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infinitexsound · 06-09-2006, 03:42 PM

yeah but the gear ratios from a truck wouldnt be ideal in a car, i assume it would be very tall..... also i believe the sentra se-r also has the qr25de setup....

NISSAN needs to bring and reproduce the S15 and send them to the states,
with the sr20det or a new engine....that is turbo.... they would make millions... the bastards just dont know it..

blackflag_Rms13 · 06-09-2006, 04:04 PM

Excuse the lack of knowledge but what the fuck is a QR20DD?

Edit: Oh, it's just direct-injection...

fatalfury64 · 06-09-2006, 04:24 PM

NISSAN needs to bring and reproduce the S15 and send them to the states,
with the sr20det or a new engine....that is turbo.... they would make millions... the bastards just dont know it..[/QUOTE]

That's what I'm saying. They just don't know how much money they'll make if they were to legalized and reproduce the s15.

timtiminy · 06-09-2006, 07:46 PM

im sure if someone had adequate funds and the ability to the s15 could be reproduced as a replica and be legalized for the US...wonder if anyone would take the risk?

wootwoot · 06-10-2006, 11:09 AM

240 owners are for the most part cheap fucks. Thats why they drive 240's

ranisron · 06-10-2006, 02:54 PM

AMEN to that...

There's nothing wrong rocking in a KA. Imagine after a fresh rebuild, NA KA is just as reliable as any hondas out there, plus, the endless torque curve.

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Originally Posted by wootwoot

240 owners are for the most part cheap fucks. Thats why they drive 240's

REDSH!FT · 06-10-2006, 05:43 PM

To everyone who said that Nissan should produce the S15 and sell it here, I ask you this.

Would you shell out $24-$28k for your S15 when it's released? (this is based on the assumption that it's done in Cheap-O form and not that great...probably NA motor. $30+ if it's a turbo platform.

Answer honestly, then re-think how many millions you expect Nissan to make when almost everyone else out there has the same answer as you.

BigVinnie · 06-11-2006, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by timtiminy

It also has twin, counterrotating balance shafts so it should be a nice smooth engine. The drive-by-wire throttle body should make for easy swap (no throttle linkage to
worry about).

Balanced shafts decrease HP I don't like it. It takes rotational power of the engine to use the shaft as a counter balance. Waste of energy and effeciency IMO. All the 2.4litre dodge guys take them out of there boosted engines, and for a good reason.
I would rather deal with a vibrating engine that makes 10-20 more HP without the damn shafts.
Yeah no throttle linkage, but think of how much it will now be a son of a bitch running a completly new harness and ecu that runs on that type of system.
I would rather blow my brains out...

CaoBoY · 06-11-2006, 02:46 AM

probably the same amount of people that would buy a 350z. most of the 240 crowd is getting older. the people look for something new....why not an s15? those olderguys would want something turbo...and cheapish. so 25-30k for a new car....people would buy it. people pay 30-40k for an evo!

blu808 · 06-11-2006, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wootwoot

I have actually still yet to hear of an sr putting a rod through the block but have seen several KA's that have done so in person. Not that it doesnt happen, but there isnt exactly a shortage of sr's in this area either.

Well i have done that to 6 motors in a 6 month span.

Timtiminy: Wrong. It can be legal as long as the motor is the same year or newer than the chassis. It doesnt matter who makes what.

Holy Thread Jacking/Going off topic batman.

wootwoot · 06-11-2006, 11:38 AM

Blu, now I cant say that anymore = )
Bad track record! Were any of these built motors or stock?
I'm definitely going to agree with Vinnie and say both of those things are BAD. The ka's bad point isnt that it was an iron block anyway. The ka's bad point is that shitty ass joke of a crank shaft it has

Grassroots_Msport · 06-11-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitexsound

yeah but the gear ratios from a truck wouldnt be ideal in a car, i assume it would be very tall..... also i believe the sentra se-r also has the qr25de setup....

NISSAN needs to bring and reproduce the S15 and send them to the states,
with the sr20det or a new engine....that is turbo.... they would make millions... the bastards just dont know it..

The gear ratio in the RWD frontier (QR25DE model) is made for gas mileage as is a car, not for towing, the gears in the truck are a bit longer than those in my old SpecV (2002) ....

I had planned on doing this later on (a few years) but i plan on using AEM for engine management so I wont be getting into the technical jargon of or rigamor of wirring it up to run on a stock ecu....

I do plan on using a specV engine due to its better cams and a few other better features.....

Id rather see a VQ35DE in a S-chassis......

ranger240 · 07-31-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuy

LS1 = lighter than a KA and COULD be made street legal. Not everyone's favorite swap, just another option if you are really bent on saving some weight in the engine department.

bingo

dont like talking about it though, if it gets as popular as sr20 swaps it'll make my car less unique/cool when i finally get the $ and time to do that

krustindumm · 07-31-2006, 08:41 PM

if you want an idea of what a aftermarket aluminum block will cost check out Dart's honda B-series block. Also keep in mind that the Dart block requires extensive work after purchace for it to be equal to Honda OEM standards.

krustindumm · 07-31-2006, 08:43 PM

I looked it up anyway...
http://www.flatlanderracing.com/dartblocks_honda.html, $2k

chmercer · 08-01-2006, 01:13 AM

theres a 2j that tossed a rod through both sides of the block at boost logic, can see all the way through. block material means bullshit, you could blow up a 2k hp drag block making 50hp with a fucked up enough tune

Kaji · 09-04-2006, 09:38 PM

The QR25 is just the new KA, with a bunch of flaws from a quick glance on wikipedia. It'd be a lot of money for that swap to only get a slightly improved engine performance and less weight. Better off with ls1, ls2, ls7 even with the amount of money we're talking about.

If you really wanna save weight it'd be more effective to invest in carbon body panels or lexan windows. OR go 240-TRUCK, delete your upper rear end.

cdlong · 09-04-2006, 11:16 PM

i know we're well past this point but the '06 KA24s still use an iron block. there are 3 sitting outside my office right now.

people that say you can just add power to make up for weight forget that a car also has to stop and turn. a broken rod will fuck up a block no matter what it's made of. don't aluminum blocks usually have iron sleves anyway?

i can see the VQ getting very popular, it could easily be made legal, is about the same weight if not lighter and has very good power.

Bigballin · 09-04-2006, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

240 owners are for the most part cheap fucks. Thats why they drive 240's

alllllllready

LB.Motoring · 09-04-2006, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdlong

i know we're well past this point but the '06 KA24s still use an iron block. there are 3 sitting outside my office right now.

people that say you can just add power to make up for weight forget that a car also has to stop and turn. a broken rod will fuck up a block no matter what it's made of. don't aluminum blocks usually have iron sleves anyway?

i can see the VQ getting very popular, it could easily be made legal, is about the same weight if not lighter and has very good power.

yep the VQ has been a little project around here... vq35s14

WilloW · 09-05-2006, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

240 owners are for the most part cheap fucks. Thats why they drive 240's

The cheapest bunch of fuckers that I've ever sold shit to are 240 owners, with the exception of a few.

LB.Motoring · 09-05-2006, 12:51 AM

^ welcome to the Land of the Low Ballers...

i hate those kids...

drift freaq · 09-05-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LB.Motoring

yep the VQ has been a little project around here... vq35s14

VQ, biggest problem is getting it EPA/Carb legal. Putting it in is not the problem. Trying to wire it to be smog legal is a major pita. Like BigVinnie said setting up throttle by wire in our chassis's, would be worse than shooting oneself in the head.
Only reason I see for putting a VQ in would be to make it a smog legal swap and that would cost a lot of money because of stuff like mentioned above.
By the time you got done spending the money to do it, you could just go buy a used 350z and call it a day.

cdlong · 09-05-2006, 11:51 PM

that's why i think CA laws are beyond rediculous, why would it matter whether the throttle is cable or electronic? what difference could it possibly make? i see no reason to do anything more than a tail pipe sinffer. if an SR puts out clean enough air, you're fine, who cares.

06-09-2006, 03:42 PM	#31
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 41 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah but the gear ratios from a truck wouldnt be ideal in a car, i assume it would be very tall..... also i believe the sentra se-r also has the qr25de setup.... NISSAN needs to bring and reproduce the S15 and send them to the states, with the sr20det or a new engine....that is turbo.... they would make millions... the bastards just dont know it.. __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

06-10-2006, 11:09 AM	#35
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 38 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	240 owners are for the most part cheap fucks. Thats why they drive 240's __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

06-11-2006, 02:46 AM	#39
CaoBoY Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Central Valley Posts: 916 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	probably the same amount of people that would buy a 350z. most of the 240 crowd is getting older. the people look for something new....why not an s15? those olderguys would want something turbo...and cheapish. so 25-30k for a new car....people would buy it. people pay 30-40k for an evo! __________________ pulling outta the game: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...wpost&t=119867 parting out, just let me know.

06-11-2006, 11:38 AM	#41
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 38 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Blu, now I cant say that anymore = ) Bad track record! Were any of these built motors or stock? I'm definitely going to agree with Vinnie and say both of those things are BAD. The ka's bad point isnt that it was an iron block anyway. The ka's bad point is that shitty ass joke of a crank shaft it has __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

07-31-2006, 08:41 PM	#44
krustindumm Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Iowa Age: 39 Posts: 473 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if you want an idea of what a aftermarket aluminum block will cost check out Dart's honda B-series block. Also keep in mind that the Dart block requires extensive work after purchace for it to be equal to Honda OEM standards. __________________ ASE Master Technician

06-09-2006, 04:04 PM	#32
blackflag_Rms13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,133 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Excuse the lack of knowledge but what the fuck is a QR20DD? Edit: Oh, it's just direct-injection...

06-09-2006, 04:24 PM	#33
fatalfury64 Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: california Posts: 111 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	NISSAN needs to bring and reproduce the S15 and send them to the states, with the sr20det or a new engine....that is turbo.... they would make millions... the bastards just dont know it..[/QUOTE] That's what I'm saying. They just don't know how much money they'll make if they were to legalized and reproduce the s15.

06-09-2006, 07:46 PM	#34
timtiminy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Socal Posts: 624 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	im sure if someone had adequate funds and the ability to the s15 could be reproduced as a replica and be legalized for the US...wonder if anyone would take the risk?

06-10-2006, 05:43 PM	#37
REDSH!FT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Fairfax County VA Posts: 376 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	To everyone who said that Nissan should produce the S15 and sell it here, I ask you this. Would you shell out $24-$28k for your S15 when it's released? (this is based on the assumption that it's done in Cheap-O form and not that great...probably NA motor. $30+ if it's a turbo platform. Answer honestly, then re-think how many millions you expect Nissan to make when almost everyone else out there has the same answer as you.

07-31-2006, 08:43 PM	#45
krustindumm Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Iowa Age: 39 Posts: 473 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I looked it up anyway... http://www.flatlanderracing.com/dartblocks_honda.html, $2k __________________ ASE Master Technician

08-01-2006, 01:13 AM	#46
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 38 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	theres a 2j that tossed a rod through both sides of the block at boost logic, can see all the way through. block material means bullshit, you could blow up a 2k hp drag block making 50hp with a fucked up enough tune

09-04-2006, 09:38 PM	#47
Kaji Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Posts: 88 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The QR25 is just the new KA, with a bunch of flaws from a quick glance on wikipedia. It'd be a lot of money for that swap to only get a slightly improved engine performance and less weight. Better off with ls1, ls2, ls7 even with the amount of money we're talking about. If you really wanna save weight it'd be more effective to invest in carbon body panels or lexan windows. OR go 240-TRUCK, delete your upper rear end.

09-04-2006, 11:16 PM	#48
cdlong Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Age: 43 Posts: 1,864 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: cdlong Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i know we're well past this point but the '06 KA24s still use an iron block. there are 3 sitting outside my office right now. people that say you can just add power to make up for weight forget that a car also has to stop and turn. a broken rod will fuck up a block no matter what it's made of. don't aluminum blocks usually have iron sleves anyway? i can see the VQ getting very popular, it could easily be made legal, is about the same weight if not lighter and has very good power.

09-05-2006, 12:51 AM	#52
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09-05-2006, 11:51 PM	#54
cdlong Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Age: 43 Posts: 1,864 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: cdlong Feedback Score: 0 reviews	that's why i think CA laws are beyond rediculous, why would it matter whether the throttle is cable or electronic? what difference could it possibly make? i see no reason to do anything more than a tail pipe sinffer. if an SR puts out clean enough air, you're fine, who cares.