. __________________

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jr_ss Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pa Posts: 6,412 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	I'd go to 80 and stop... __________________ My SR20VET Does your VTC gear rattle in your S14/15 SR? PM me.

08-15-2009, 06:41 PM	#43
mattro Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: henrietta, ny Age: 35 Posts: 478 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	so i get my new bolt in the mail, and not wanting to live through ^ that again, i took it to my friends dad, who has built many many engines. and who also happens to be ASE certified. you will not guess what happened AGAIN but in a different location in the block. im seriously packing my lemon suit to fly to cali and camp outside of ARP's corporate office.

08-21-2009, 09:41 AM	#50
AznXstazy Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bleh Posts: 154 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	just reuse the kits you ordered. replace the ones you messed up with the ones in your new kit or vis versa. as for tqing them so high i would NOT. even honda kits tq them to manufacture spec. arp recommended like 95lbs and i was about to break a the studs in there i could feel it. and left it at 65lbs. factory spec was 63. and i been driving it for about a month now. 300 miles a week. running fine. no leaky headgasket or anything. just my .02

08-21-2009, 08:08 PM	#55
steve shadows Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: LA and OC Posts: 8,202 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I usually suggest 75 MAX, 80 absolute MAX to The MAX, MAXOR!!!!! __________________ Like Me on FaceBook !

08-25-2009, 07:25 PM	#57
jr_ss Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pa Posts: 6,412 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	75-80, you'll be fine there... __________________ My SR20VET Does your VTC gear rattle in your S14/15 SR? PM me.

08-26-2009, 04:17 AM	#58
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