General politics discussion. Keep it civil.

[deolio]

Originally Posted by brndck

what about my fucking PONIES???
https://media.giphy.com/media/RJJzGA...Pbv/source.mov

Ponies are a more likely outcome than any real change

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

https://apnews.com/article/biden-vir...&utm_medium=AP

Am... Am I riddin with Biden? Obvious policy seems downright heroic after 4 years of that.

Oh look, a president actually laying out a plan to deal with the pandemic. It's almost as if he's actually qualified for the job. It's a god damn miracle!

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

If you actively align yourself with ethno-nationalist christian dominionists I truly do not care what you actually believe. If you want an olive branch and dialog you must understand that your views and beliefs are a danger to me and people like me, as has been on full display over the last 5-6 years of right wing radicalization.

Frankly I don't care if I'm right or not. As long as I'm allowed to post here you're not going to act like American Conservatism has any legitimacy in 2021. After 4 years of Trump and McConnell you should be reconsidering your entire worldview.

mr nismo is probably one of the few SANE people in this thread. but douchie above, is a straight LOOOOON

[kingkilburn]

Be the change, mr nismo. Put down old talking points/paradigms and be constructive. I'm moving on from the topic like I want America to move on from Republicanism.


On Pompeo
I never understand Congress going along with executive branch policy swinging back and forth with changing presidents. They, as a collective body, should be setting policy that guides us at home and our diplomats abroad. Pompeo should have to provide evidence to various Congressional committees to designate foreign states as criminal or terrorist. Congress needs to take back its role from the presidency regardless of political party.

[kingkilburn]

https://apnews.com/article/biden-vir...&utm_medium=AP

Am... Am I riddin with Biden? Obvious policy seems downright heroic after 4 years of that.

[kingkilburn]

I didn't call you racist. I demonstrated that you've thrown yourself in with devout racists. Does that hurt your feelings? Good. Now consider whose policy and rhetoric you say you agree with and maybe uh don't anymore.

The rest of you see this as a double standard because I'm tired of talking about it. You want to see good conservatives where I see people I wish weren't conservative. Every single time I have a face to face conversation with a republican it turns out they aren't nearly as conservative as they think. Once you talk then off the rhetoric and start talking historical fact and what policies actually mean suddenly goddam everyone is a fucking progressive that wants to be left alone. But is it my job to hold everyone's hand to get there? I'm fucking tired.

[mr.nismo.]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I didn't call you racist. I demonstrated that you've thrown yourself in with devout racists. Does that hurt your feelings? Good. Now consider whose policy and rhetoric you say you agree with and maybe uh don't anymore.

The rest of you see this as a double standard because I'm tired of talking about it. You want to see good conservatives where I see people I wish weren't conservative. Every single time I have a face to face conversation with a republican it turns out they aren't nearly as conservative as they think. Once you talk then off the rhetoric and start talking historical fact and what policies actually mean suddenly goddam everyone is a fucking progressive that wants to be left alone. But is it my job to hold everyone's hand to get there? I'm fucking tired.

This was literally your reply to me disagreeing about packing the supreme court and congress.

So yes, you actually did indirectly call me a racist, and a couple posts later grouped me in with zombie and rebuild who were literally provoking you. Hurt my feelings? You can't say that shit and expect them to not tell you something. It's not all or nothing. Or if you do believe that, I'm guessing you support the rioters and looters from the BLM protestst. You know, ones who burned people's shit to the ground (a lot of minority owned to add). The "mostly peaceful" onces as a reporter is standing in front of a large structure fire. Since that's how you view everything? Mind me, I don't assume you're okay with that, as everyone should be treated as an individual. But hey if that's how you see yourself, so be it.


Again to add, I'm not a conservative...



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[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

1.) I didn't call you racist. I demonstrated that you've thrown yourself in with devout racists. Does that hurt your feelings? Good. Now consider whose policy and rhetoric you say you agree with and maybe uh don't anymore.

The rest of you see this as a double standard because I'm tired of talking about it. 2.) You want to see good conservatives where I see people I wish weren't conservative. Every single time I have a face to face conversation with a republican it turns out they aren't nearly as conservative as they think. Once you talk then off the rhetoric and start talking historical fact and what policies actually mean suddenly goddam everyone is a fucking progressive that wants to be left alone. 3.)But is it my job to hold everyone's hand to get there? I'm fucking tired.

1.) So if racists support big government and someone on this forum does as well, they are racist by association? Where are the degrees to this? He has stated multiple times that there are PARTS he agrees with and parts he disagrees with.

2.) This is okay for you but not for the people you are so against? Because you perceive you are on the side of 'righteousness'? How about this: you just want to see villains to justify you stooping to their level. Case-in-point with mr.nismo. You attack him, he starts to defend himself, and because he doesn't take it he's the enemy. It's like you're hunting for a reason to treat him like two previously banned forum members because you need a punching bag. C'mon, man...

3.) No, it isn't, and yes it's tiring...but isn't fighting the good fight (in this case trying to reach others with words) worth the utopia we all want one day? I also don't believe you do this because you seem just as intolerant as the people you despise so much.

Dude you are espousing looking in the mirror and it's like you've never seen one.

I'm sorry man but you're like a movie protagonist that's hunting a villain down because he does bad things. Once you get him right where you want him, you proceed to do the things you abhor so much to him because it's okay for you and not for him...but you're the protagonist, right? The crowd still cheers even when you perpetrate the very same shit you don't like upon the villain in your story?

If you are a paragon that wrongdoes a wrongdoer for wrongdoing, you are now a wrongdoer. An eye for an eye makes the world blind. I ran out of metaphors.

[kingkilburn]

Oh fuck off already. Go start a dogpile on Kilburn thread or something. You can make up whatever words and motivation makes you feel warm and fuzzy about yourselves.

I'll be in here talking about policy and current events.

[dizzariot]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Oh fuck off already. Go start a dogpile on Kilburn thread or something. You can make up whatever words and motivation makes you feel warm and fuzzy about yourselves.

I'll be in here talking about policy and current events.

Yeah, right. Like you need ANOTHER thread to grandstand on.

We can close this thread and turn it into the 'Kingkilburn Enlightens Zilvia: Dissenters Will Be Summarily Executed' because this dude is dead set on embodying the mannerisms of the people he's so against. Oh the irony.

OT:

For anyone that cares, the Japan bases are getting the vaccines now. They've started to roll them out but they're optional. We'll still be on lockdown and have to wear masks which is expected at this point, but meh.

Genuinely asking: if the FDA can approve a vaccination for emergency use but not fully 'FDA Approve' it...what gives? If it's gonna be approved, why not just approve it. Is this in the realm of politics? I don't know, but someone mentioned the COVID plan for the US. Thought I'd let you know what we're getting over here.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

Genuinely asking: if the FDA can approve a vaccination for emergency use but not fully 'FDA Approve' it...what gives? If it's gonna be approved, why not just approve it. Is this in the realm of politics? I don't know, but someone mentioned the COVID plan for the US. Thought I'd let you know what we're getting over here.

India's put special approval on an Indian-developed vaccine as well.

Truth is, we are being used as guinea pigs for a relatively experimental drug- but the disease is worse than the cure. Also, the funding, creation, distribution, and application of the vaccine creates and keeps jobs pretty much everywhere.

Also, methinks end runs like this show the bureaucracy of the FDA a little too blatantly if one thinks about it.

[FaLKoN240]

No one is dog-piling on you, you're making yourself the target of the conversation by not listening to anything they're saying.

What you're doing is very similar to them moving the flag posts and what about-ism we were fighting against the other guys about for so long.

[kingkilburn]

What the fuck are you even talking about? This is stupid. You guys are spending days thinking about me while Biden releases an actual covid19 plan. Might as well lock this one too if no one intends to talk about anything but me.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I got a text last night from an engine supplier of mine.

It appears to be QAnon bullshit, and its gist is that Trump allowed the Democrats to elect themselves to positions of power in USA INC, but Trump already signed the papers to make us the United States Republic. There will be an election of the president within 180 days of Jan 8 and on Jan 20th, all Democratic offices are defunct and the new US Republic will be debt free.

That is batshit, my dudes. People actually believe this, and not an insignificant amount of people.

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

That is batshit, my dudes. People actually believe this, and not an insignificant amount of people.

It's really going to be a significant challenge for this country in the years ahead when you have such a large populace in denialism.

IMO, the Biden administration should not give any of these conspiracies any oxygen and just follow through with their agenda as much as possible.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

IMO, the Biden administration should not give any of these conspiracies any oxygen and just follow through with their agenda as much as possible.

True as this may so be, the people who peddle this shit are adept at sucking all the air out of a room.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Further research shows that QAnon followers also believe that there will be mass executions.

If there are tens of thousands of Americans who are okay with martial law and mass executions, what the holy fuck does that say about us as a society?

[Future240]

A right wing conspiracist lives with me.

I've heard it all.

Trump is going to declare marshall law, the vaccine is just a ploy to turn black kids gay. The dr's are killing patients claiming covid to get money. Masks make your body weaker since you breath in carbon dioxide instead of oxygen.

[Antihero983]

Originally Posted by Future240

A right wing conspiracist lives with me.

I've heard it all.

Trump is going to declare marshall law, the vaccine is just a ploy to turn black kids gay. The dr's are killing patients claiming covid to get money. Masks make your body weaker since you breath in carbon dioxide instead of oxygen.

I've also heard that Obama knew in 2014 that this was all gonna happen so the Dems would be able to win, and that wearing a mask gives you cancer. Nevermind all the tinfoil shit I hear from my redneck coworkers.

I just want the inauguration done with already so I don't have to hear about it anymore.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Antihero983

I just want the inauguration done with already so I don't have to hear about it anymore.

Oh contraire

It is going to get worst. Now they will have a full for year to say how Biden's actions are going to [insert radical nonsense].

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Antihero983

I just want the inauguration done with already so I don't have to hear about it anymore.

This is not going away until there are a Republican-majority House and Senate with a Republican in the WH. The myth that the election was stolen won't stop and will likely be amplified with every "socialist" policy enacted under Biden's term.

Seriously. This is our lives now, with consistent and constant conspiracy theories being bandied about like we're truly idiotic.

Re: gay frogs (not really gay but sex-changed and hermaphroditic and I understand the context of the picture had nothing to do with starting a conversation on atrazine) and atrazine- that's what happens when industrialized farming is subsidized and championed. Yield per acre goes down, yield per year goes down, petroleum products used per acre go up, pesticide usage goes up without long-term studies on its environmental effects. Atrazine's been banned in the EU since 2004 but remains present in the soil more than 15 years after its last use.

[brndck]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Re: gay frogs (not really gay but sex-changed and hermaphroditic and I understand the context of the picture had nothing to do with starting a conversation on atrazine) and atrazine- that's what happens when industrialized farming is subsidized and championed. Yield per acre goes down, yield per year goes down, petroleum products used per acre go up, pesticide usage goes up without long-term studies on its environmental effects. Atrazine's been banned in the EU since 2004 but remains present in the soil more than 15 years after its last use.

similar to how glysophate is present in fucking EVERYTHING now. Even bottled wine shows high levels of it. We're getting off topic, back to Uncle Biden.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by Future240

It is going to get worst. Now they will have a full for year to say how Biden's actions are going to [insert radical nonsense].

Originally Posted by Future240

This is a special kind of stupid.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep...-against-biden

^ Posted back in January, ironic that the irony is actually starting to ring true. 8/31 is right around the corner and this dimwit had & continues to have no plan.

impeachment is too complex, he's going to step down and hand over the wheel to the next dimwit in line.

so... who PROUDLY wants to saw their "ridin with biden" ?

[brndck]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/f6...082ce5691c.jpg

[Antihero983]

Yeah I know y'all are right, but maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan I was hopeful for a split second. haha

[Phlip]

I am just waiting for Obama's post-Katrina FEMA coffins and Obamacare death panels to come back.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Phlip

I am just waiting for Obama's post-Katrina FEMA coffins and Obamacare death panels to come back.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...endations.html

[kingkilburn]

What happens when the President(and HHS Secretary) lies to state governments about the existence of a strategic vaccine stockpile and tells people to administer first doses knowing there aren't enough units for follow up doses?

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

What happens when the President(and HHS Secretary) lies to state governments about the existence of a strategic vaccine stockpile and tells people to administer first doses knowing there aren't enough units for follow up doses?

Criminal charges when both are outside of the DOJ unofficial-rule-rule, as soon as Wednesday afternoon?

[SimpleS14]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

What happens when the President(and HHS Secretary) lies to state governments about the existence of a strategic vaccine stockpile and tells people to administer first doses knowing there aren't enough units for follow up doses?

Nothing. I'm not supporting what occurred, but this could be viewed as miscommunication and/or administrative errors.

Originally Posted by Future240

Like Trump did with Obama, I wonder if parts of Biden's legacy will be dismantling whatever Trump did just because it is Trump.

IMO, I don't think the dismantling would be purely out of spite. Of course Biden was not a fan of some of the actions done by the Trump's administration, but he doesn't have a track record of showing absolute hate/disgust towards him and everything he does.

[kingkilburn]

You saying he's sane after what you had to say in the last thread is exactly the point I was making. Thanks.