The Future Automotive Thread

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by mechanicalmoron

That's a nondescript fucking blob, with a mishmash of everyone else's obnixiously non-offensive design language.

On the highway at speed, you'd never know or care what car you just saw - maybe some bit of fiat-chrysler-fuckery? A honda? a toyota? a kia? A sports car? a hypermileing econobox with a "my other car is a bong" bumper sticker?

Kinda like the original?



Is that a Citation? An Escort? Maybe a Civic or Accord Hatch? How about a Dodge Charger?

Just some square 80's shit box.

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by mechanicalmoron

That's a nondescript fucking blob, with a mishmash of everyone else's obnixiously non-offensive design language.

On the highway at speed, you'd never know or care what car you just saw - maybe some bit of fiat-chrysler-fuckery? A honda? a toyota? a kia? A sports car? a hypermileing econobox with a "my other car is a bong" bumper sticker?

I think all of this is kind of a stretch...

Originally Posted by cdlong

The wheels are ok-ish. the previous gen wheels are probably the worst OEM wheels out there in recent history so anything is an improvement.

Ya, compared to previous modern OEM Subaru/ Toyota rims they aren?t terrible, but they just had to make them black.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by BryanSayWhat

I think all of this is kind of a stretch...



Ya, compared to previous modern OEM Subaru/ Toyota rims they aren?t terrible, but they just had to make them black.

Black Wheels are so 2010.

[mechanicalmoron]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Kinda like the original?



Is that a Citation? An Escort? Maybe a Civic or Accord Hatch? How about a Dodge Charger?

Just some square 80's shit box.

No, I think it might be better than the original .

Sometimes uninspired things are great, maybe moreso in retrospect - but I'm still not going to argue for a lack of inspiration in things they haven't made yet.

[Future240]

Two swan song cars coming out this year. I think either one would be dope to drive but the Caddy would be the absolute shit.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...rototype-ride/


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...onfirmed-2021/

[deolio]

Here's a sentence we thought we'd never write: the Cadillac will be the only vehicle in its class with a manual.

I had to reread this a couple times. Definitely not something I thought I'd ever read lol

[nick_d_240sx]

Z reveal coming later today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcw9K7n5sJ0

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by nick_d_240sx

Z reveal coming later today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcw9K7n5sJ0

Are we taking bets?

[nick_d_240sx]

Here's my guess.

From the Nissan website: Twin Turbo V6, Manual available.

Weight probably coming in around 3500LBS similar to 370Z.

$28K Base model gets: 300hp, manual/auto, cloth seats, crappy run of the mill wheels. 22/33mpg

$37K Touring model gets: 300hp, manual/auto, leather seats, crappy run of the mill wheels. 22/33mpg

$49.9K Nismo? model gets: 400hp, manual/auto, leather seats/accents/stitching, carbon something, maybe bigger brakes, a wing or someshit, nicer wheels. 19/28mpg?

[KA24DESOneThree]

I'm seeing around $40k base from Yahoo's latest interview with Ashwani Gupta.

https://youtu.be/4o1EXTn49-E

3:25.

[snags]

well that whole "reveal" didnt exactly reveal much as far as details go.. including price. lame

[dorkidori_s13]

glad they dropped the displacement numbering system. wouldve been nice if they went back to 300Z as that is the most widely recognized number for the car.

but yeah... *yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn*. wake me up when Nissan actually remembers it used to make the "everymans sports car" with the S-Chassis.

i will say it looks light years better than the bloated and rather unpleasant to look at 370z. and im pretty sure Toyota is pissing their pants right now. the Z is going to walk all over the Supra.

though to this day i will say it is funny how the 180sx outsold the 370z like crazy thru both of their 10 years of availability... but here we are in 2021 and no recognition of the s-chassis by nissan ever again. meh... at least Nissan is making something turbo and stick for the US market again that isnt outrageously over priced, or FWD.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand due to European regulations... count on this being the LAST petrol powered Z ever made as its not allowed to be sold in Europe in current times due to their bullshit obsession with 100% electric car sales by 2030 and draconian emission regulations..

[Future240]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

i will say it looks light years better than the bloated and rather unpleasant to look at 370z. and im pretty sure Toyota is pissing their pants right now. the Z is going to walk all over the Supra.

I doubt Toyota gives two fucks about the Z. The Camry by itself sold roughly 32.7% of Nissan's TOTAL US sales last year. Toyota can afford for the Supra to be a car no one buys.

I hope I am wrong but I feel like this is a car a lot of people are hyped at the idea of but few will actually go plop down the cash for it.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Future240

I doubt Toyota gives two fucks about the Z. The Camry by itself sold roughly 32.7% of Nissan's TOTAL US sales last year. Toyota can afford for the Supra to be a car no one buys.

I hope I am wrong but I feel like this is a car a lot of people are hyped at the idea of but few will actually go plop down the cash for it.

Toyotas repsone to the Zupra being a failure will just be "See, people want hybrids and EVs, not sports cars".

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Toyotas repsone to the Zupra being a failure will just be "See, people want hybrids and EVs, not sports cars".

*cues Metallica 'Sad But True'*

[Dutchmalmiss]

Yeah these are the swan song models of these cars. The market's demand never drove Toyota to release a stick-shift model. The market's demand didn't give Nissan a sense of urgency to refresh the Z any sooner. Back to Toyota though, I'm a little confused as to why they wouldn't put out out a manual version of the Zupra, yet they developed a crazy version of their Yaris, and soon the Corolla.

In other news, the Integra's coming back 2022.

[nick_d_240sx]

Originally Posted by Future240

I hope I am wrong but I feel like this is a car a lot of people are hyped at the idea of but few will actually go plop down the cash for it.

Yep. I want one, but I'm already in debt.

What what the MSRP markup will be?

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by nick_d_240sx

Yep. I want one, but I'm already in debt.

with where everything is heading world wise right now... you may want to work your way out of that debt before heading another $40k into it for a new Z.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

In other news, the Integra's coming back 2022.

The civic type R is already nuts. Curious to see what a new Tegra could do to up the game.

Originally Posted by nick_d_240sx

Yep. I want one, but I'm already in debt.

What what the MSRP markup will be?

Raiti rides suggested the msrp will be around 38K for base so markup most def will have these in the 40's maybe even 50's for the optioned out model.

Which sounds like a lot but its direct Japanese auto competitor is the Zupra which is already in the 50's with less power and no manual.

What I want to see is how this competes with the pony cars. It is down on power vs both the GT and SS and will be more expensive base model vs base model.

Gt specs

MSRP: From $36,285
Horsepower: 460 hp
Curb weight: 3,705 lbs
Torque: 420 lb-ft

Camaro 1ss

MSRP: $37,500
MPG: 16 city / 24 highway
Horsepower: 455 hp @ 6,000 rpm
Engine: 6.2 L V8
Curb weight: 3,685 lbs

Now the 370z
Curb weight: 3,333 to 3,486 lbs

So the new Z might be slightly lighter than the pony cars. Im guessing in the 3500 range.

Not to mention the pony cars have back seats that are somewhat useable.

[Future240]

In other news Cali and Washington have actually banned some cars from being sold.

https://www.carsdirect.com/automotiv...nia-washington

[ronmcdon]

hard to say, mk5 supra 3.0 punches above it's weight for 380hp @ 3400 lbs. 12.3 @ 115 and 4.0 or 3.7 w/ 0-60 is very good. Have seen more at HPDE events and they seem capable.

that's very close to the gt350 which was similarly 12.3ish @ 117. In a straight line it would be quicker than the (IMO overpriced) Mach 1.

If you can get the camaro ZL1 at discount (saw them for 55k in '19) that might be the best option for bang for the buck.

I think the new Z will be good but my guess is it may not have the traction like the mk5 supra to make use of the power. Will look forward to reviews and hope I'm wrong. I get many don't care for the supra for the usual reasons but when looking at stats alone it's a solid choice, although it is definitely not for me.

[Future240]

[drift freaq]

I will say I am probably going to buy a Blue Z . My M3 will pay for half the price of the car outright and possibly more the way its going with its value.

[Future240]

What color yall thinking?

Im partial to white myself.

[LEG1T]

i'm more excited for this, than I really am for the Z and I love Nissan..

IDK, I just feel like this will be much more of simple cheap and easy fun than the the bulky looking Z. Still early but all in on this and Emira.

[OaxKouki]

I'm personally holding out for the new Bronco, I am thinking probably two years before they have the kinks worked out and I can get one with a hard top.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by LEG1T

i'm more excited for this, than I really am for the Z and I love Nissan..



IDK, I just feel like this will be much more of simple cheap and easy fun than the the bulky looking Z. Still early but all in on this and Emira.

The new GR86 looks great inside and out and the bump in power over the current generation is significant. I also prefer the cheaper, simpler 2+2 formula over the Z...but did you see the fuel consumption estimates?

Fuel economy: 19 mpg city, 26 highway, 21 combined (MT) | 20 mpg city, 30 highway, 24 combined (AT) (manufacturer est.)

21 combined MPG for the manual is terrible for the HP lol. The Zupra gets better mileage lol. Even I my old worn out, low-tech KA turbo gets 24-25 mpg. Another reason they should have just turbod the freakin thing. 2.0l turbos get great MPG's while still being able to put down 300hp..

[LEG1T]

Originally Posted by spooled240

The new GR86 looks great inside and out and the bump in power over the current generation is significant. I also prefer the cheaper, simpler 2+2 formula over the Z...but did you see the fuel consumption estimates?

Fuel economy: 19 mpg city, 26 highway, 21 combined (MT) | 20 mpg city, 30 highway, 24 combined (AT) (manufacturer est.)

21 combined MPG for the manual is terrible for the HP lol. The Zupra gets better mileage lol. Even I my old work out low tech KA turbo gets 24-25 mpg. Another reason they should have just turbod the freakin thing. 2.0l turbos get great MPG's while still being able to put down 300hp..

I actually didn't and you are absolutely right, considering what most cars are running these days those are bad numbers. I was fully expecting 24mpg city atleast. Damn well that sucks. Not enough to not buy the car BUT certainly enough to rethink those meaningless cruises.

[ronmcdon]

if fuel economy is important and its not your only car, the ND gets somewhere around 29 combined. 34 hwy and 26 city, iirc. performance wise shouldnt be far off from the 86.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by spooled240

The new GR86 looks great inside and out and the bump in power over the current generation is significant. I also prefer the cheaper, simpler 2+2 formula over the Z...but did you see the fuel consumption estimates?

Fuel economy: 19 mpg city, 26 highway, 21 combined (MT) | 20 mpg city, 30 highway, 24 combined (AT) (manufacturer est.)

21 combined MPG for the manual is terrible for the HP lol. The Zupra gets better mileage lol. Even I my old worn out, low-tech KA turbo gets 24-25 mpg. Another reason they should have just turbod the freakin thing. 2.0l turbos get great MPG's while still being able to put down 300hp..

Like the Civic Type R with its 306 ponies.

2021 Honda Civic Type R/MPG
22 city / 28 highway / 25 Combined