General politics discussion. Keep it civil.

[deolio]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

at some point, you might want to consider putting down the crack pipe

It may be in your best interest that I stay on the pipe. Have you seen how much budget a recovered crackhead can swindle from your local city council with one impassioned and heart-felt speech? You'll have your hard-earned tax dollars going towards useless shit like youth outreach, vocational training, and substance abuse education quicker than you can say covfefe!

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Any and all issues affecting any state have a ripple effect on the rest of the country. Unless you're located outside the United States, they have an impact on you- whether it's direct or indirect is the question.

wait, what?!?! OUTSIDE the United States? You mean, there's life BEYOND the US? I thought this is like Super Mario Bros "negative world" that just loops forever if you try to go anywhere else.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

And as long as we keep having to keep everyone happy, we're just going to be stringing along failures and half-measures. As long as we listen to an idiotic group of bumblefuck conservatives who have zero deep knowledge on almost every key subject, our country will continue to piss away money that comes from middle-class pockets.

Lucky for you, the coast you live on is completely dominated by far-left liberal extremists who have a plethora of scholastic accolades and yet still have zero knowledge on almost every key subject.

ah those bumblefuck conservatives running CA/OR/WA... how dare they! haha fuckin idiot

[KA24DESOneThree]

Socialism? Nope.

Effective societal safety net? Nope.

Reform of classist programs and requirements? Nope.

Seized the means of production? Nope.

Ensure big agriculture doesn't hoard water? Nope.

Ensure big agriculture doesn't pollute watersheds? Nope.

Enact sweeping reform to revamp parks and public recreation? Nope.

NIMBYs? Yep.

Silver spooners? Yep.

Power brokers? Yep.

Beholden to business interests? Yep.

The left/right line is a semi-circle. Far-left and far-right are damn near touching- they both want government to have the power to run your life.

There's a far bigger difference between progressives and conservatives than there is between liberals and conservatives. Liberals aren't the boogeyman you're looking for.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Any and all issues affecting any state have a ripple effect on the rest of the country. Unless you're located outside the United States, they have an impact on you- whether it's direct or indirect is the question.

Word for Word quoting Galvin Newsoms latest CNN talking points. Gotta get that Federal bailout money.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

The homeless issue isn't progress, except in terms of time. The government has been hemming and hawing, saying it'd do something about it, and never doing anything of import because the solution is both difficult and politically unpopular.

The homeless situation is 100% the result of "progressive" policies. Period. All of your commie solutions only enrich the NonProfit DNC donors and make being homeless easier.

[brndck]

Originally Posted by Corbic

The homeless situation is 100% the result of "progressive" policies. Period. All of your commie solutions only enrich the NonProfit DNC donors and make being homeless easier.

you mean when REAGAN got rid of all the mental health facilities???
Very progressive.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by brndck

you mean when REAGAN got rid of all the mental health facilities???
Very progressive.

They didn't get rid of all the mental health facilities. Herschel Walker was insistent that he was able to pray away his mental health problems. With that logic, the church is the most prominent mental health institution. One could say that they've been ENHANCING mental health care, but people aren't taking it .

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by brndck

you mean when REAGAN got rid of all the mental health facilities???
Very progressive.

whoa ladies and gentlemen, we got a fuckin historian here! he's takin it back to that old white president! that evil actor dude who said something about a wall being taken down

in your confused clown show world, with the stroke of the pen he closed ALL the asylums. turned the US into gotham city

haha get the fuck outta here with that kennedy bullshit.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

There's a far bigger difference between progressives and conservatives than there is between liberals and conservatives. Liberals aren't the boogeyman you're looking for.

what does conservatism have to do with the state of CA? or OR, or WA? All of these states are pretty much fully controlled by the left. Conservative's arent the boogeyman you're looking for.

You're all about progress, baby. In the future, you can tell your offspring about how these wonderfully progressive states were so caring and compassionate, that they had tens of thousands of people sleeping on the streets. They had people living in their vehicles. They supported lawlessness, crime and anarchy. They supported unvetted immigration.

And you did it ALL in the name of socia... err PROGRESS! haha you are so caring, you big hearted son of a bitch! if only we could all aspire to be more like YOU ahahaha

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Word for Word quoting Galvin Newsoms latest CNN talking points. Gotta get that Federal bailout money.

The homeless situation is 100% the result of "progressive" policies. Period. All of your commie solutions only enrich the NonProfit DNC donors and make being homeless easier.

get the fuck outta here with your facts and shit, you fuckin white supremecist. i see your types creepin around late at night with nooses n shit. trying to attack people with frozen bleach! power to the subway sandwich!

and dont ever make fun of my boy gavin, he may be white but everyone loves him. it has nothing to do with him being somewhat-possibly-butabsolutelynot-relatedto pelosi. the people did NOT vote to recall him. that was a hit job. the people LOVE newsom. this is why he won re-election. he has done SO much for the state of CA.... i just cant think of one thing just yet...... but when i do, trust me... i'll post it. maybe brainy can remind us of something hes done. i'll wait.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Word for Word quoting Galvin Newsoms latest CNN talking points. Gotta get that Federal bailout money.

Not looking for bailout money. Making a point- what happens in one state has national consequences.

CA's inability to police its water may have grave results for the rest of the country- farms going bust are going to create problems in Moline and Grand Detour, home of John Deere and John Deere Financial. Water used for alfalfa because alfalfa farms have senior water rights is going to fallow winter vegetable fields, increasing food costs, which will make conversion of alfalfa farms to winter vegetable farms possible, which will increase the cost of dairy and beef.

This could actually revitalize the South and bring back jobs to areas that have fallen decades behind, a new wave of Southern agriculture pulling people out of poverty, but the investment would be hundreds of billions of dollars in infrastructure spending, both public and private, in some of the nation's reddest, and poorest, states. It would be an investment in pulling entire counties and potentially states out of poverty- I don't know if you've ever done the drive from Houston to the Panhandle, or from Birmingham to some of the smaller towns in Alabama's southeast, but the poverty in certain areas of the South is quite literally third-world.

Texas' creation of the ability to sue people who facilitate abortions led to Newsom's dumbass creation of the ability to sue people who have "assault rifles" and "ghost guns." Luckily, Judge Benitez was willing to make the right decision, which hopefully will make its way to Texas' backward courts.

The homeless situation is 100% the result of "progressive" policies. Period. All of your commie solutions only enrich the NonProfit DNC donors and make being homeless easier.

Homelessness is a combination of conservative and liberal policies. NIMBYism and backwards zoning and parking laws create a sphere within which inexpensive housing cannot happen. People who are priced out of housing (or can only afford housing in suburbs and then cannot afford the commute) tend to gravitate toward addiction, which both reduces their misery and furthers it.

Conservatives and liberals are both hand-wringers when it comes to drug use. Criminalizing addicts doesn't get them help, it just puts them in with other criminals they can use to expand their repertoire of skills for fraud and theft. It's akin to putting a hungry man in a room with chefs.

Addiction can be treated. Addiction is estimated by the National Institute on Drug Abuse to cost America's economy $600 billion per year (and others list the number between $442 billion and more than $740 billion)- again, an upfront investment will reduce costs and pay dividends. By the way, the largest single contributor to that number is legal tobacco, followed by legal alcohol. Private profits, public problem.

In the 2015 San Francisco Homeless Count, 55% of people experiencing chronic homelessness report they have emotional or psychiatric conditions.

PS, so glad to know that in the past several years, your arguments still cannot and will not progress past the "commie" stage. Communism is the political theory in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. That is not what I've espoused, literally ever, and you'll find that the system of laws in the US makes both impossible.

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

PS, so glad to know that in the past several years, your arguments still cannot and will not progress past the "commie" stage.

I've found that when someone lacks the ability to defend their position, they resort to ad hominem attacks.

I don't see why such a tactic would seem appealing, as if they took a second to put themselves into the reverse position they'd see how little effect it actually has.

If you're going to defend a position, it's best to use facts and not rhetoric or fallacious arguments.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

I've found that when someone lacks the ability to defend their position, they resort to ad hominem attacks.

I don't see why such a tactic would seem appealing, as if they took a second to put themselves into the reverse position they'd see how little effect it actually has.

If you're going to defend a position, it's best to use facts and not rhetoric or fallacious arguments.

well golly,
what about ALL OF ACADEMIA where you are refused the ability to speak, let alone debate? what about the doctors who were silenced during the pandemic? attacked by academia, the press, and completely politicized?

what about the extreme left anarchists who beat the fuck out of people on the streets? anti-fa? the fuck outta here with that bullshit. define fascism... again, i'll wait.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Not looking for bailout money.

That is exactly what Gavin is looking for however. Is it just coincidence that you are now parroting his latest talking points out of thin air?

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Making a point- what happens in one state has national consequences.

So BFE Indianan voters should get a say in what California is doing then? Not sure ya'll would like that. This also sounds like the latest leftist talking point - strengthening central authority and doing away with the outlying rural, county and suburban areas.

This is the complete opposite of what the rest of us want. We want to decouple from the concentrated urban centers and central governments.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

CA's inability to police its water may have grave results for the rest of the country- farms going bust are going to create problems in Moline and Grand Detour, home of John Deere and John Deere Financial. Water used for alfalfa because alfalfa farms have senior water rights is going to fallow winter vegetable fields, increasing food costs, which will make conversion of alfalfa farms to winter vegetable farms possible, which will increase the cost of dairy and beef.

Blah blah blah - Government Solutions creating Government Problems needing Government Solutions. The Circle of Progress.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Homelessness is a combination of conservative and liberal policies.

It's not.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

NIMBYism and backwards zoning and parking laws create a sphere within which inexpensive housing cannot happen.

There are no homeless people in Martha's Vineyard...
Lack of "affordable" housing does not create homelessness. If I am wealthy and have a nice home, I don't want to live next to dregs and projects so my shit can bet broken into every other week.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

People who are priced out of housing (or can only afford housing in suburbs and then cannot afford the commute) tend to gravitate toward addiction, which both reduces their misery and furthers it.

If they where ever destined to be productive members of society they would simply... move. Can't afford an apartment in Pala Alto? Maybe move to Lincoln Nebraska then.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Conservatives and liberals are both hand-wringers when it comes to drug use. Criminalizing addicts doesn't get them help, it just puts them in with other criminals they can use to expand their repertoire of skills for fraud and theft. It's akin to putting a hungry man in a room with chefs.

Childish.

Legalizing drugs, allowing people to have, distribute and use drugs also doesn't solve the drug problem. This goes back to my statements - you're progressive colleges only make being homeless easier.

If you secured the boards you could reduce the incoming shipments of Chinese fentanyl, the drug of choice ravaging this country. If you actually prospected people and had secure prisons - you'd ensure they'd be 6 months to a year sober and clean. Instead of wasting money on homeless enrichment projects, maybe create drug offender specific incarceration centers.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Addiction can be treated.

It can't.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Addiction is estimated by the National Institute on Drug Abuse to cost America's economy $600 billion per year (and others list the number between $442 billion and more than $740 billion)- again, an upfront investment will reduce costs and pay dividends. By the way, the largest single contributor to that number is legal tobacco, followed by legal alcohol. Private profits, public problem.

Why not throw in caffeine and corn syrup as well to bolster those numbers for a bullshit statistic point?

Funny, your side is also pushing to legalize Marijuana. Once that's 100%, I'm sure Fentanyl will be next.

*SIDE NOTE* I do find it ironic that for years I heard about how Cannabis was a magic substance with no addiction, no side effects, magical healing properties, the "high" was a fraction of what alcohol is.. etc. Now that there is wide spread adoption we're seeing all sorts of studies cropping up about neurological damage, lung damage, eating disorders, diabetes impact, depression, addiction etc.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

In the 2015 San Francisco Homeless Count, 55% of people experiencing chronic homelessness report they have emotional or psychiatric conditions.

And what?

Which argument is it? People are homeless because evil rich people won't approve projects being built in their neighborhoods or is it people are crazy and can't function in society?

Do you think drug use contributes to mental health issues?

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

PS, so glad to know that in the past several years, your arguments still cannot and will not progress past the "commie" stage. Communism is the political theory in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. That is not what I've espoused, literally ever, and you'll find that the system of laws in the US makes both impossible.

When I and other reference "Commie" or "Communist" we are not talking about the idealized fantasy of "oh no Government, we're all equal and take care of each other" hippie shit.

We're calling you a Mao-ist, Stalin-ist, Lenin-ist, etc. That you are totally cool with a brutal over reaching central authority who's promising to make life better for all and bring equity to everyone! What! Food is to expensive?! Damn evil greedy corporations! Put a price ceiling on it! Better yet!! Kill all the sparrows that keep eating our grain!!

That is exactly the bullshit stupidity you have in California. China is dumping our "Recycled" Plastic into the ocean? Better ban plastic straws to save the baby turtles. Fresh water crisis? Thank God we went to paper straws that use millions of gallons of water to process and make.

Homeless problem? Cool - Lets legalize drugs, not charge them for theft, public deification, loitering and vagrancy. Wait, more people are coming to California to be homeless?! Okay, better give them free needles, condoms, some free food, shelters, and $500 a month... wait!! MORE ARE COMING?!

Okay, Okay!! Better... make all of our cities "Sanctuary Cities" and let millions of South American illegal immigrants move there...

OMFG WHY DO WE HAVE SO MANY HOMELESS DREGS!?! WHAT THE FUCK AMERICA!! THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM TOO!!! RREEEEE

Literal 101 Soviet/Chinese Communist Leadership right there.

It's a giant lie and charade. Promise the unwashed masses whatever bullshit - pay off college loans! - to get elected and then never follow threw.

Build up BS identity politics to create voting blocks and drive division.

Create solutions that create and encourage problems, but find ways to profit off those solutions -

Case in Point, the homeless -

Lets End Homelessness! So we award Corbic's Non-Profit "Homeless Lives Matter" $1m to give free Condoms to Homeless!!

I take the $1M and claim a $500k paycheck. I then take another $100k and pay some ethnically diverse students to distribute the condoms that I bought from my best friend's girlfriend's store at a 30% retail mark up. (woman owned small business bruh)

The friend and I then roll some of our "income" into a Non-Profit political action group as a tax write off. This group then runs ads and donates $30k next election cycle to my DNC candidate to make sure I get another $1M to fight homelessness!!

Anyone that claims it's a waste of money is a racist asshole.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

I've found that when someone lacks the ability to defend their position, they resort to ad hominem attacks.

I don't see why such a tactic would seem appealing, as if they took a second to put themselves into the reverse position they'd see how little effect it actually has.

If you're going to defend a position, it's best to use facts and not rhetoric or fallacious arguments.

I can easily defend the position that California's "homeless solutions" are the direct reason for the "homeless problem" .

Kevin's getting his panties knotted up over the term "commie" as a distraction. Nobody on the "right" believes the left are true "communists" in the literal sense. It's a catch all for for authoritarian socialists - which is an accurate description of the left.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Kevin's getting his panties knotted up over the term "commie" as a distraction. Nobody on the "right" believes the left are true "communists" in the literal sense. It's a catch all for for authoritarian socialists - which is an accurate description of the left.

no, I do. these fucking idiots are straight up communists. like i said, when you send your fascist ANTI fascists out on the streets beating up innocent people, silencing voices, you're a communist. you can call them socialists, you can call them anarchists... you can call them whatever you want. they're fucking cowardly trash, dressed in black, faces covered with masks to protect from this virus. right, to protect from the virus. and dont forget, if you want to be able to work and provide for your family, we're going to one way or another eliminate your free choice and demand you take an experimental shot. to hell with doctors who advise, listen to the politicians and puppet president for your medical advise. and we're going to control the narrative on any social media because extreme left-wing zuckerfuck or dickhead anarchist dorsey believe in woke insurance

so yeah, in a nutshell... yuri bezmenov hit the nail on the head with his segment back in the 80s about communists.

ad hominem defense makes sense in a proper debate. this isnt a proper debate, this is a forum where people slap together cars haphazardly... its a miracle that these cars are still on the road and havent all been burned to a crisp. same goes for this political banter, its pissing in the wind. its horseshit. we get to complain back and fourth about absolutely nothing.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Homelessness is a combination of conservative and liberal policies. NIMBYism and backwards zoning and parking laws create a sphere within which inexpensive housing cannot happen. People who are priced out of housing (or can only afford housing in suburbs and then cannot afford the commute) tend to gravitate toward addiction, which both reduces their misery and furthers it.

wow, deep thoughts with jack handy! I HAD NO IDEA! Conservative AND liberal policies, zoning AND parking laws...... ya dont say!

This makes perfectly good sense. I mean, for a second I thought maybe the border would have something to do with it. I guess not. Then I was thinking maybe jobs would be a factor, but nah... probably not. Then maybe drugs? Nope... nope... drug use probably not it. HEY! What about promoting crime? Not prosecuting? NOPE! Wrong again. Uhm, what about guaranteed income, unemployment, and all these methods of getting paid son! Its the first of the month!!!! What? No? Damn.

ZONING. PARKING. CONSERVATIVE *AND* LIBERAL policies. Damnit brainey smurf, you just make too much fucking sense! Where do you get all your knowledge from? College educated, you say? Want the rest of us to pay back your loans, you say? Good idea! What about any debt I incurred starting and running my business? No? Cant get a buck for that, eh? Damn, you socialists can be so damn cruel. Supporting the college educated but not the working man. I shouldnt have learned to weld. Should've learned to code.

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I can easily defend the position that California's "homeless solutions" are the direct reason for the "homeless problem" .

Then do it.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Kevin's getting his panties knotted up over the term "commie" as a distraction.

Gotta wear chonies to get them knotted. Commando, baby! Also, my gripe is with unproductive bickering instead of productive discussion.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Nobody on the "right" believes the left are true "communists" in the literal sense. It's a catch all for for authoritarian socialists - which is an accurate description of the left.

If you truly believe that first sentence, you're not paying attention. I'd wager a healthy minority (if not a little more than half) of conservatives believe liberals/leftists are literal communists.

There is no accurate depiction of the left, in the same way there's no accurate depiction of the right. Not all on the right want a christo-fascist dictatorship, but plenty do. Not all on the left want state-owned/funded healthcare/railways/oil industry, but some do. Lumping all of those who don't agree with you into some boogeyman box while ignoring the complexities and nuance of political opinion and discourse. Again, that's not productive and only serves to establish/increase division.

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

no, I do. these fucking idiots are straight up communists.

ad hominem defense makes sense in a proper debate.

we get to complain back and fourth about absolutely nothing.

Please see my most recent post above this one.

If you want a rant thread go make one. This is a discussion thread. <3

Originally Posted by ixfxi

words

Another pointless rant that only serves to temporarily relieve frustration. No points addressed, no solutions offered, no contrapoints, etc.





On a completely side note - if you guys find yourselves getting pissed off when you watch/read the news, I'd like you to try an experiment.
Take the source and edit out all the biased/charged language, distill it down to facts only.
Then go to the opposite spectrum of the mediasphere and do the same with their presentation of the same story. See how the facts jive. See if the facts are what is pissing you off or if it's how it's presented.

Humans higher reasoning functions are effective short-circuited when we're made angry or fearful. In short, when someone makes you afraid or angry, you lose the ability to think rationally and apply reason & logic. Once you're in this state, you're easily influenced and can be made to believe whatever they want you to.

Consider shopping around for accurate-reporting unbiased media sources to help with this. Mediabiasfactcheck.com is a solid resource which backs up its analysis.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Corbic

That is exactly what Gavin is looking for however. Is it just coincidence that you are now parroting his latest talking points out of thin air?

I read a lot of things. Rarely CNN, usually LA Times or CalMatters or The Conversation or ProPublica. I'm not that up-to-date on the national news cycle, I tend to focus on water supply and food supply and energy and civil rights (including the rights of firearm owners).

So BFE Indianan voters should get a say in what California is doing then? Not sure ya'll would like that. This also sounds like the latest leftist talking point - strengthening central authority and doing away with the outlying rural, county and suburban areas.

Well, the current national voting system gives more legitimacy to the center of the country than the coasts so...

Did I once mention strengthening central authority in my post? Did I once mention doing away with the outlying areas, in which I myself live?

This is the complete opposite of what the rest of us want. We want to decouple from the concentrated urban centers and central governments.

But you don't, though. You want the central government to be strong on issues that you hold near and dear- the war on drugs, the war on poverty and homelessness, the war on crime, the war on illegal immigration, the war on reproductive rights. You can't speak out of one side of your mouth on my issues and the other on yours- makes you a hypocrite. And a bit daft.

Blah blah blah - Government Solutions creating Government Problems needing Government Solutions. The Circle of Progress.

Increased food prices decrease food pantry donations. Decreased donations means more welfare, not less. Private businesses have fed the government beast but the lack of short-term returns to shareholders mean private businesses aren't willing to take on debt building farms where there were none. The lack of infrastructure, from roadways that will accommodate constant heavy truck traffic to inadequate bridges to a mismanaged waterway system, means even if a private business was willing to invest in areas that desperately need investment, it would be less efficient than in other states.

You're cutting off your nose to spite your face. Properly planned and executed efficiently, a resurgence in Southern farming would strengthen state economies, reduce federal assistance, and move some power from the left and right coasts inland- EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WANT. I am literally advocating for what you said above ("decouple from the concentrated urban centers") and giving you a partial map of how to do it, but you're too goddamn conservative to understand that it's a legitimate pathway to strength and prosperity.

It's not.

It bloody well is, and you'd have to be a fool not to notice.

There are no homeless people in Martha's Vineyard...
Lack of "affordable" housing does not create homelessness. If I am wealthy and have a nice home, I don't want to live next to dregs and projects so my shit can bet broken into every other week.

According to the GAO, you're flat wrong- they've found that a $100 increase in median rent corresponds to a 9% increase in the estimated homelessness rate. Also, where in my post did I say that wealthy enclaves should have low-income housing interspersed throughout? That should segue into a conversation about public transportation but that's a nonstarter with conservatives.

If they where ever destined to be productive members of society they would simply... move. Can't afford an apartment in Pala Alto? Maybe move to Lincoln Nebraska then.

There's no way you're this dense. If they can't afford housing, how are they going to move? Do you... do you think the soon-to-be-homeless are sitting on retirement nest eggs?

The median rent in Lincoln, Nebraska is $1,157, which means someone would need to cover their costs of moving and have $1,157 as a security deposit, and have $1,157 at the end of the month to cover rent.

Childish.

Legalizing drugs, allowing people to have, distribute and use drugs also doesn't solve the drug problem. This goes back to my statements - you're progressive colleges only make being homeless easier.

If you secured the boards you could reduce the incoming shipments of Chinese fentanyl, the drug of choice ravaging this country. If you actually prospected people and had secure prisons - you'd ensure they'd be 6 months to a year sober and clean. Instead of wasting money on homeless enrichment projects, maybe create drug offender specific incarceration centers.

No, you are progressive colleges. Colleagues? Collagen? Progressive collagen, making Nancy Pelosi look sane since 1986.

Nails secure boards. Sometimes screws. Oh, borders. Yeah, I like dags.

You do understand that the throughput of shipping would be greatly reduced if effective searches were possible, right? Literally everyone would be impacted by shipping throughput issues- and if you wanted to increase throughput, you'd be increasing government spending. Uh oh. You have a cake, but you're so hungry. So hungry. Maybe you need two cakes so you can have a cake and eat it too.

Prospected people? To quote your people, speak English.

How are you going to have secure prisons when you're dealing with poorly educated prison staff who don't make much money unless they're in a position of power? Uh oh, you'd be increasing government spending again. Dammit, gonna need three cakes.

It can't.

Yeah, it can. Like, it's a literal scientific fact that it can. I bet even Fox has covered a story on addiction treatment (I searched, they have).

Why not throw in caffeine and corn syrup as well to bolster those numbers for a bullshit statistic point?

We could, but you wouldn't like that because it'd make illicit drugs an even lower percentage. You're trying to get illicit drugs higher on the list, not lower. Do you even know what you're fighting for?

Funny, your side is also pushing to legalize Marijuana. Once that's 100%, I'm sure Fentanyl will be next.

*SIDE NOTE* I do find it ironic that for years I heard about how Cannabis was a magic substance with no addiction, no side effects, magical healing properties, the "high" was a fraction of what alcohol is.. etc. Now that there is wide spread adoption we're seeing all sorts of studies cropping up about neurological damage, lung damage, eating disorders, diabetes impact, depression, addiction etc.

Fentanyl is a legal treatment and is often used in medical circles. Cannabis was scheduled so highly that it wasn't even available for clinical testing.

Do you know why you're seeing studies cropping up? Because people can actually make studies now. That's what happens when you legalize something, you allow the ability for large studies to legally take place. That's the real magic.

But don't forget it was perfectly legal for the government to manufacture drugs for its own testing.

And what?

Which argument is it? People are homeless because evil rich people won't approve projects being built in their neighborhoods or is it people are crazy and can't function in society?

Do you think drug use contributes to mental health issues?

People are homeless because evil rich people won't change zoning and parking laws, people are homeless because they have untreated mental illness, and people are homeless because they're addicts who can't keep their addiction under control, people are homeless because they're stupid, people are homeless for myriad issues the totality of which I simply don't know.

Yes, drug use can contribute to mental health issues.

When I and other reference "Commie" or "Communist" we are not talking about the idealized fantasy of "oh no Government, we're all equal and take care of each other" hippie shit.

Except that communist means exactly what I wrote before. You don't get to usurp it because you don't have a fucking clue what it means and then use it as a catch-all. That's not how words work- and isn't that what conservatives often complain about woke people doing? You're falling for the same bullshit you claim that other-than-conservatives do, and you're doing a great job of entrenching within and completely embracing that tribalism. Bra-fucking-vo.

We're calling you a Mao-ist, Stalin-ist, Lenin-ist, etc. That you are totally cool with a brutal over reaching central authority who's promising to make life better for all and bring equity to everyone! What! Food is to expensive?! Damn evil greedy corporations! Put a price ceiling on it! Better yet!! Kill all the sparrows that keep eating our grain!!

Food is too expensive, though. The inflation is literally shrinking the middle class. A country without a stable middle class is a country that's ripe for exploitation. It's a country that's sad and decrepit and whose turnaround will cost even more money.

Is it acceptable that the government maintains a price floor, or is it only acceptable that the government does not maintain a price ceiling? Because the government subsidizes farming to the tune of billions of dollars a year. Is that good spending or bad spending? Good reach or bad overreach?

Homeless problem? Cool - Lets legalize drugs, not charge them for theft, public deification, loitering and vagrancy. Wait, more people are coming to California to be homeless?! Okay, better give them free needles, condoms, some free food, shelters, and $500 a month... wait!! MORE ARE COMING?!

Okay, Okay!! Better... make all of our cities "Sanctuary Cities" and let millions of South American illegal immigrants move there...

Some DAs have decriminalized or asked the police not to enforce laws. A lot of cops just plain aren't enforcing laws because the public isn't 100% behind them... after they protected their fellow officers who used excessive force or abused overtime or did any number of things that people finally said "enough" to.

The cost of free needles is so much less than the cost of treating an outbreak of HIV. It's so much less than treating infections from dirty needles. It's an upfront cost that reduces cost down the line.

The cost of free condoms is so much less than the cost of raising a child in the (broken) welfare system. It's so much less than the cost of treating an outbreak of HIV or STDs. It removes a cost from the State- again, an upfront cost that reduces cost down the line. People are gonna have sex, might as well reduce the cost to society of that sex.

Literal 101 Soviet/Chinese Communist Leadership right there.

You ever been to China? If so, do you remember seeing anyone homeless there?

They do have death camps for Uyghurs, though. Don't salivate, it's unbecoming.

It's a giant lie and charade. Promise the unwashed masses whatever bullshit - pay off college loans! - to get elected and then never follow threw.

Build up BS identity politics to create voting blocks and drive division.

Congratulations, you understand how politics work. Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare... nope. A border wall paid for by Mexico? Nope. Bringing troops home? Partially. Trade deals, so much trade? Partially. Muslim ban? Nope. Cuba, China, national debt, deporting all illegals, rebuilding infrastructure, leaving NATO, increasing torture, prosecuting Hillary? Nopes across that board.

I guess it's okay when The Orange God does it but when Joe Biden (FJB!) does it, it's a lie and charade.

Case in Point, the homeless -

Lets End Homelessness! So we award Corbic's Non-Profit "Homeless Lives Matter" $1m to give free Condoms to Homeless!!

I take the $1M and claim a $500k paycheck. I then take another $100k and pay some ethnically diverse students to distribute the condoms that I bought from my best friend's girlfriend's store at a 30% retail mark up. (woman owned small business bruh)

The friend and I then roll some of our "income" into a Non-Profit political action group as a tax write off. This group then runs ads and donates $30k next election cycle to my DNC candidate to make sure I get another $1M to fight homelessness!!

Anyone that claims it's a waste of money is a racist asshole.

Do you think that kind of bullshit is limited to Democrats? Grift is an integral part of politics and should always be punished severely. Anything that violates the trust of the people should be.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

On a completely side note - if you guys find yourselves getting pissed off when you watch/read the news, I'd like you to try an experiment.
Take the source and edit out all the biased/charged language, distill it down to facts only.
Then go to the opposite spectrum of the mediasphere and do the same with their presentation of the same story. See how the facts jive. See if the facts are what is pissing you off or if it's how it's presented.

Humans higher reasoning functions are effective short-circuited when we're made angry or fearful. In short, when someone makes you afraid or angry, you lose the ability to think rationally and apply reason & logic. Once you're in this state, you're easily influenced and can be made to believe whatever they want you to.

or you can tune out of the news completely, no sense in watching it unless you're brain-dead

i'm speaking from a politically homeless perspective, i have no association with any party. AOC and mittromney can both eat dicks. however, the left has to answer for why its acceptable that mobs of people dressed in black are beating people up, and why the media suppresses this activity. and why the media and film are leftist cults. and why schools are no longer hiring teachers but instead, hiring activists

brainy keeps deflecting, the state of california is fully controlled by the left, they are the only ones to blame for their bad policy. if you say zoning and parking you're basically blowing smoke up our asses. go sell crazy somewhere else

[Phlip]

Time for the long-promised years-long investigation into Hunter Biden's dicktures.
Can't wait

[ixfxi]

Whats to investigate? He's a dopehead and the family bagman, the only reason we've got interest in the Ukraine.

The crack pipe doesnt fall far from the old white racist family tree.

[Phlip]

Looks like nothing happens in the House until they dislodge their heads from their asses and pick a Speaker.
The dysfunction is both entertaining and scary to see, these idiots are who idiots chose to lead.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Hunter's the only reason we've got interest in Ukraine?

Food insecurity is global insecurity, and Russia and Ukraine made up more than a quarter of the global wheat supply. Food insecurity in Africa further opens the door for Chinese and Indian colonialism, and food insecurity in the ME and North Africa opens the door for KSA to exert influence.

We know Hunter's a private equity guy (which everyone should regard as shady) with a drug problem. He also has a law degree, corporate C-suite experience, big-name connections, and international corporate expansion knowledge.

You should probably read through the (extensively cited) Wikipedia entry for Hunter Biden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden

You'll see that Hunter's currently under investigation by the Feds for making false declarations during a gun purchase as well as tax-related crimes.

If you don't believe anything there, what can you believe? Wasn't there an uproar from conservatives about liberals teaching kids that 2+2=5?

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Hunter's the only reason we've got interest in Ukraine?

What language are you speaking? The Ukraine situation is now about food scarcity?

The F.B.WHAT is investigating WHO? They dont investigate anything. They dont even answer questions at hearings because either they dont remember or they're late to catch a plane and go on vacation

and yes, 2 + 2 = whatever you want it to equal. Clearly. I mean afterall, wiki is exactly where I head to for facts. And, of course, Zilvia.

You gotta relax, I'm starting to think you're a closet conservative. I'm worried.

Originally Posted by Phlip

Looks like nothing happens in the House until they dislodge their heads from their asses and pick a Speaker.
The dysfunction is both entertaining and scary to see, these idiots are who idiots chose to lead.

its... absolutely GREAT! chaos is a good thing. the soliloquy of chaos.

[collegekid]

What are some other good places to read the news on a factual basis?
I saw the one MrMestophlessseseseesecheese linked

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

What language are you speaking? The Ukraine situation is now about food scarcity?

and yes, 2 + 2 = whatever you want it to equal. Clearly. I mean afterall, wiki is exactly where I head to for facts. And, of course, Zilvia.

Dude, every armed conflict in the world is multifaceted- it's the reason why every major country has power projection infrastructure. It's not just about good guys and bad guys, it's about ports and production. It's about what's in the ground and what's above it. It's about airspace. Then it's about the cascades down the line- who will increase production to make up for a vacuum, where will the brains drain, who's going to starve where and who's most likely to benefit from it? Who gets the contracts to rebuild infrastructure?

Wikipedia is, like it or not, the best aggregator of substantiated links in the world. It's extensively moderated, can be reported for misinformation or bad information, and has millions of eyes on it daily.

[ixfxi]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Dude, every armed conflict in the world is multifaceted- it's the reason why every major country has power projection infrastructure. It's not just about good guys and bad guys, it's about ports and production. It's about what's in the ground and what's above it. It's about airspace. Then it's about the cascades down the line- who will increase production to make up for a vacuum, where will the brains drain, who's going to starve where and who's most likely to benefit from it? Who gets the contracts to rebuild infrastructure?

Wikipedia is, like it or not, the best aggregator of substantiated links in the world. It's extensively moderated, can be reported for misinformation or bad information, and has millions of eyes on it daily.

What good guys and bad guys? Who is the good and who is the bad? Who makes these judgement calls? Or is it like in the Hollywood movies where the bad guys are evil white Russians with heavy accents. Its pretty obvious that if the west didnt stick their big nose into the Ukraine, this situation wouldnt exist.

Wikipedia is great. Its a fantastic aggregator of substantiated leftist links, that are extensively moderated by leftist moderators. It can be reported for misinformation and bad information, ie: NON-CONFORMING to leftist narratives/consensus.

This is no different than your horse shit views on California. LEFTIST dominated in terms of politics, big tech, academia, film, tv and media. You use sesquipedalian terms but fail to make any valid points. When you're in the drivers seat, the only one to blame is the driver. Welcome to California.

In all fairness, Wiki can be used for certain things as long as its not social or political. Visit any hot-button topic and click on the TALK page, its very obvious how left-leaning it is. Check the references and articles, they're hitting all the left wing media sites. Was Twitter or Facebook or Youtube any different? No conflicting opinions allowed. Follow the narrative. No debate, just silence the opposition. First, pound them with the narrative. Then intimidate them, cancel them, attack their ability to make money. Last, dox them, dress up in black bloc and beat the fuck out of them. MUST BE THE DANGEROUS ALT-RIGHT!!! haha

[Phlip]

Kevin McCarthy is having a very bad week and I find it entertaining.
Sure no legislation can be done while this shit show plays out, but it isn't like much would have been done otherwise.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by ixfxi

What good guys and bad guys? Who is the good and who is the bad? Who makes these judgement calls? Or is it like in the Hollywood movies where the bad guys are evil white Russians with heavy accents. Its pretty obvious that if the west didnt stick their big nose into the Ukraine, this situation wouldnt exist.

Typically, the bad guys are the guys who invade another sovereign country for spurious reasons. Yes, I fully understand the ramifications of that statement.

Wikipedia is great. Its a fantastic aggregator of substantiated leftist links, that are extensively moderated by leftist moderators. It can be reported for misinformation and bad information, ie: NON-CONFORMING to leftist narratives/consensus.

Have you considered the fact that you might be wrong? Have you considered that your facts might be opinions and that your talking heads are simply trying to increase their market share to make more money?

Have you clicked through all the links in a "leftist" article, then checked that source's sources? Or are you assuming they're wrong because they don't jive with you?

The right isn't the only group guilty of it.

The left does a bang-up job of pushing the mass shooting narrative, changing the goalposts when the number isn't high enough or weapons bans have left the collective consciousness.

McCarthy and the House Republicans sounds like a great punk band name. "God Save the Clown" can be their first hit.