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upSLIDEdown · 06-07-2005, 03:11 PM

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What are everyones thoughts on mismatched coilovers (front/rear of course). I found a deal on a pair of Apex'i N1s for the front and and pair of Tein HAs for the rear. The N1s are the older version, does anyone know the spring rate for those up front. From what I can find, the HAs are 5kg in the rear. Only thing I was worried about is having the spring rates too far apart (like an 8/5). Is that too much stagger? I know 8/6 is popular. Anyone with any experience or input, please let me know what you think...

Thanks,
Bryan

KiDyNomiTe · 06-07-2005, 03:35 PM

well springrates don't tell all, valving plays a huge role in it. 8/6 HEs compared to 8/7 Silk Roads have a huge difference IMO.

I guess if the price is right it'll be better than stock, but I would plan sooner or later to get a full set.

EDIT: yay 5000 posts

JKim0901 · 06-07-2005, 03:40 PM

i was running tein HEs in front and apex WS in back spring rates 8/5 for like a month, it wasnt that bad to be honest but havent tracked it with that set up and wouldnt want to just beacause im picky like that

upSLIDEdown · 06-07-2005, 03:52 PM

Yeah this is pretty much a street car. I'm running the AGX/Sportline combo right now. They've done what I expected them to do, I just want something a little nicer and mainly something I can go lower with. I wanna be able to sit the car right down on my new wheels/tires (18x8.5/9.5 with 225/245/40). I put an email in to Tein with the # off of the spring to verify the rate and I'm gonna call Apex'i and see if I can verify that rate as well. Thanks for the quick input, keep it coming!

Bryan

asiangento · 06-07-2005, 05:10 PM

i think the old n1s are 8/6.

drift into a curb · 06-07-2005, 05:51 PM

I think the apexi ones say like 8400 or 8600 on them. Should be 8kg/mm

Chernobyl · 06-07-2005, 06:13 PM

i dont see a huge problem with it. I've heard of people running coilovers in front with regular shock/spring combos in back before and they said it drove fine. Couldn't be any worse than that.

upSLIDEdown · 06-07-2005, 07:39 PM

I contacted Apex'i and they said they should be 8k. Tein said according to the number I gave them (from the spring), they should be 6k. I think the rates will be fine. Anyone else out there ever run mismatched pairs front/rear like this? How did they act? I think any coilovers will be better than my AGX/Sportline combo, just want some input from people with experience with mismatched setups.

Thanks again guys, keep it coming!
Bryan

JKim0901 · 06-07-2005, 10:28 PM

those coilovers sound old, you should check if they are blown before you buy because if they are they will be worst than your agx sportline combo

upSLIDEdown · 06-08-2005, 06:26 AM

Yeah, they are a little older, but according to him, they're in good shape. No leaks or anything of that nature. How would I go about checking to see if they're blown??

Bryan

upSLIDEdown · 06-09-2005, 10:33 AM

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Also, how far down does the piston go on a typical rear coilover (like the HA). One of these has a very small dent in the housing all the way are the bottom. He said when he bought them they were like that and the guy told him the piston never traveled that far down. I'm just curious. He ran them for 3k miles and hasn't had any trouble, so I have no reason to think it will affect anything, just curious.

Bryan

SochBAT · 06-09-2005, 01:06 PM

I personally think it wouldn't work out too well. While they may have the same springrates all around, dampening, adjustability, if its a monotube design, how they sit, etc all change the characteristics of the car itself.

its like wearing one Nike Shox, and one Goodyear shoe. Gets the job done for what its intended for, but the feel, and comfort don't work.

LoanShark · 06-09-2005, 03:14 PM

will Apex'i even rebuild discontinued shocks? I had some Tanabes that I brought back with me from Japan and when they took a shit a while back, Tanabe said they wouldn't be able to rebuild them because they no longer carry the same oil seals and etc.

drift into a curb · 06-09-2005, 08:12 PM

Probably will since the n1 pros are a more popular coilover. I would check with apexi.

ghambino · 06-09-2005, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoanShark

will Apex'i even rebuild discontinued shocks? I had some Tanabes that I brought back with me from Japan and when they took a shit a while back, Tanabe said they wouldn't be able to rebuild them because they no longer carry the same oil seals and etc.

Try taking them to a sportbike shop that works on suspensions for ducatis and other race bikes. I was going to have my JIC Coilovers rebuilt by a bike shop but than found out my shocks were non rebuildable.

upSLIDEdown · 06-09-2005, 09:32 PM

I talked to Apex'i and they said according to the part number, they are some of the original N1s and that they can't rebuild them anymore. Tein quoted me $100/damper for rebuild and turn around time is 2-3 weeks. I guess as long as they aren't blown they'll be fine. Anyone know a relatively easy way I can check to see if they're blown???

Bryan

ghambino · 06-09-2005, 09:43 PM

Yeah, take the top plate and spring off the shock and completely compress the shock. Take note on how fast the shock completely rebounds, if the rod does not come back up at all than they are dead.

upSLIDEdown · 06-09-2005, 09:55 PM

Will I need spring compressors to do that like I had to have to put my sportlines on my AGXs? Sorry for my noobish question (I'm a coilover virgin

)

By the way, both of these pairs of coilovers have helper springs on the bottom. Don't know anything about the first N1s but I didn't realize HA's had helpers. Also, the Tanabe's I've seen with helpers have the helper springs on top, and these are on the bottom...

Bryan

jOeHaCk98 · 06-09-2005, 10:08 PM

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drift into a curb · 06-09-2005, 10:11 PM

Are they the N1 pros? What part number do you have? I'm just hoping they better be able to rebuild mine.

upSLIDEdown · 06-09-2005, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upSLIDEdown

I talked to Apex'i and they said according to the part number, they are some of the original N1s

That's all I know. According to the pic, they just say N1 Damper. I'm guessing this was before different types of N1s, but i dunno.

Any input on the helper springs being on the bottom?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jOeHaCk98

no

I assume this is in response to if I need compressors to get the spring/top plate off. If so, what do I do, just back the perches off all the way?

Thanks again guys!
Bryan

06-07-2005, 03:11 PM	#1
upSLIDEdown Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA.. And for those that keep PMing me asking what kit I have, it's Origin Stream. Posts: 1,730 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Need Quick Responses... NEED QUICK RESPONSES... Scroll down towards bottom for new questions What are everyones thoughts on mismatched coilovers (front/rear of course). I found a deal on a pair of Apex'i N1s for the front and and pair of Tein HAs for the rear. The N1s are the older version, does anyone know the spring rate for those up front. From what I can find, the HAs are 5kg in the rear. Only thing I was worried about is having the spring rates too far apart (like an 8/5). Is that too much stagger? I know 8/6 is popular. Anyone with any experience or input, please let me know what you think... Thanks, Bryan __________________ Last edited by upSLIDEdown; 06-10-2005 at 06:17 AM..

06-07-2005, 03:35 PM	#2
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 37 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well springrates don't tell all, valving plays a huge role in it. 8/6 HEs compared to 8/7 Silk Roads have a huge difference IMO. I guess if the price is right it'll be better than stock, but I would plan sooner or later to get a full set. EDIT: yay 5000 posts __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

06-07-2005, 03:52 PM	#4
upSLIDEdown Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA.. And for those that keep PMing me asking what kit I have, it's Origin Stream. Posts: 1,730 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Yeah this is pretty much a street car. I'm running the AGX/Sportline combo right now. They've done what I expected them to do, I just want something a little nicer and mainly something I can go lower with. I wanna be able to sit the car right down on my new wheels/tires (18x8.5/9.5 with 225/245/40). I put an email in to Tein with the # off of the spring to verify the rate and I'm gonna call Apex'i and see if I can verify that rate as well. Thanks for the quick input, keep it coming! Bryan __________________

06-07-2005, 05:51 PM	#6
drift into a curb Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 2,870 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I think the apexi ones say like 8400 or 8600 on them. Should be 8kg/mm __________________ Go big or go home!

06-07-2005, 07:39 PM	#8
upSLIDEdown Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA.. And for those that keep PMing me asking what kit I have, it's Origin Stream. Posts: 1,730 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I contacted Apex'i and they said they should be 8k. Tein said according to the number I gave them (from the spring), they should be 6k. I think the rates will be fine. Anyone else out there ever run mismatched pairs front/rear like this? How did they act? I think any coilovers will be better than my AGX/Sportline combo, just want some input from people with experience with mismatched setups. Thanks again guys, keep it coming! Bryan __________________

06-07-2005, 03:40 PM	#3
JKim0901 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Irvine Age: 41 Posts: 1,273 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	i was running tein HEs in front and apex WS in back spring rates 8/5 for like a month, it wasnt that bad to be honest but havent tracked it with that set up and wouldnt want to just beacause im picky like that

06-07-2005, 05:10 PM	#5
asiangento Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Santa Ana Age: 39 Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	i think the old n1s are 8/6.

06-07-2005, 06:13 PM	#7
Chernobyl Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, CO Age: 41 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	i dont see a huge problem with it. I've heard of people running coilovers in front with regular shock/spring combos in back before and they said it drove fine. Couldn't be any worse than that.

06-07-2005, 10:28 PM	#9
JKim0901 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Irvine Age: 41 Posts: 1,273 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	those coilovers sound old, you should check if they are blown before you buy because if they are they will be worst than your agx sportline combo

06-08-2005, 06:26 AM	#10
upSLIDEdown Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA.. And for those that keep PMing me asking what kit I have, it's Origin Stream. Posts: 1,730 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Yeah, they are a little older, but according to him, they're in good shape. No leaks or anything of that nature. How would I go about checking to see if they're blown?? Bryan __________________

06-09-2005, 10:33 AM	#11
upSLIDEdown Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA.. And for those that keep PMing me asking what kit I have, it's Origin Stream. Posts: 1,730 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	BUMP for more input... Also, how far down does the piston go on a typical rear coilover (like the HA). One of these has a very small dent in the housing all the way are the bottom. He said when he bought them they were like that and the guy told him the piston never traveled that far down. I'm just curious. He ran them for 3k miles and hasn't had any trouble, so I have no reason to think it will affect anything, just curious. Bryan __________________

06-09-2005, 01:06 PM	#12
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 38 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I personally think it wouldn't work out too well. While they may have the same springrates all around, dampening, adjustability, if its a monotube design, how they sit, etc all change the characteristics of the car itself. its like wearing one Nike Shox, and one Goodyear shoe. Gets the job done for what its intended for, but the feel, and comfort don't work.

06-09-2005, 03:14 PM	#13
LoanShark Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N/A Age: 42 Posts: 182 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	will Apex'i even rebuild discontinued shocks? I had some Tanabes that I brought back with me from Japan and when they took a shit a while back, Tanabe said they wouldn't be able to rebuild them because they no longer carry the same oil seals and etc.

06-09-2005, 08:12 PM	#14
drift into a curb Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 2,870 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Probably will since the n1 pros are a more popular coilover. I would check with apexi. __________________ Go big or go home!

06-09-2005, 09:32 PM	#16
upSLIDEdown Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA.. And for those that keep PMing me asking what kit I have, it's Origin Stream. Posts: 1,730 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I talked to Apex'i and they said according to the part number, they are some of the original N1s and that they can't rebuild them anymore. Tein quoted me $100/damper for rebuild and turn around time is 2-3 weeks. I guess as long as they aren't blown they'll be fine. Anyone know a relatively easy way I can check to see if they're blown??? Bryan __________________

06-09-2005, 09:43 PM	#17
ghambino Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 465 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Yeah, take the top plate and spring off the shock and completely compress the shock. Take note on how fast the shock completely rebounds, if the rod does not come back up at all than they are dead.

06-09-2005, 09:55 PM	#18
upSLIDEdown Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA.. And for those that keep PMing me asking what kit I have, it's Origin Stream. Posts: 1,730 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Will I need spring compressors to do that like I had to have to put my sportlines on my AGXs? Sorry for my noobish question (I'm a coilover virgin ) By the way, both of these pairs of coilovers have helper springs on the bottom. Don't know anything about the first N1s but I didn't realize HA's had helpers. Also, the Tanabe's I've seen with helpers have the helper springs on top, and these are on the bottom... Bryan __________________

06-09-2005, 10:08 PM	#19
jOeHaCk98 Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 730 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	no dfghjkl;' fghjkl;'

06-09-2005, 10:11 PM	#20
drift into a curb Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 2,870 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Are they the N1 pros? What part number do you have? I'm just hoping they better be able to rebuild mine. __________________ Go big or go home!