The Future Automotive Thread

[Kn1ves]

AXED: Test mule is for the new 350z not an S-Chassis
Well according to Edmunds. What they said makes sense.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=121266

[SimpleS14]

That does make sense....as a 370Z is bound to hit the markets, so we should expect to see a prototype floating around.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I knew it was too good to be true...think nissan makes enough money off the Z33, no need to make something cheaper that will only take sales away from the base model Z33s. Best bet for a sub $25k RWD sports coupe would be a last year base Z33 that didnt get sold...

[exitspeed]

Damn. Well it's still nothing more then speculation. We'll know for sure by Jan. though. I'd expect to see the new Z or a new RWD Nissan at the NAIAS.

[Kn1ves]

ehh Autoblog is also reporting that it might be the new Supra (FT-HS)

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/18/i...ta-ft-hs-mule/

*waits and see*

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

ehh Autoblog is also reporting that it might be the new Supra (FT-HS)

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/18/i...ta-ft-hs-mule/

*waits and see*

Yea, I saw that. At this point I think everyone is more confused then more informed.

We're damn near back to square one. We really don't know shit and everything is back to speculation.

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

ehh Autoblog is also reporting that it might be the new Supra (FT-HS)

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/18/i...ta-ft-hs-mule/

*waits and see*

That can't be true....since that mule was spotted at Nissan's garage and surrounded by Nissan vehicles. I'm pretty sure Nissan wouldn't allow Toyota to do that.

[infinitexsound]

im pretty sure that car is going to have that infiniti styling.. they wouldnt use a 350z chassis anything on it currently.. on a new vehicle... its gonna be a totally new chassis...i wonder what the powerplant is gonna be... hopefully something with turbo....

[Matej]

Not sure how believable this source is, but supposedly it's the new Z?


Also look at this, an AE86 successor?

[axiomatik]

I hope those AE86 renders aren't from toyota, the black bumpers look like crap. Just makes it look like it was recently in an accident and the owner was too broke to get it painted.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Matej

Not sure how believable this source is, but supposedly it's the new Z?


Also look at this, an AE86 successor?

First one of the Z is the one we've been discussing recently.

The second one of the 86 is new to me. Those renderings are just that, renderings. They probably aren't from Toyota, more then likely from a Magazine. Man I hate the pushed forward A-Pillars.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

First one of the Z is the one we've been discussing recently.

The second one of the 86 is new to me. Those renderings are just that, renderings. They probably aren't from Toyota, more then likely from a Magazine. Man I hate the pushed forward A-Pillars.

The renderings are from Best Car, a japanese magazine known for its accurate stories and very inaccurate renderings.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Yuri

The renderings are from Best Car, a japanese magazine known for its accurate stories and very inaccurate renderings.

Just as I suspected.

[bamaboy]

Originally Posted by infinitexsound

im pretty sure that car is going to have that infiniti styling.. they wouldnt use a 350z chassis anything on it currently.. on a new vehicle... its gonna be a totally new chassis...i wonder what the powerplant is gonna be... hopefully something with turbo....

I highly doubt that we will see anything from Nissan with factory turbos, seeing as they aren't currently using them on any other applications and the VQ is doing extremely well without it.

[articdragon192]

The GTR is coming with stock twins, so I don't see why Nissan won't go back to using turbo/s

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by articdragon192

The GTR is coming with stock twins, so I don't see why Nissan won't go back to using turbo/s

Because its expensive? Whats the point of slapping a turbo on engines when the NA VQs are already hitting 300hp? Its not really practical to slap turbos on the 4 bangers since that will drive up the cost of the car.

[exitspeed]

So I got to thinking last night about all these RWD cars in development. One car we haven't mentioned which would be kinda cool...How about a new Starion!? Minus the Chysler version though.

Obviously Mitsu is in no shape to produce a car like this, but it's a nice thought. IIRC Hyundai and Mitsu have partnered up on cars in the past. And since we know Hyundai is developing a chassis right now that could be a way for them to divvy up the cost ie make it cheaper for them.

I'd like to see something with the Starion style fenders!

Anyway, just some food for thought.

[ixfxi]

that kabura looks pretty ugly.

i dont understand why everyone is so uppedy. want a RWD car? buy a used one. yeah, they're all fairly expensive.. which is why 240s are cheap.

either way, you gotta pay to play. making a RWD car CHEAP isnt economical or profitable, which is why scions exist. its as simple as that.

[Enjin]

I think that the entry level, i.e. cheap, f/r cars are a horrible idea.

think about this: the majority of the s13/s14 enthusiasts are BROKE.

we cant afford a new car... and if we could, we could not afford the insurance.

Who is going to drop 20k on a new car, mod it, AND pay the insurance?

for that money, Im sure most people in our group would probably just take a pristine s13 shell, about 1k, throw an ls1 in it, completely redo all of the joints, bushings, etc, and just roll on a baller, $10k at most build, and pay minimal insurance.

thats just the way we are.

the niche for the newer, cheaper, f/r cars will not come until they are affordable, both insurance and initial purchase price... maybe 5 or 10 years after the production year.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Enjin

I think that the entry level, i.e. cheap, f/r cars are a horrible idea.

think about this: the majority of the s13/s14 enthusiasts are BROKE.

we cant afford a new car... and if we could, we could not afford the insurance.

Who is going to drop 20k on a new car, mod it, AND pay the insurance?

for that money, Im sure most people in our group would probably just take a pristine s13 shell, about 1k, throw an ls1 in it, completely redo all of the joints, bushings, etc, and just roll on a baller, $10k at most build, and pay minimal insurance.

thats just the way we are.

the niche for the newer, cheaper, f/r cars will not come until they are affordable, both insurance and initial purchase price... maybe 5 or 10 years after the production year.

You are correct in the sense that most YOUNGER 240 owners are broke. Most of us older guys...are not. There are quit a few of us older guys are waiting patiently for these cars to arrive.

Also, look at how many MS 3's, TC's, Sky's, Solstice's, they are selling right now in the $25k price range to the same demographic. Obviously the TC is on the lower end of that and is FWD (as is the 3), but really it's the same buyer.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by Enjin

I think that the entry level, i.e. cheap, f/r cars are a horrible idea.

think about this: the majority of the s13/s14 enthusiasts are BROKE.

we cant afford a new car... and if we could, we could not afford the insurance.

Who is going to drop 20k on a new car, mod it, AND pay the insurance?

for that money, Im sure most people in our group would probably just take a pristine s13 shell, about 1k, throw an ls1 in it, completely redo all of the joints, bushings, etc, and just roll on a baller, $10k at most build, and pay minimal insurance.

thats just the way we are.

the niche for the newer, cheaper, f/r cars will not come until they are affordable, both insurance and initial purchase price... maybe 5 or 10 years after the production year.

Why would cheap FR cars be a horrible idea? That's like saying your S13 should've never been made. Maybe they're not as marketable and don't sell in boatloads like cheap economy sedans when they're new, but they're also not produced in such great numbers, and if the company knows what it's doing, the car will find a fan base and it'll sell well.

Most of the non-enthusiast general public buys new cars based on price, looks, and features that most of us don't care about. If you asked random people on the street, half of them wouldn't be able to tell if you if their car is FWD or RWD. As long as the car appeals to people, people will buy it. If you can't afford one new, you can always buy a used one later on.

[Enjin]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

You are correct in the sense that most YOUNGER 240 owners are broke. Most of us older guys...are not. There are quit a few of us older guys are waiting patiently for these cars to arrive.

Also, look at how many MS 3's, TC's, Sky's, Solstice's, they are selling right now in the $25k price range to the same demographic. Obviously the TC is on the lower end of that and is FWD (as is the 3), but really it's the same buyer.

maybe Im just seeing my local scene.

I live in memphis. the income is relatively low compared to other areas of the country. so the cars really arent as nice.

everyone here that has a 240 has money problems. Im dead serious haha.

no one that I know here in this town has really PAID for their ms3. tc. sky, solstice, whatever. If someone has one of those cars, their dad paid for it, they wont let them MOD IT OUT sic tight style.

then the people that graduate school or whatever... they have a house to pay for, other bills to pay... I think once you graduate, youve pretty muched moved on from the whole 240 thing, and dont want to buy a newer car to mod, because your focus has changed.

THEN, once you are financially stable, paid off a house and a daily driver car, THEN YOUVE GOT FREAKN KIDS you have to supply all their CRAP!

so in the end... I think Im going to be like 40 and have the choice of restoring an s13 and my son calling me a lame hotrodder or something, and buying a porsche 1002 that runs on freaken water and calling it a day.

small niche, still, in my opinion.

[Enjin]

and Im just playing devils advocate... I would really love to see it

[fliprayzin240sx]

Well whats funny is that most of us who tunes cars wouldnt buy a brand new car. Most of us are 2nd, 3rd, maybe even 4th owner of cars we modify. Why would I wanna buy a brand new car to modify and pay the price tag on it and risk blowing the warranty on it? Ill wait for a car thats older since im changing suspension, modify/rebuild the engine, change body (repaint/bodykit) on it.

[CKAMC]

^^agree'd with ray

clean body is what most of us look for, not having car payments is probably the only other thing that we love.

[SimpleSexy180]

Well, I COULD buy a new car. Even if i wanted to modify it (besides wheels), modifications that matter dont come out for awhile...

[splicer]

Originally Posted by Enjin

maybe Im just seeing my local scene.

I live in memphis. the income is relatively low compared to other areas of the country. so the cars really arent as nice.

everyone here that has a 240 has money problems. Im dead serious haha.

no one that I know here in this town has really PAID for their ms3. tc. sky, solstice, whatever. If someone has one of those cars, their dad paid for it, they wont let them MOD IT OUT sic tight style.

then the people that graduate school or whatever... they have a house to pay for, other bills to pay... I think once you graduate, youve pretty muched moved on from the whole 240 thing, and dont want to buy a newer car to mod, because your focus has changed.

THEN, once you are financially stable, paid off a house and a daily driver car, THEN YOUVE GOT FREAKN KIDS you have to supply all their CRAP!

so in the end... I think Im going to be like 40 and have the choice of restoring an s13 and my son calling me a lame hotrodder or something, and buying a porsche 1002 that runs on freaken water and calling it a day.

small niche, still, in my opinion.

I wouldn't buy a new car right now because their's nothing I like. The 350z is too much, and the EVO and Sti are AWD. If there was a new 240sx I'd def buy it. Right now I have 2 240sxs, it's not cause I'm broke or because I'm young, it's because I love the S chassis. Why would you grow out of a 240sx? That just means YOU were going through a phase...have you seen how many WRXs and EVOs there are on the road? A new 240sx WOULD sell...I just hope IF it comes out, the wheel base isn't too short=bad for drifting. Look at the stubby 300zx, those things are terrible drift cars!

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by splicer

.I just hope IF it comes out, the wheel base isn't too short=bad for drifting. Look at the stubby 300zx, those things are terrible drift cars!

Well if it's based off of the Urge concept that was made on a shortened 350z platform. I wanna say it was like 4" shorter, so not much.

I would buy a new car and mod it. I've already done it with two other cars. Granted those two cars sucked, but at that time there wasn't really any cool new cars like there is now.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I'd honestly buy a 350Z or G35 coupe. Im at that point right now that wrenching sucks, I can live without it. I dont come back stateside for atleast 4 yrs, I can see Z's being dirt cheap by then. When i left, Ive found some for roughly $15k for 03s. 4 Years from now, we'd probably be swapping in GTR engines or VQ37DEs

[exitspeed]

New spy shots of the Hyundai RWD coupe. I like the window's and C-pillar. It doesn't look extremely fat like a lof of cars today. The over-all profile doesn't look too bad. Beggers can't be choosers right?



http://www.autoblog.com/photos/hyund...ots-ii/314610/