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KiDyNomiTe · 05-31-2005, 02:39 PM

The Magic of 3 piece wheels.

Old lips

New Lips

Lips on wheels

Note: This is a friends car.

raging panda · 05-31-2005, 02:41 PM

hotness, where did you order the lips from?

kandyflip445 · 05-31-2005, 02:48 PM

That's cool. Do you use loctite on the fasteners?

tomenugen · 05-31-2005, 03:04 PM

what were the original sizes of the rim?
can you ask your friend how s/he went about doing this process...seems cool.

Gjohnson7 · 05-31-2005, 03:18 PM

Hey guys, if you read the bottom of the post. He says its a friends car. Not sure if he will have all your answers.

Looks good.

KiDyNomiTe · 05-31-2005, 03:24 PM

raging panda - http://www.kodiakracingwheels.com/

kandyflip445 - yes...

tomenugen - 17x7 17x8 +38

I know enough about what he did considering I was there for most of it.

The wheels are now 17x9 +8? 3"lip 225/45/17 ES100
17x10 +11? 3.5" lip 235/45/17 SONAR NCbCF

Version Select Full kit, Origin overfenders, S14 LCAs

raging panda · 05-31-2005, 03:27 PM

using the s14 lca did you have to use s13 balljoint or bushing, or is it bolt on as is?

KiDyNomiTe · 05-31-2005, 03:30 PM

Use a washer. S14 ball joints are slightly longer.

atom · 05-31-2005, 04:23 PM

Panasports, nice.

How much were the shells from Kodiak?

Sil Beer S13 · 05-31-2005, 04:23 PM

^ thats a tad unsafe.

I used S14 LCA and S13 ball joints.

Crab Spirits · 05-31-2005, 05:50 PM

How is it unsafe?

The S14 ball joint is identical, it's just 1/16" longer and doesn't have enough threads to allow the nut to tighten it onto the s13 knuckle. I simply threw on a 1/8" thick washer under the nut. Being a taper fit, that thing isn't going anywhere.

Lips=$600
Wheels=$600

$1200 hotness

cheez80 · 05-31-2005, 08:26 PM

hot. i like the fender pull.

hoochiscrazy · 05-31-2005, 10:32 PM

this is a great idea, how about a list of wheels that we could do this to?

KiDyNomiTe · 05-31-2005, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoochiscrazy

this is a great idea, how about a list of wheels that we could do this to?

lol that would be rediculously long and complicated.

You can do it with any real multipiece wheel. You must figure out if you can take it apart first, some wheels are welded together, some just have some sealnt on them.

Then comes lots of measuring.

Ritz S14 · 05-31-2005, 10:55 PM

Sweeet. Now all you need to do to swap tires.. is to take apart the wheel, and reassemble them with your new tires on.

SilviaDriver · 05-31-2005, 11:21 PM

now 4luggers cant bitch about no wheels for 4lug

boro240 · 05-31-2005, 11:56 PM

Yeah I emailed these guys last year about my wheels, and they said they couldnt help me because my wheels have a "soft type edge" or something. Sucks.

(edit) here is the actual reply from them:
Hello Nate,
We do make replacement parts for some manufacturers but currently we do not supply the parts like you need. Your wheels have the "soft" lip edge and we do not produce that. Sorry.

Daryle
Kodiak Motorsports Inc.

So I guess it isn't ALL multipiece wheels. For reference, my wheels are 15in Volk Mesh. And I have no idea what a "soft" lip edge is, btw.

tomenugen · 06-01-2005, 12:23 AM

does anyone else know what "soft" lip edge means? I'm very interested in getting a shell for my Rezax. They look like this if it helps:

wanganwonder · 06-01-2005, 12:24 AM

dang, i thought my 16x9/16x10 simmons were the coolest 4 luggers. my offset is lower i think though. not sure of it exactly.

KiDyNomiTe · 06-01-2005, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smog Tech

Sweeet. Now all you need to do to swap tires.. is to take apart the wheel, and reassemble them with your new tires on.

Why does everyone say that?

quote from the owner

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crab Spirits

Break loose 35 bolts (those bitches were on)
Disc is in there kinda tight so hammer/press/kick off
Clean bolts, center gasket ring, and inner, outer shells of sealant
Media blast disc and bolt heads
Paint disc and bolt heads
Coat lips/ center ring with LIGHT coat of sealant (silicone)
Get lips sorta on the disc with plastic mallet
Locktite 35 bolts
tighten 35 bolts evenly
Low torque 35 bolts evenly
final torque 35 bolts in a criss cross fashion

Not to take you seriously, but we're talking over 2.5 hours labor per wheel. I did take off the old tires that way though.

Soft edge lips? Not too sure what that means, did you ask for an identical copy just bigger? Should have asked what exactly that meant.

Pank · 06-01-2005, 12:35 AM

no, but they can bitch about wheels that arent 2 or 3 peice, which are common as shit.

atom · 06-01-2005, 02:52 AM

Soft lip is kind of the same thing as reverse drop center, meaning the outer lip is not stepped. You can get them replaced, you just have to look somewhere other than Kodiak since apparently they only make stepped lip halves.

Ian · 06-01-2005, 09:52 AM

i thought the soft lip is the one that's kinda wavy...the other style is w/ a sharp edge

so the lips on these wheels are "soft"

SRkouki · 06-01-2005, 12:00 PM

wow that coupe looks really good! i like the sequence of pics too

tomenugen · 06-01-2005, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom

You can get them replaced, you just have to look somewhere other than Kodiak since apparently they only make stepped lip halves.

i tried looking up aftermarket shells, replacement shells, replacement lip, rims, etc, but no luck. any other companies/sites?

TheSnail · 06-01-2005, 01:06 PM

Last night I had a dream about getting three peice wheels, and in the dream I was recalling this thread. This is the first thread that has ever been in my dreams. I figure I'd share. That means if you have never typed anything, I would have never had the dream. I would have had a different dream, which could be a good or bad thing. The rim dream was OK, as far as fun in the dream. I rated it a 5/10. I figured I would share, since if you ask me, making people dream something is an accomplishment.

BaliLover · 06-01-2005, 10:06 PM

You wouldn't be able to make a wheel that doesn't fit (too high offset) fit this way would you? All this does is extend how far out the wheel is in relation to the fender edge correct? This wouldn't affect backspacing in the least right?

BTW, both the fronts and the rears now have +12.6 offset. The backspacing on the wheels never changed all he did was extend the outer lip 2" on each wheel. Since each wheel was modified identically, they would all still have identical offsets just like before.

KiDyNomiTe · 06-01-2005, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaliLover

You wouldn't be able to make a wheel that doesn't fit (too high offset) fit this way would you? All this does is extend how far out the wheel is in relation to the fender edge correct? This wouldn't affect backspacing in the least right?

BTW, both the fronts and the rears now have +12.6 offset. The backspacing on the wheels never changed all he did was extend the outer lip 2" on each wheel. Since each wheel was modified identically, they would all still have identical offsets just like before.

You can buy inner and outer lips meaning you can virtually make anything, BUT that ends up being really expensive.

The measurments can not be determined that simple, face design plays a big role in it. Yes backspacing wont change but offset isnt backspacing. Th wheels were not modified identically. IIRC the fronts got 3.5" Lips and the rears have 4" lips. The offsets I listed are guesses from measuring and closer to what they really are.

nissan_driver24 · 06-01-2005, 10:51 PM

i really like the way the wheels look.... nice coupe too

qt_240 · 06-02-2005, 02:37 AM

did you sell your old ssr's already ?

05-31-2005, 02:39 PM	#1
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 37 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	17x9 17x10 4 Lug!! The Magic of 3 piece wheels. Old lips New Lips Lips on wheels Note: This is a friends car. __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

05-31-2005, 02:41 PM	#2
raging panda Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 105 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hotness, where did you order the lips from? __________________ www.panicmodedrift.com

05-31-2005, 02:48 PM	#3
kandyflip445 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Arden, NC Age: 39 Posts: 4,460 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kandyflip445 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	That's cool. Do you use loctite on the fasteners? __________________ My 240 vBgarage

05-31-2005, 03:04 PM	#4
tomenugen Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Jose/Irvine Age: 41 Posts: 170 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what were the original sizes of the rim? can you ask your friend how s/he went about doing this process...seems cool. Last edited by tomenugen; 05-31-2005 at 03:23 PM..

05-31-2005, 03:18 PM	#5
Gjohnson7 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Broken Arrow, OK Age: 43 Posts: 980 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Hey guys, if you read the bottom of the post. He says its a friends car. Not sure if he will have all your answers. Looks good. __________________ LSX Kouki Project, swap completed in Dec 09

05-31-2005, 03:24 PM	#6
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 37 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	raging panda - http://www.kodiakracingwheels.com/ kandyflip445 - yes... tomenugen - 17x7 17x8 +38 I know enough about what he did considering I was there for most of it. The wheels are now 17x9 +8? 3"lip 225/45/17 ES100 17x10 +11? 3.5" lip 235/45/17 SONAR NCbCF Version Select Full kit, Origin overfenders, S14 LCAs __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

05-31-2005, 03:27 PM	#7
raging panda Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 105 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	using the s14 lca did you have to use s13 balljoint or bushing, or is it bolt on as is? __________________ www.panicmodedrift.com

05-31-2005, 03:30 PM	#8
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 37 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Use a washer. S14 ball joints are slightly longer. __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

05-31-2005, 04:23 PM	#9
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Panasports, nice. How much were the shells from Kodiak?

05-31-2005, 04:23 PM	#10
Sil Beer S13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chino!...NOT CHINO HILLS! Age: 41 Posts: 1,117 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ thats a tad unsafe. I used S14 LCA and S13 ball joints.

05-31-2005, 05:50 PM	#11
Crab Spirits Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Romeoville, IL Posts: 141 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How is it unsafe? The S14 ball joint is identical, it's just 1/16" longer and doesn't have enough threads to allow the nut to tighten it onto the s13 knuckle. I simply threw on a 1/8" thick washer under the nut. Being a taper fit, that thing isn't going anywhere. Lips=$600 Wheels=$600 $1200 hotness __________________ JDM fun

05-31-2005, 08:26 PM	#12
cheez80 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: cali Posts: 277 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hot. i like the fender pull.

05-31-2005, 10:32 PM	#13
hoochiscrazy Join Date: May 2005 Location: compton Posts: 25 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	this is a great idea, how about a list of wheels that we could do this to?

05-31-2005, 10:55 PM	#15
Ritz S14 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: C A L I F O R N I A Age: 42 Posts: 3,586 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sweeet. Now all you need to do to swap tires.. is to take apart the wheel, and reassemble them with your new tires on.

05-31-2005, 11:21 PM	#16
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 39 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	now 4luggers cant bitch about no wheels for 4lug

05-31-2005, 11:56 PM	#17
boro240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Tucson, AZ Age: 39 Posts: 1,324 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah I emailed these guys last year about my wheels, and they said they couldnt help me because my wheels have a "soft type edge" or something. Sucks. (edit) here is the actual reply from them: Hello Nate, We do make replacement parts for some manufacturers but currently we do not supply the parts like you need. Your wheels have the "soft" lip edge and we do not produce that. Sorry. Daryle Kodiak Motorsports Inc. So I guess it isn't ALL multipiece wheels. For reference, my wheels are 15in Volk Mesh. And I have no idea what a "soft" lip edge is, btw.

06-01-2005, 12:23 AM	#18
tomenugen Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Jose/Irvine Age: 41 Posts: 170 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	does anyone else know what "soft" lip edge means? I'm very interested in getting a shell for my Rezax. They look like this if it helps:

06-01-2005, 12:24 AM	#19
wanganwonder Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 630 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dang, i thought my 16x9/16x10 simmons were the coolest 4 luggers. my offset is lower i think though. not sure of it exactly.

06-01-2005, 12:35 AM	#21
Pank Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 41 Posts: 3,627 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	no, but they can bitch about wheels that arent 2 or 3 peice, which are common as shit. __________________ high performance driveway photography zenki s14---v8 fc rx7 my crappy flickr page (drift cars whoo)

06-01-2005, 02:52 AM	#22
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Soft lip is kind of the same thing as reverse drop center, meaning the outer lip is not stepped. You can get them replaced, you just have to look somewhere other than Kodiak since apparently they only make stepped lip halves.

06-01-2005, 12:00 PM	#24
SRkouki Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: so cal Age: 38 Posts: 199 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wow that coupe looks really good! i like the sequence of pics too __________________ "A wise man sees failure as progress" -Canibus

06-01-2005, 01:06 PM	#26
TheSnail Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Marietta Georgia Age: 41 Posts: 2,434 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Last night I had a dream about getting three peice wheels, and in the dream I was recalling this thread. This is the first thread that has ever been in my dreams. I figure I'd share. That means if you have never typed anything, I would have never had the dream. I would have had a different dream, which could be a good or bad thing. The rim dream was OK, as far as fun in the dream. I rated it a 5/10. I figured I would share, since if you ask me, making people dream something is an accomplishment.

06-01-2005, 10:06 PM	#27
BaliLover Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Central Florida Posts: 68 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You wouldn't be able to make a wheel that doesn't fit (too high offset) fit this way would you? All this does is extend how far out the wheel is in relation to the fender edge correct? This wouldn't affect backspacing in the least right? BTW, both the fronts and the rears now have +12.6 offset. The backspacing on the wheels never changed all he did was extend the outer lip 2" on each wheel. Since each wheel was modified identically, they would all still have identical offsets just like before.

06-01-2005, 10:51 PM	#29
nissan_driver24 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA Age: 39 Posts: 451 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	i really like the way the wheels look.... nice coupe too __________________ --240sx Driver Since 2002 to 2013--

06-02-2005, 02:37 AM	#30
qt_240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: CHI Posts: 2,122 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	did you sell your old ssr's already ?