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xplicit240 · 09-21-2007, 02:39 PM

well i have the greddy type s coil overs. i daily my car. perfect for me. it can ride soft and you can track it. one of my other friends uses it on his s13 also.

DP_Michelle G · 09-21-2007, 04:15 PM

^^There the same as the megans made in the same factory in china just like the apexi coils.

DOOK · 09-21-2007, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceInHole

Unless that name is from Japan.... I still haven't seen a JDM performance damper I'd upgrade to.

As for comfort, I'm pretty happy with my mild 11kg springs on Konis. It still pales in comparison to heavier sprung Ohlins.

most of the super suspension system origins lie in german engineering.... can't touch em in america and neither can the japanese. I'd love to have my suspension changed out.

!Zar! · 09-21-2007, 04:44 PM

Just weld the shock. Your car will be stuff and you'll be the coolest kid on the block.

93SECoupe · 09-21-2007, 05:18 PM

I suggest you get KW Variant 3 coilovers if you have the budget and you want quality German engineering. They come with progressive springs which are 6k/4k. I have them on my car and the ride is better than stock.

drift freaq · 09-21-2007, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceInHole

Unless that name is from Japan.... I still haven't seen a JDM performance damper I'd upgrade to.

As for comfort, I'm pretty happy with my mild 11kg springs on Konis. It still pales in comparison to heavier sprung Ohlins.

Now I get to try out the Ohlins for S13 that I picked up. The fronts are sick 52mm inverted adjustable monotube. These actually have spring perches with Apex springs on them but I am thinking about collaring them and making them height adjustable.

DOOK · 09-21-2007, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Now I get to try out the Ohlins for S13 that I picked up. The fronts are sick 52mm inverted adjustable monotube. These actually have spring perches with Apex springs on them but I am thinking about collaring them and making them height adjustable.

I envy you

!Zar! · 09-21-2007, 11:51 PM

I'm getting ready to get a set of Ohlins for my suby.

Another coilover that feels good once setup properly is Tein Super Drifts.

240sxdreaming · 09-22-2007, 04:35 PM

shit, thats a funny one. comferatable and COILOVERS in the same sentence. hahah. but i guess you can have both if you want. i like them supper stiff so the girls TITIES bounce

when shes in your ride. GET SOME STIFF ONES YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

articdragon192 · 09-22-2007, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240sxdreaming

shit, thats a funny one. comferatable and COILOVERS in the same sentence. hahah. but i guess you can have both if you want. i like them supper stiff so the girls TITIES bounce

when shes in your ride. GET SOME STIFF ONES YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's possible. Like I said, Tein Flexes.

!Zar! · 09-22-2007, 06:21 PM

Like I said, coilovers set to full stiff are about as helpful as a welded stock shock.

az_240 · 09-22-2007, 09:06 PM

tein flexes are the way to go if you want a comfortable coilover.

thats all anyone needs to know.

r6_240sx · 09-22-2007, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by articdragon192

Want comfort? Easy... Tein Flexes. 6/4 rates and the valving is spot on for those rates. Very very smooth ride. I had them on my S13 and had people fall asleep in my car. The way they ride is very different from other more aggressive coilovers, and it's very apparent when seen from outside.

True story, I've fallen asleep in car riding on Tein Flexes. Not Edgar's tho.

hung12848 · 09-22-2007, 10:40 PM

Friend of mine had about 10 240sx's in his warehouse and the one i had ride on for the best comfort are the TEIN FLEX doesnt really feel like riding on the Coilover!!! also HKS hyper 2 are pretty good as well will cost alot but TOP brand doesnt make difference. if your budget are over 1500 then HKS, any below i will pick Stance gs pro+ will im using Stance rite now little bit stiff but better performace than Tein in Touge, DD, and Drift

usdm180sx · 09-22-2007, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by articdragon192

Want comfort? Easy... Tein Flexes. 6/4 rates and the valving is spot on for those rates. Very very smooth ride. I had them on my S13 and had people fall asleep in my car. The way they ride is very different from other more aggressive coilovers, and it's very apparent when seen from outside.

+1. I NEVER considered buying TEIN coilovers but I got Flexes for my s13 because I got them for cheap and I daily drive my car. They are very comfortable, fully adjustabe and TEIN USA is local if you are in So Cal.

KA24DESOneThree · 09-23-2007, 10:28 AM

Coilovers were not designed to make for a stiff ride, nor were they designed to be able to slam the car as low as possible so you look baller. They were designed to allow adjustable ride height for different tracks and to allow cornerweighting for optimal balance.

As for grip guys wanting soft springs, exactly the opposite is true. We need stiff springs to keep us off our tires. What we want, though, has already been said and that is a proper damper with correct valving. A good damper will make an 11kg spring rate feel heavenly with no harshness.

My BMW is running on H&R Race springs and nearly blown Bilstein Sports and the ride quality is worse than my S13 with KTS coilovers and spherical bearings everywhere.

articdragon192 · 09-23-2007, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by az_240

tein flexes are the way to go if you want a comfortable coilover.

thats all anyone needs to know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by r6_240sx

True story, I've fallen asleep in car riding on Tein Flexes. Not Edgar's tho.

You can sleep in my Z if you want... anytime, lol. It's almost as comfy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by usdmsilvia

+1. I NEVER considered buying TEIN coilovers but I got Flexes for my s13 because I got them for cheap and I daily drive my car. They are very comfortable, fully adjustabe and TEIN USA is local if you are in So Cal.

How many more vouches do you need? Pricey but you pay for what you get. Trust me and Norm. We both have/had these coils.

m91silvia · 09-24-2007, 09:55 AM

I have PBM.. i can tell you not to get those if you want a 'comfortable' coilover.

I personally thought megans were pretty decently comfortable on the softest setting. haven't driven/rode on any more expensive coils yet.

a_ahmed · 09-24-2007, 11:04 AM

I wonder where one could buy ohlins... and has anyone had a setup like that done for an S13?...

I am storing my car for the winter.. but next spring/summer i will have to get some... my current crap damper setup is garbage...

I am sort of aware of what koni offers... i was told bilstein is even a better bet (bilstein hd vs koni 8611 ? thoughts? not sure what else they have) but the all out would be ohlins?

Thoughts? Aceinhole what is your friend running? I am thinking 8611... still... but whats out there thats even better

drift freaq · 09-24-2007, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

I wonder where one could buy ohlins... and has anyone had a setup like that done for an S13?...

I am storing my car for the winter.. but next spring/summer i will have to get some... my current crap damper setup is garbage...

I am sort of aware of what koni offers... i was told bilstein is even a better bet (bilstein hd vs koni 8611 ? thoughts? not sure what else they have) but the all out would be ohlins?

Thoughts? Aceinhole what is your friend running? I am thinking 8611... still... but whats out there thats even better

I got my Ohlins from a engine importer, of course they were used. Basically I can tell you a lot of people passed them up, because they had no idea what they were. Also because they were not collared already people probably passed them up in favor of adjustable height setups. Works for me

hehehehe

aznpoopy · 09-24-2007, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

I wonder where one could buy ohlins... and has anyone had a setup like that done for an S13?...

I am storing my car for the winter.. but next spring/summer i will have to get some... my current crap damper setup is garbage...

I am sort of aware of what koni offers... i was told bilstein is even a better bet (bilstein hd vs koni 8611 ? thoughts? not sure what else they have) but the all out would be ohlins?

Thoughts? Aceinhole what is your friend running? I am thinking 8611... still... but whats out there thats even better

look oh ohlin's website. they have a distributor listed for canada in ontario iirc.

DJ_Sunrise · 09-24-2007, 11:29 AM

stay away from tein he's.

Dunkee · 09-24-2007, 01:23 PM

Zeals are the most comfy I've been in..

mr_240sx · 09-24-2007, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

I wonder where one could buy ohlins... and has anyone had a setup like that done for an S13?...

I am storing my car for the winter.. but next spring/summer i will have to get some... my current crap damper setup is garbage...

I am sort of aware of what koni offers... i was told bilstein is even a better bet (bilstein hd vs koni 8611 ? thoughts? not sure what else they have) but the all out would be ohlins?

Thoughts? Aceinhole what is your friend running? I am thinking 8611... still... but whats out there thats even better

pm ghazi on 613driftwerks.com as he purchased his set of ohlins brand new last winter and hes from kanata

*AceInHole* · 09-24-2007, 02:54 PM

For Ohlins, there's no modern app available for the S-chassis. The closest thing seems to be the STi/ Evo setups, but I haven't had a chance to measure the lengths and such to compare. Their older stuff can be found used on occasion, but it seems it's mostly non-adjustable stuff and you can't be 100% sure what they're valved for.

The hot stuff would be Ohlins TTX:

m91silvia · 09-24-2007, 02:57 PM

Ohlins, you'd need to either get those GC or just run springs, right?

Koopa Troopa · 09-24-2007, 03:20 PM

The Cusco Zero2's on my 180 were really nice, the Cusco Zero 1's on my friend's EG6 are even better and I love everything Gab has put out.

Wiisass · 09-24-2007, 04:09 PM

PJ, the ohlins japan website says something about an S-chassis application. But there isn't much info and the heading for the section is a picture so it won't translate the words on it. So it seems something is available, but who knows on the adjustability and valving. But that's all I know on it.

But whoever said 52mm piston, I find that a little hard to believe. What part of the damper are they measuring to get 52mm? I doubt it's the piston itself? If it is, then that thing is going to be huge. With a 52mm piston and at minimum 3mm walls on the shock body, sleeve bearings and strut housing, you're looking at a diameter of at least 70mm overall, so when you throw in spring seat design and all the threads and all that needs to be done, you're running at least 3" ID springs on there, which would call for some big springs and that would cut down a lot on wheel clearance.

The comfort thing still comes down to the valving. You look at AceinHole's car with 11kg/mm springs on it and it's not harsh. And so far the only japanese offering that can come close is the Flex's with much softer springs. It just shows that it's not the spring rate that will contribute to the harshness, it's the valving. And proper valving will also get rid of a lot of the harshness because it's bad for grip.

But I wonder how far the Evo/sti stuff is. Because they have some cool offerings out there for them. But that would be for another thread.

Who said flex's were dyno proven? Where is this dyno plot?

As far as the original poster, I'd bet that all the options he listed were made in the same place with roughly the same valving. So pick the cheapest. But you're probably better off with good shocks and springs, but we all know that's not going to happen.

And whoever brought up Bilstein versus Koni, hopefully we'll be finding out soon enough. Once I get the Bilstein setup valved properly, Aceinhole and I are talking about having a little shootout to see how they compare. Maybe through in some of the hyped JDM crap as well and see what happens.

a_ahmed · 09-24-2007, 04:27 PM

man keep me up to date.

Oh and i emailed ohlin just fyi, lets see if they respond and with what...

I want to copy aceinhole's setup except for an s13 lol... otherwise if better, a bilstein setup and well if something even better than ohlins :P hehe, but i am sold on aceinhole's setup its bloody marvelous... insanely awesome car

I don't want to be lazy and get stance gr+pro... I rather spend some more and have something prime

Sniff sniff :'( car goes in garage officially this/next week

atom · 09-24-2007, 07:19 PM

I was SOOOO close to getting a set used off yahoo jp last year. If you get the shocks fron Ohlins Japan, Ohlins USA can probably rebuild them from what they told me. They won't do anything about trying to get you a set though. I don't know too much about the JDM Ohlins except that they are 46mm piston and they recommend 8k/6k for the springs.

09-21-2007, 02:39 PM	#31
xplicit240 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Weird NJ! Age: 39 Posts: 723 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well i have the greddy type s coil overs. i daily my car. perfect for me. it can ride soft and you can track it. one of my other friends uses it on his s13 also. __________________

09-21-2007, 04:15 PM	#32
DP_Michelle G Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Anaheim/OC Age: 41 Posts: 666 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^There the same as the megans made in the same factory in china just like the apexi coils. __________________ BC RACING COILOVER REVIEW

09-21-2007, 04:44 PM	#34
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Just weld the shock. Your car will be stuff and you'll be the coolest kid on the block. __________________

09-21-2007, 11:51 PM	#38
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	I'm getting ready to get a set of Ohlins for my suby. Another coilover that feels good once setup properly is Tein Super Drifts. __________________

09-22-2007, 06:21 PM	#41
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Like I said, coilovers set to full stiff are about as helpful as a welded stock shock. __________________

09-21-2007, 05:18 PM	#35
93SECoupe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 35 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I suggest you get KW Variant 3 coilovers if you have the budget and you want quality German engineering. They come with progressive springs which are 6k/4k. I have them on my car and the ride is better than stock.

09-22-2007, 04:35 PM	#39
240sxdreaming Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cokeland Posts: 9 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	shit, thats a funny one. comferatable and COILOVERS in the same sentence. hahah. but i guess you can have both if you want. i like them supper stiff so the girls TITIES bounce when shes in your ride. GET SOME STIFF ONES YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

09-22-2007, 09:06 PM	#42
az_240 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phx Posts: 3,097 Trader Rating: (41) Feedback Score: 41 reviews	tein flexes are the way to go if you want a comfortable coilover. thats all anyone needs to know.

09-22-2007, 10:40 PM	#44
hung12848 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vegas Age: 48 Posts: 43 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Friend of mine had about 10 240sx's in his warehouse and the one i had ride on for the best comfort are the TEIN FLEX doesnt really feel like riding on the Coilover!!! also HKS hyper 2 are pretty good as well will cost alot but TOP brand doesnt make difference. if your budget are over 1500 then HKS, any below i will pick Stance gs pro+ will im using Stance rite now little bit stiff but better performace than Tein in Touge, DD, and Drift

09-23-2007, 10:28 AM	#46
KA24DESOneThree Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SD County SoCal Age: 38 Posts: 2,554 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: KA24DESOneThree Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Coilovers were not designed to make for a stiff ride, nor were they designed to be able to slam the car as low as possible so you look baller. They were designed to allow adjustable ride height for different tracks and to allow cornerweighting for optimal balance. As for grip guys wanting soft springs, exactly the opposite is true. We need stiff springs to keep us off our tires. What we want, though, has already been said and that is a proper damper with correct valving. A good damper will make an 11kg spring rate feel heavenly with no harshness. My BMW is running on H&R Race springs and nearly blown Bilstein Sports and the ride quality is worse than my S13 with KTS coilovers and spherical bearings everywhere.

09-24-2007, 09:55 AM	#48
m91silvia Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: C'd Alene Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have PBM.. i can tell you not to get those if you want a 'comfortable' coilover. I personally thought megans were pretty decently comfortable on the softest setting. haven't driven/rode on any more expensive coils yet.

09-24-2007, 11:04 AM	#49
a_ahmed BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 749 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: a_ahmed Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wonder where one could buy ohlins... and has anyone had a setup like that done for an S13?... I am storing my car for the winter.. but next spring/summer i will have to get some... my current crap damper setup is garbage... I am sort of aware of what koni offers... i was told bilstein is even a better bet (bilstein hd vs koni 8611 ? thoughts? not sure what else they have) but the all out would be ohlins? Thoughts? Aceinhole what is your friend running? I am thinking 8611... still... but whats out there thats even better

09-24-2007, 11:29 AM	#52
DJ_Sunrise Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NJ Age: 37 Posts: 1,134 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	stay away from tein he's.

09-24-2007, 01:23 PM	#53
Dunkee Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NJ Age: 45 Posts: 848 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Zeals are the most comfy I've been in.. __________________ 96 SE http://www.cardomain.com/ride/255381

09-24-2007, 02:54 PM	#55
AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 43 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	For Ohlins, there's no modern app available for the S-chassis. The closest thing seems to be the STi/ Evo setups, but I haven't had a chance to measure the lengths and such to compare. Their older stuff can be found used on occasion, but it seems it's mostly non-adjustable stuff and you can't be 100% sure what they're valved for. The hot stuff would be Ohlins TTX: __________________

09-24-2007, 02:57 PM	#56
m91silvia Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: C'd Alene Posts: 51 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ohlins, you'd need to either get those GC or just run springs, right?

09-24-2007, 03:20 PM	#57
Koopa Troopa Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 北谷著, 沖縄県、日本 Posts: 2,565 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	The Cusco Zero2's on my 180 were really nice, the Cusco Zero 1's on my friend's EG6 are even better and I love everything Gab has put out. __________________ Buy my Stillway shifter!

09-24-2007, 04:09 PM	#58
Wiisass Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philly Posts: 486 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	PJ, the ohlins japan website says something about an S-chassis application. But there isn't much info and the heading for the section is a picture so it won't translate the words on it. So it seems something is available, but who knows on the adjustability and valving. But that's all I know on it. But whoever said 52mm piston, I find that a little hard to believe. What part of the damper are they measuring to get 52mm? I doubt it's the piston itself? If it is, then that thing is going to be huge. With a 52mm piston and at minimum 3mm walls on the shock body, sleeve bearings and strut housing, you're looking at a diameter of at least 70mm overall, so when you throw in spring seat design and all the threads and all that needs to be done, you're running at least 3" ID springs on there, which would call for some big springs and that would cut down a lot on wheel clearance. The comfort thing still comes down to the valving. You look at AceinHole's car with 11kg/mm springs on it and it's not harsh. And so far the only japanese offering that can come close is the Flex's with much softer springs. It just shows that it's not the spring rate that will contribute to the harshness, it's the valving. And proper valving will also get rid of a lot of the harshness because it's bad for grip. But I wonder how far the Evo/sti stuff is. Because they have some cool offerings out there for them. But that would be for another thread. Who said flex's were dyno proven? Where is this dyno plot? As far as the original poster, I'd bet that all the options he listed were made in the same place with roughly the same valving. So pick the cheapest. But you're probably better off with good shocks and springs, but we all know that's not going to happen. And whoever brought up Bilstein versus Koni, hopefully we'll be finding out soon enough. Once I get the Bilstein setup valved properly, Aceinhole and I are talking about having a little shootout to see how they compare. Maybe through in some of the hyped JDM crap as well and see what happens. __________________ TIP Engineering R/T Tuning Drift and RWD Sport DriftAssNation

09-24-2007, 04:27 PM	#59
a_ahmed BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 749 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: a_ahmed Feedback Score: 0 reviews	man keep me up to date. Oh and i emailed ohlin just fyi, lets see if they respond and with what... I want to copy aceinhole's setup except for an s13 lol... otherwise if better, a bilstein setup and well if something even better than ohlins :P hehe, but i am sold on aceinhole's setup its bloody marvelous... insanely awesome car I don't want to be lazy and get stance gr+pro... I rather spend some more and have something prime Sniff sniff :'( car goes in garage officially this/next week

09-24-2007, 07:19 PM	#60
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I was SOOOO close to getting a set used off yahoo jp last year. If you get the shocks fron Ohlins Japan, Ohlins USA can probably rebuild them from what they told me. They won't do anything about trying to get you a set though. I don't know too much about the JDM Ohlins except that they are 46mm piston and they recommend 8k/6k for the springs.