Healthcare Bill Passed Thread

[kingkilburn]

Two things they didn't address at all with this bill that I think are crucial are malpractice insurance and cost of care(things like the cost medical equipment and basic care).


I have heard of many a doctor that goes out of business because he or she could not afford malpractice insurance. It should not cost a doctor up to 60% of their money(as a business) just for insurance against frivolous law suits.


As far as cost of care goes just take a look at how much you spend for a regular check up or ER visit. I don't like spending hundreds just to wait for an hour when I was on time to only see the doctor for ten minutes. ER visits are just ridiculous. Thousands of dollars for noninvasive medical care such as a broken arm is crazy. Basic medical care like this didn't cost any where near this much for our grandparents and they didn't have insurance to offset the cost.

[kingkilburn]

And if you live in America, you should just shut up all together.

People in other countries wish they were the homeless' of our country.

Just because you have it ok does not mean you can't have it better and you shouldn't be made to feel bad for wanting more.

Originally Posted by s0apgun

USA is supposed to be a capitalist country and the competition of profit is the motivation for labor. This healthcare bill reeks of socialism and supports laziness.

Wasn't the cold war the USA fighting against socialism and here we are becoming more and more what we hated so much.

Capitalism is not a political system and we have never been capitalist to begin with. Our country was founded on tariffs and monopolies. We are also a very socialist country while fearing the word. We have had socialist programs from almost the very beginning.

The Cold War was all about two empires pushing their spheres of influence through proxy wars. CCCP was not socialist or communist, it was very much a military dictatorship.


If you like this modern life you live you should really look into what has allowed you to live it. It is very likely that your water and power are or were at some point built and run by a government body of some sort. If you went to public school of any kind. If you have ever driven on a road. If you live near a dam. Have ever been to a park(local state or national). There are so many things the progressive movement gave to us and it seems like all this socialist bashing wants to forget about it.

[Mister.E]

if it's anything like military helath care, you won't be allowed to file a law suit for malpractice.

[negrosx13]

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by E Double

if it's anything like military helath care, you won't be allowed to file a law suit for malpractice.

You can file against military healthcare but the statute of limitations is like 2 years. My brother has learning disabilities because of some quack doctor and by the time we found out it was to late to sue.


The way this seems to be set up the feds are brokering private insurance so I would think you would be able to sue.

Personally I am all for government run healthcare but this is a shitty compromise between the democrats and the insurance companies. They should have used the VA as a model and extended the same benefits to all citizens.

[Mister.E]

prime example of the awesome health care you receive in the military

Report details mistakes that cost airman legs - Air Force News, news from Iraq - Air Force Times

im not the least bit impressed with the BS health care ive received during the time i've been in. they try to tell you that it's one of your "benefits" but i would rather be paying for real health care.

i welcome the rest of the nation to universal health care.

[0100]

Originally Posted by I LUV MY S13

stop the support and let them die.

fixed.....

[BustedS13]

Funny how anyone can be forced to join the Army and kill people they don't want to. But a mandate to buy health insurance (which is free if you can't afford even that) , is somehow outrageous.

[chucky norris]

Originally Posted by lou's40sx

Damn, you need anger management. I hope that's included in the Health care bill. RELAX! It's the internet, it ain't real. And Seattle has the highest suicide rate due to the vast amounts of rain.

lol keep it up i like your responses they crack me up

[Ghost240]

I love the welfare references. You realize that majority of the people on welfare don't reside in the ghettos but in the poor no name rural parts of America? And as for whose fault it is that America is like this, I blame us, the citizenry. Over the years people have become more and more complacent as to what the government can do, say, and etc. As a result the people have become more ignorant of the initiatives, laws and policies. No one cared when we were in the upswing and careless spending occurred, but now that the tax burdened middle class is starting to buckle everyone screams foul. Where were you when they decided to change things? Did you make your voice heard? If not then STFU and deal with it or make your voice and opinion known.

And as for who this Healthcare plan is gonna benefit....effective as soon as it passed was college graduates. Instead of being booted off of your parents insurance, you have until 26 to get your own. This is a HUGE improvement especially to those struggling to find a job after college. With the employment rate trickling upwards, it isn't easy finding a job anymore. So to just make blanket statements about lazy fat asses not pulling their end, is pure ignorance on your part. As for the rest of the plan I am still investigating it and haven't determined how I feel about it.

And before you call me a liberal, democrat or republican, remember that those titles simply mean nothing and are for show. These words are so interchangeable that people often times don't know what they really mean anymore. No less than 30 or 40yrs ago today's democrats would've been considered republicans and vice versa. I am not affiliated with any freakin political party because it doesn't make sense to be. No one is truly black or white, there are alot of gray areas. So to be either or is foolish. Not to mention it goes against the basic principle of America. "United we stand, divided we fall" and we are so heavily divided it isn't even funny. And i do not place my faith in one person leading a nation of millions. All great change has come from the people. It wasn't given to them by anyone.

/rant

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

Funny how anyone can be forced to join the Army and kill people they don't want to. But a mandate to buy health insurance (which is free if you can't afford even that) , is somehow outrageous.

Uh... remember the uproar over the "fake" draft bill?

A government mandate to buy ANYTHING is outrageous.

To be forced to participate in a broken system is yet another example of the tyranny of our leaders.

[ronmcdon]

Can anyone provide a link with a more comprehensive, up-to-date list of the provisions?
this has been revised by the house & senate so much that it's difficult to keep up.

the wiki article is just too vague & lacking in details imo
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

without going into the details,
I'm just skeptical we'll be spending $$$ on something that even works.
As mentioned prior (not just in this thread),
you can't just make the health-care system work by throwing money at it.

The added taxes are a bit drastic yes.
I recall the senate wanted to tax even something as absurd as cosmetic surgery?!
Wish more measures were taken to regulate the existing health insurance companies from abusive practices
(that wouldn't have cost taxpayers anything).

[jspaeth]

Originally Posted by theicecreamdan

How many people are going to actually get free healthcare from this?

35 million. "They will have to pay too". Yeah right, and then they will get the money back as "tax credits" (aka getting tax money back they never paid in the first place).

Originally Posted by ryguy

As long as Uncle Sam is giving out free shit, people are too ignorant to care.

Perfectly correct.

Originally Posted by E Double

Too bad most people dont realize that it's not fucking free. I think a lot of people fail to realize that if they dont purchase some type of health care plan there will be penalties. They dont understand that they must purchase insurance or pay a penalty that would be the greater of $750 or 2% of their income by 2016.

Hahahahah see above post. The government is going to give that money back to those people anyway in the form of "tax credits".....aka.....Person 1 payed 40% of his income in taxes, and we are going to give some of that to Person 2, who paid none.

Originally Posted by filiperuvian

what's with punishing the rich? i know they're easy targets right now because of the wall street bullshit and all...but seriously how is it fair to target people who are successful?

Exactly

Originally Posted by lou's40sx

^^How do you punish the rich? Oh, you can't have 2 Ferrari's, only 1! That will punish you.

Good saracasm. MOST people that are wealthy are that way because they are succesfful and work hard, and most poor people are poor because they (or their parents) were NOT successful or did NOT work hard.

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

America is about free choices. Forcing citizens to purchase a product they dont want goes against everything this country stands for: free will.

Correct again.

Originally Posted by lou's40sx

It's greed and power that is ignorance that blinds people and it is the downfall of many societies. So, let's not stop strong Hitler and let the weak jews fend for themselves.

Dumbass. The Jews were PHYSICALLY stopped from pursuing happiness by being rounded up and killed.

To compare that with people living in the US who fail to become successful in a society that does more than any other society ever to give people the CHANCE to be successful is complete ignorance.

Really, you are a moron.

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Dude. It's all about class welfare. the poor want to blame the rich for their problems. Even the the vast amjority of wealthy folks worked hard for what they have. Typically these are business owners that will inevitably slash salaries or layoff workers due to increasing taxes.

This will all trickle down in the end. Go ahead and tax those that make over $200k. Tax your bosses and see how long your salary or job lasts.

Agreed. Our country sucks. A bunch of pussies that complain when those around them are more successful.

If you are unsuccessful in the US, it is because you have NO SKILLS THAT ARE VALUABLE TO ANYONE ELSE.

Too fucking bad, get good at something that someone will pay you or exchange services for.

[XnTroubleX]

Fuck the Government, and fuck all the people with the hand out wanting something given to them.

[Antihero983]

Fuck both sides, Reps and Dems. Politicians in general make me sick.

[EDT007]

Originally Posted by lou's40sx

Resolution to save America and it's health care:

1. Make it illegal to outsource to other countries
2. Make it legal for illegals to work, Make them pay taxes.
3. Stop the war on Illegals, because it's wasting money and doesn't work, I see them every day passing by Homedepot.
4. Stop the war on drugs, because it's wasting money and not working.
5. Stop bs'ing about Global Warming, it really doesn't matter because I'll be dead if it was true, and if you have kids, well, sue Trojan.
6. Make felons pay off their debts to society by making them build more highways and drift courses and mountain roads.
7. Give poor people health care parts but ONLY Chinese parts, Save the good JDM parts for people who can afford it.

Wow, seriously!? Shut the f*ck up with your worthless rantings. Go read a f*ckin' book! So in other words you want all the illegals to start working (therefore allowing them to be legal) and in such making the unemployment rate higher. As for the drugs, real smart. We'll have crackheads filling your prescription at the pharmacy. I can't wait till all the real #'s come out regarding this plan so I can see all these people's high spirits crumble.

[TheWolf]

the poor are terrible with money. That's why they're poor. You can not fix the "poor" by throwing money at the problem.

washington can burn... there's nothing left in there that represents america. Both parties have become fiscally irresponsible puppets looking out for their own interests.

If everyone is wrong. No one is right. 435 people with each having a 4 year college degree. Can't figure out this very simple concept.

While I hope no one is harmed, I know the war is coming. America is now permanently divided. Nothing can heal it. Nothing can stop it.

[aziankingz]

i seriously hope this is just a publicity stunt from obama and his staff and get rejected in the long run, then he can say he tried to make a change and did not break his promise.

if this does go into effect, the ones that are truly suffering are us low-middle class and middle income class WORKING people. I agree with some of you that this country has turned for the worse - giving money to those who do not want to work (poor motherfuckers) and they seriously take it for granted. I know these days are tough and it is tough to find a job, but i used to live with my grandparents in the projects in the lower east side and i see generations of these freeloaders (poor people) - we are practically throwing money into a pit, because these people are comfortable taking tax payer's money and i do not blame them. Why work your ass off when you can just get welfare, live in government projects, get WIC, etc for free? Now the government wants to throw in free healthcare - WOW!! They sure are going to love that. These are the same motherfuckers robbing people on the streets and drug dealing, etc.

[Gnnr]

This is a good read

How Obama Did It - Yahoo! News
.....Americans, it is sometimes said, are philosophically conservative but operationally liberal. We see ourselves as rugged, self-reliant folks who have made it without Washington’s help and believe others should do the same. It’s a flattering self-conception, and one Americans have little trouble reconciling with our dependence on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the veterans’ health system, federal aid to education, home mortgage deductions, federal road construction, farm subsidies and the like. (It is often the places where dependence on government is greatest—like Alaska, which lives on the oil dole, or the South, which reached economic parity with the rest of the country largely because of military and agricultural spending—that cling most fervently to this Glenn Beck fantasy.) But every generation or so, a president punctures the ideological veneer by focusing on what life is like for Americans who really are on their own. What it’s like “on the ground, in the field.”....

Ahh, Americans.

Originally Posted by aziankingz

i seriously hope this is just a publicity stunt from obama and his staff and get rejected in the long run, then he can say he tried to make a change and did not break his promise.

if this does go into effect, the ones that are truly suffering are us low-middle class and middle income class WORKING people. I agree with some of you that this country has turned for the worse - giving money to those who do not want to work (poor motherfuckers) and they seriously take it for granted. I know these days are tough and it is tough to find a job, but i used to live with my grandparents in the projects in the lower east side and i see generations of these freeloaders (poor people) - we are practically throwing money into a pit, because these people are comfortable taking tax payer's money and i do not blame them. Why work your ass off when you can just get welfare, live in government projects, get WIC, etc for free? Now the government wants to throw in free healthcare - WOW!! They sure are going to love that. These are the same motherfuckers robbing people on the streets and drug dealing, etc.

Who THE FUCK wants to live in the ghetto? You just stated why the hell you wouldn't want to.

Also its not a publicity stunt, it already passed.

[theicecreamdan]

Originally Posted by s0apgun

USA is supposed to be a capitalist country and the competition of profit is the motivation for labor. This healthcare bill reeks of socialism and supports laziness.

Wasn't the cold war the USA fighting against socialism and here we are becoming more and more what we hated so much.

Some markets just can't function for the good of the people with profit being the motivation. Most people aren't complaining about our other "socialized" services. There are times when I want to get what I pay for, I'm not interested in making another insurance executives next car payment when all I need is an inhaler so I can breathe easily.

I'd rather see cuts in military be the source of paying for our healthcare.

I don't really like being mandated to buy insurance when the insurance system is one that I still disagree with.

[roboticnissan]

i dont think that any one person on here fully knows enuff about how our govt actually works or how healthcare is paid for or given. or edd for that matter. so sick of these anti democrat or republican threads all you guys are one sided tards.

[kingkilburn]

It would seem that the consensus is that we don't like either one.

[aziankingz]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

This is a good read




Ahh, Americans.




Who THE FUCK wants to live in the ghetto? You just stated why the hell you wouldn't want to.

Also its not a publicity stunt, it already passed.

like i said, they are comfortable there and get free shit from taxpayers..why move out? ive seen it with my own eyes.. theres fucking 2-3 generations living in majority of those apartments..

[jspaeth]

Originally Posted by aziankingz

like i said, they are comfortable there and get free shit from taxpayers..why move out? ive seen it with my own eyes.. theres fucking 2-3 generations living in majority of those apartments..

I always love to hear from people that have actually seen it with their own eyes and have the guts to stand up and say it.

[Gnnr]

Oh please, I lived in the ghetto in the early 90s when the crack dealing and crime was at all time high in Miami. Its not fun being woken up at 3am having to duck on the floor because they where shooting outside. GTFO of here with that argument.

Some ≠ all. There may be some that want to stay there, but you can believe the majority want to leave.

[jspaeth]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Oh please, I lived in the ghetto in the early 90s when the crack dealing and crime was at all time high in Miami. Its not fun being woken up at 3am having to duck on the floor because they where shooting outside. GTFO of here with that argument.

Some ≠ all. There may be some that want to stay there, but you can believe the majority want to leave.

I agree some does not equal all. But why is it that so many European immigrants worked their asses off through discrimination and many of those families are successful today, yet there are so many people today, especially in inner-city areas, who generation after generation cannot seem to do the same?

Why is today's class of "working poor" so much shittier at pulling themselves up and succeeding than their early 1900s counterparts?

.....and despite the fact that poor people today have a 1000x advantage over poor people/immigrants in the early 1900s.



I'll answer for you.

It's called work ethic. Family. Knowing right versus wrong. Saving rather than wasting money on frivelous things.

[s13dan]

Wealth inequality is a serious issue in america. It also is a whole other topic, but something to look into for all of you that think simply owning a new car and a ranch style house is "making it". Knowing wealthy people is a big factor in how finacially sucessful you are in life and in america. Unfortunate but true.

Top 1% owns 50% of the wealth in america. Top 10% has close to 75% of the wealth.

[jspaeth]

Originally Posted by s13dan

Wealth inequality is a serious issue in america. It also is a whole other topic, but something to look into for all of you that think simply owning a new car and a ranch style house is "making it". Knowing wealthy people is a big factor in how finacially sucessful you are in life and in america. Unfortunate but true.

Top 1% owns 50% of the wealth in america. Top 10% has close to 75% of the wealth.

Another good stat:

90% of millionaires have parents that were NOT millionaires.

People think that being poor means always poor and being rich means always rich.


WRONG.

Poor people have a better chance here than ANYWHERE of working their asses off, saving, succeeding, and moving up (maybe not in just 1 generation, but that requires being unselfish enough to care about your kids more than yourself).

MOST rich people are rich because they are REALLY good at something that other people consider to be a valuable skill.

[Ghost240]

How about I suggest something really crazy for a second.......

READ THE FUCKING BILL THEN DECIDE!!!!

Just saying.....do your homework before you pop off.

[ryguy]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Who THE FUCK wants to live in the ghetto? You just stated why the hell you wouldn't want to.

He's right, there are quite a few people who live in the ghetto and don't care to pull themselves out. I work in the city with a girl whose whole family does not work and takes a check from the government and lives in the projects. She makes as much working for a paycheck as each individual member of her family makes sitting on their asses doing nothing, and she says everybody around her has pretty much the same story. Why work when you can make just as much money as working part time PLUS a home PLUS benefits sitting on your ass?

Not all government housing is "ghetto" either. The people who live across the street from us are Section 8, and my neighborhood is a nice, average middle class neighborhood.

Originally Posted by Ghost240

How about I suggest something really crazy for a second.......

READ THE FUCKING BILL THEN DECIDE!!!!

Just saying.....do your homework before you pop off.

Why? The members of Congress havent. I've read enough of it to know I hate it, and regardless, the federal government constitutionally has no authority to enact this measure.