Religion<Jesus

[kingkilburn]

Name a single person killed by Satan in the entire new testament. lol

[SR240DET]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Name a single person killed by Satan in the entire new testament. lol

That I can't do,I don't think he killed a single person, satan may be the way to go if you want to warship a omnipotent being, LOL.

[kingkilburn]

Hail Satan!

[SR240DET]

We've been misled, our true father lies beneath our feet and hell is in the clouds, Hail Satan!

[Devius]

This is why im a proud atheist. Religion is such bs its not even funny. Its people looking for a scapegoat to do bad things, then go to a church for a clean slate. U wanna find the largest group of bullshitters? Go to a church. Biggest group of sinners? Go to a church. Most judgemental grouo of people? Go to a church. Personally, believing in god is like believing in peter pan. Just cuz I buy peter pan peanut butter, dont make peter pan real. And just cuz u read a book of fairy tales, dont make them real.

[redline racer510]

Originally Posted by ryandh

So just except religion and everything that comes from it? Fuck that. Athiests are among the top to be descriminated against in the US, even more so than racism or sexism, so why would you not want to question it, and refute it?

and this video,"why I hate religion but love jesus" makes no sense. Because of jesus we have organized religion. Just like every other monotheistic belief, a 'god' or gods are the reason for it (organized religion). Because of RELIGION, things like 9/11 happen; so letting theist have their way and try to convert people to their belief system isn't how humanity will prosper.

The people that committed 9/11 where hardly Muslim. They may have claimed they did it in the name of Islam or Allah but what they did before would show the contrary. Lets see, a devout "muslim" spent money at a strip club, then went to a sex shop where he bought sex toys then went to a bar and purchased large amounts of alcohol where they then paid for a hotel and pulled out large sums of money which was later found out to pay prostitutes. Why would they do that if they knew they were going to have 72 virgins, lol. Doesn't sound too Islamic to me. Just because someone claims to do something in the name of god or religion does not mean it was the intended purpose. In reality the media likes to cram this into our mind giving us the idea that ALL Muslims think or do things like this when in fact they represent a very small population of less than .001 percent

[SR240DET]

Originally Posted by redline racer510

The people that committed 9/11 where hardly Muslim. They may have claimed they did it in the name of Islam or Allah but what they did before would show the contrary. Lets see, a devout "muslim" spent money at a strip club, then went to a sex shop where he bought sex toys then went to a bar and purchased large amounts of alcohol where they then paid for a hotel and pulled out large sums of money which was later found out to pay prostitutes. Why would they do that if they knew they were going to have 72 virgins, lol. Doesn't sound too Islamic to me. Just because someone claims to do something in the name of god or religion does not mean it was the intended purpose. In reality the media likes to cram this into our mind giving us the idea that ALL Muslims think or do things like this when in fact they represent a very small population of less than .001 percent

cite your source please.

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by redline racer510

The people that committed 9/11 where hardly Muslim. They may have claimed they did it in the name of Islam or Allah but what they did before would show the contrary. Lets see, a devout "muslim" spent money at a strip club, then went to a sex shop where he bought sex toys then went to a bar and purchased large amounts of alcohol where they then paid for a hotel and pulled out large sums of money which was later found out to pay prostitutes. Why would they do that if they knew they were going to have 72 virgins, lol. Doesn't sound too Islamic to me. Just because someone claims to do something in the name of god or religion does not mean it was the intended purpose. In reality the media likes to cram this into our mind giving us the idea that ALL Muslims think or do things like this when in fact they represent a very small population of less than .001 percent

Ok, really? where in my original post did I say the word 'muslim'? It doesnt matter what they believe in, what matters is that it was done in the name of religion, and done in the name of whatever 'god' they believe in, regardless of their actions prior to the event. They could be Christians, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, Anglicans, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, or Jews....take your pick, it doesnt matter what they believe in, it matters that they do these actions BASED on their religious beliefs.

Are you religious? And yes, that is a sincere question...

[Mrpopo]

Aren't Muslim extremist about to suicide bomb or something allowed to do those things right before? I think I heard that somewhere before

[Walperstyle]

^The best way to look at Islam is to compare the different flavors of Christians. Far too many people that warp or adjust the words of god to make things 'ok' to them. I belive Islam is wrong, but I can't point the finger without accepting the blame for being part of the same system of 'generalizing'.

We have crazy snake charming Christians...worse off, in the past, we Christians had the Crusades.

The problem is people in power, and the individual quest to figure out life.

Unfortunately, some people figure that killing a bunch of people will make them 'free'. That has nothing to do with religion.

example, Its easy to say a bunch of 'old jew money' is behind SOPA, when in reality, the problem is just old greed. Has nothing to do with race or religion.... its humanity.

You want to see most of the world problems disappear, eliminate greed and self righteousness. Then maybe we can work on some commandments, or whatever the pillars of islam say, lol.

[redline racer510]

Originally Posted by Mrpopo

Aren't Muslim extremist about to suicide bomb or something allowed to do those things right before? I think I heard that somewhere before

I dont know where you heard that they were allowed to conduct themselves in the way they acted the way they did, but in Islam they violated some huge and I mean huge Islamic laws the only thing left to do after what they did is to pretty much denounce Islam just to give some perspective. As for the gentlemen that wants me to cite my sources, this is first hand experience (traveled the length of the us and the majority of the middle east and europe) for the .001 percent it is figurative speech basically the ones that do commit acts such as 9/11 are very few in number but unfortunately are the ones portrayed to represent Islam. In the Qur'an it says and I quote "if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity"(surah5:verse32).

[kingkilburn]

Redline, what makes you think you are the master of religious denomination categorizing?

The fucking guys yell praise Allah while blowing shit up. I think I'll go with calling them Muslim.

[redline racer510]

kingkil you are quick to label people take it down a notch. I don't think I am the specialist of anything I just use common sense which apparently isn't so common these days. Why dont you quit jumping the gun and take it easy you don't like something I am saying fine, but don't crack wise ass comments. BTW saying praise Allah doesn't make them Muslim at all, in this case just because it looks and quacks like a duck does not make it a duck just an elaborate duck costume.

[kingkilburn]

Again. What makes you the master of religious denomination categorizing?

The rest of the world's Muslims considers them Muslim even if they don't agree with their interpretation of the faith.

If you don't like my rebuttal either prove why you are the authority on the subject here or stop using that as the crux of your argument.



P.S.
If you want to shorten my sn go with Kilburn please. That really my name as much as people here don't seem to believe it. lol

[ryandh]

Originally Posted by redline racer510

"if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity"(surah5:verse32).

I like how quoting something from a book makes it factual OR correct lol.

And as Lord Voldemort once said in the Sorcerer's Stone,
"There is no good and evil, there is only power, and those too weak to seek it..."


You better live by it and believe in it, and if you don't, you'll burn in hell for eterinty...even though I created you in my own image and I love you, but if you don't love me back and worship me, seriously, I'll fuckin burn you in hell forever HAHAHA.
Religion- what a crock.

[kingkilburn]

God is the worst girlfriend ever.

[kingkilburn]

Psalm 137:9

Best verse from the bible bar none. Totally sums up the religion.

[redline racer510]

I would really like to see these Muslims claiming that the suspects of 9/11 are Muslim. Saying Allahuakbar (God is great) is not an implication of being Muslim, their are many other attributes stated in their holy book that are needed to be met in order to be a Muslim. You are implying that I am a master of religious denomination categorizing yet you are the one saying "he yelled out praise Allah which makes them Muslim", so let me ask YOU Kilburn, what makes you the master of religious denomination categorizing? I really want to get back to the subject at hand rather than trying to prove something you deny even if the proof was laid out in front of you.

BTW sorry for not calling you by the correct name.

[redline racer510]

Originally Posted by ryandh

I like how quoting something from a book makes it factual OR correct lol.

And as Lord Voldemort once said in the Sorcerer's Stone,
"There is no good and evil, there is only power, and those too weak to seek it..."


You better live by it and believe in it, and if you don't, you'll burn in hell for eterinty...even though I created you in my own image and I love you, but if you don't love me back and worship me, seriously, I'll fuckin burn you in hell forever HAHAHA.
Religion- what a crock.

It doesn't have to be factual nor true. You are saying it is ok for people to kill others for no apparent reason, you don't agree with the quoted statement above because it cam from a religious book.


Voldemont is a bald idiot with Micheal Jackson syndrome too cheap to have his nose repaired, sounds like the kind of guy you would admire lol.

I live and believe it and hope you do the same or we might have homicidal zilvians running around. I don't believe god created us in his image because if that was the case it would be giving human attributes to god which is contradictory. You dont have to love god to pray to him.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by redline racer510

I would really like to see these Muslims claiming that the suspects of 9/11 are Muslim. Saying Allahuakbar (God is great) is not an implication of being Muslim, their are many other attributes stated in their holy book that are needed to be met in order to be a Muslim. You are implying that I am a master of religious denomination categorizing yet you are the one saying "he yelled out praise Allah which makes them Muslim", so let me ask YOU Kilburn, what makes you the master of religious denomination categorizing? I really want to get back to the subject at hand rather than trying to prove something you deny even if the proof was laid out in front of you.

BTW sorry for not calling you by the correct name.

I don't claim to be the master but when someone says Christian or Muslim you say no in spite of the evidence that is plain to see. I don't even think 9/11 was done by terrorist(an entirely different issue) but there is no doubt in my mind that those extremist paramilitary groups in the middle east are the Muslims they claim to be. That doesn't mean they are proper Muslims that follow the letter of the book but Muslims none the less.

No worries on the name.

Originally Posted by redline racer510

I don't believe god created us in his image because if that was the case it would be giving human attributes to god which is contradictory.

Genesis 1:27


You can't pick and choose what to believe. It's all or nothing.


The implications of our creation(as I see it) and the trees of life and knowledge according to the old testament is that the only things separating man and god are the trees. We now posses all the knowledge god does(or the ability to), but not his form or the capabilities held in it.

[redline racer510]

You base your decision off of one statement. Your telling me one statement is enough to convince you someone is Christian,Muslim, Jew, Hindu etc. You cannot make your mind until you see ALL evidence. Yes they claim to be, it is not the same as being. Most of these guys are thugs that cant make a living otherwise, claiming the religion they grew up to follow is a way to recruit if you will in a country that has a Muslim majority. Listen I cant change your mind, if you want to believe there Muslim whatever, you just have to understand that your basing your decision on limited evidence.


What state of authority are you to say "all or nothing" you are an Atheist lol you believe in yourself, I believe what I want to believe and vice versa. Who ever said I am christian or I believe in the current bible?

[usdm180sx]

Sex is evil. Evil is sin. Sin is forgiven. So sex is in. Done.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by redline racer510

You base your decision off of one statement. Your telling me one statement is enough to convince you someone is Christian,Muslim, Jew, Hindu etc. You cannot make your mind until you see ALL evidence. Yes they claim to be, it is not the same as being. Most of these guys are thugs that cant make a living otherwise, claiming the religion they grew up to follow is a way to recruit if you will in a country that has a Muslim majority. Listen I cant change your mind, if you want to believe there Muslim whatever, you just have to understand that your basing your decision on limited evidence.

You will never ever see ALL the evidence. The question is what amount of evidence is required to make an informed decision. For me the fact that people are yelling glory to god while rushing to their deaths implies that they have faith that their soul is being taken care off.

Originally Posted by redline racer510

What state of authority are you to say "all or nothing" you are an Atheist lol you believe in yourself, I believe what I want to believe and vice versa. Who ever said I am christian or I believe in the current bible?

The authority is the book. The claim is that the book is the word of god and god is unfoulable. You question the book or intentionally twist the words to serve your own ends and you are not honoring god. So it is all or nothing. You can question even a single letter or punctuation mark and you certainly can't just disregard what you don't like.

My faith or lack there of has no bearing on my ability to read and think critically.

You have greatly implied through the language you use and the arguments you make that you are in fact a protestant christian.

[redline racer510]

lol, survey says NOPE .....................but good try. Did you ever think those people rushing to their deaths' might be insane. Don't know about you but most religions do not preach to kill yourself and take along innocent people with you, dont know bout you but from what I read about Islam and speaking to them about this subject, they can't even comprehend this idea of doing such things, so I say they were insane because no SANE person would do such atrocious things .
You believe:
ISLAM/Christian's=terrorism
There is no such thing as a good Muslim/Christian. They are all the same and their religion preaches hate and breeds war mongers, did I get that right? Like you say "My faith or lack there of has no bearing on my ability to read and think critically "have yet to see any of this.

[kingkilburn]

The most you can claim is that it is your opinion that these particular Muslims were not properly following scripture.

Your sanity argument is hilarious. Believing an all knowing all powerful being cares to talk to and influence the life of a single person is insane. The idea that the universe is 5000 years old is insane.



I never said a thing about individual people. I know plenty of good Mormons but their faith is still crazy talk.

[usdm180sx]

The only person ever to follow the bible by the book was Jesus Christ. Then again, which Bible was it? The NIV, KJV, NKJV, HDTV, DVD, EPMD...? What proof is there that the dead sea scrolls are the word of God? There is none. You have to believe that through faith. Then again, the dead sea scrolls were all compiled and edited by men. Then there's Adam Smith...

I read the NIV version from cover to cover. There is a lot of good stuff in there. It helps me to be a better person. From what I have researched, the NIV has the least revisions and is the version that is most directly taken from the dead sea scrolls because I believe that the word of God comes from them. Plus it's easy to read

Pick a faith and live it if it helps you better your life. But don't tell me what I need to do to be straight with GOD. I know what I need to do. That's between him and I, and that's what I believe the video is trying to say.

[AdamR]

The terrorists didn't commit the acts on 9/11 because they hate Christians or want to kill those who aren't Muslims. They did it because of the US support for Israel, who has done some pretty bad things in the name of religion.

[kingkilburn]

How about it was the old testament as it has been since it was first written down. There only are two versions and they only differ by one letter.

Jesus most definitely did not follow the book and if you think you can do the same and be "straight with god" maybe you need to reread it.

[McMahon]

Saw this on facebook a week or so ago, loved it.

[s14fbs]

leo stirring up shit on a forum near you

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