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mikespeed95 · 10-05-2004, 03:14 AM

who makes them? experiences? prices?

i feel dumb asking this 2nd questino but will somethign for sr work on ka by any chance?

Macadoshus · 10-05-2004, 08:28 AM

To answer your second question, a standalone can be made to work on anything. So KA or SR. They, however, tend to be relatively expensive, at least a grand and going upward quickly depending on how crazy you want to go. Plus, the cost of tuning.

You might want to consider reprogramming your factory ECU, this is generally cheaper and can be good for a considerable amount of power. You might be surprised to learn what the factory ECU is capable of properly tuned.

*Jeff240sx* · 10-05-2004, 10:02 AM

TEC3r, AEM EMS. Those are made and run on many 240s. Then you can wire up any other unit, like Haltec.
-Jeff

Brian W. · 10-05-2004, 12:32 PM

We have had great sucess with the Electromotive units on both KA and SR engines. Tec2 and Tec3. Contact me if you need anymore info.

TheSnail · 10-05-2004, 01:10 PM

You can get a realy nice Motec, that if you have 8,000 to drop. In our buget, <1200$ , I would choose a Haltec. Off ebay, you can find a nice e6k for 800$ un-used, and maybe find a E6x for the same if your lucky.

pr240sx · 10-05-2004, 03:04 PM

Does anybody have tried the following:
Accel DFI
F.A.S.T.

I have seen both in action but want to know everyones opinion.

mikespeed95 · 10-05-2004, 04:03 PM

i have some freinds with haltec and i was mainly wondering if that would work.

and yes i know standalone can be expensive, but im also not a fan of pre-"tuned" ecus. too many variables on different setups to make that work correctly imo.

RBS14 · 10-05-2004, 05:12 PM

I'm going to be running an AEM EMS. Plugs into the stock wiring harness. no wiring. And they pulled 37whp and 45ft/lbs out of a stock twin cam with an intake. I'm down! And they're around $1500.

RedlineRacer · 10-05-2004, 08:50 PM

I have never understood the reason for a standalone. Why not just use a A/F controller, an EGT guage, and a good A/F guage and tune it with that? Its a lot cheaper and easier.

kandyflip445 · 10-05-2004, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedlineRacer

I have never understood the reason for a standalone. Why not just use a A/F controller, an EGT guage, and a good A/F guage and tune it with that? Its a lot cheaper and easier.

Resolution. Driveability. BLING!!!!!

derux · 10-05-2004, 10:55 PM

this is a good one that i have used on a few cars

http://034efi.com/

mikespeed95 · 10-06-2004, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedlineRacer

I have never understood the reason for a standalone. Why not just use a A/F controller, an EGT guage, and a good A/F guage and tune it with that? Its a lot cheaper and easier.

and tune it with what? theres only so much you can do with stock ecu/piggyback.

sideviewcivic · 10-06-2004, 02:33 AM

anyone have experience with the www.sdsefi.com systems. i was looking into picking one up for my KA and goin with crank trigger and map sensors. or even the megasquirt system. ill pay someone to build it for me since i dont have the time to do so. just as soon as i understand all the parameters of the megasquirt system

RedlineRacer · 10-06-2004, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikespeed95

and tune it with what? theres only so much you can do with stock ecu/piggyback.

an a/f controller

RBS14 · 10-06-2004, 11:37 AM

so how are you gonna tune ignition with an a/f controller?

a/f controllers trick your computer, thus making your power curve really jagged and less drivable. standalones do it the right way.

tErbo b00st · 10-06-2004, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedlineRacer

I have never understood the reason for a standalone. Why not just use a A/F controller, an EGT guage, and a good A/F guage and tune it with that? Its a lot cheaper and easier.

Can a S-AFC control a 16x16 fuel map (or up to 32x32)? NOPE
Can a S-AFC control ignition timing? NOPE

The stock ecu is configured for the stock turbo, boost, ect. So while yes, you can fool it to think you are taking in more air, you are doing just that...fooling it on the stock fuel and ignition curve.

On top of that, most standalones come with really cool features such as:
Boost Control
Launch Control
Fan Control
Monitering all engine vitals
Data Logging
ability to tune for BOV venting to atmosphere

A/F controllers are good for cheap tuning, but if you wanna do it right you gotta go standalone.

96twofourty · 10-06-2004, 10:02 PM

sds makes good standalones that are somewhat inexpensive

*Jeff240sx* · 10-06-2004, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tErbo b00st

Can a S-AFC control a 16x16 fuel map ? NOPE
Can a S-AFC control ignition timing? NOPE

Emanage can.
-Jeff

RBS14 · 10-06-2004, 10:17 PM

^^^^

but emanage's are REALLY hard to tune correctly. when greddy made their turbo kit for z33, they had to fly some crazy tuner guy in from japan to tune the emanage for it. I'm not good enough at tuning to do that kind of stuff. I want something that I can learn to tune, even if it takes a lot of time.

phrozen · 10-06-2004, 11:36 PM

rbs14 u have a link where i can read those #'s for that kinda power increase iwth just intake and tuning

RBS14 · 10-06-2004, 11:55 PM

you might have to register, but it only takes a few minutes.

http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=8725

biggest gain was 37rwhp, but maximum power gain was 25rwhp which is awesome. It'll definately make tuning and squeezing every hp out of the n/a setup I hope to build a lot easier.

mikespeed95 · 10-08-2004, 06:22 PM

thats insane. im gonna check out that link. i wonder if its valid.

meme · 10-08-2004, 09:03 PM

Anyone bought the TEC3 ecu from KA24de.com? looking into getting a tec3 and they have the brackets already made.

sideviewcivic · 10-11-2004, 01:49 AM

I read in TPRmag that TEC3 caused alot of EMI problems with sparking to the plugs. TEC3 is overpriced when SDS or megasquirt can do the same for less. Getting a standalone with all the bells and whitsles usually isnt the best choice for a particular application.

MeMe were you going to stay NA or go FI, im curious cuz im wanting to go standlone also, im really interested in that innovate AF controller with 44min capability to record data.

meme · 10-12-2004, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sideviewcivic

I read in TPRmag that TEC3 caused alot of EMI problems with sparking to the plugs. TEC3 is overpriced when SDS or megasquirt can do the same for less. Getting a standalone with all the bells and whitsles usually isnt the best choice for a particular application.

MeMe were you going to stay NA or go FI, im curious cuz im wanting to go standlone also, im really interested in that innovate AF controller with 44min capability to record data.

i already have turbo. i really want to use the megasquirt with the ignition tunning. i just don't know how to put the boards together.

kaje36 · 10-12-2004, 04:43 PM

MicroTech is a farly cheap ECU.. also they seem to be quite a powerfull ECU.. its been a while since i compared.. but they were close to the same features as the EMS.. they even make adapters so you can plug the stock harness into there unit.. thats I knew they did do it for the KA, and yes it does use stock sensors

10-05-2004, 03:14 AM	#1
mikespeed95 Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Age: 40 Posts: 179 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	standalone for ka? who makes them? experiences? prices? i feel dumb asking this 2nd questino but will somethign for sr work on ka by any chance? __________________ i like drift racing

10-05-2004, 10:02 AM	#3
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 41 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	TEC3r, AEM EMS. Those are made and run on many 240s. Then you can wire up any other unit, like Haltec. -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

10-05-2004, 12:32 PM	#4
Brian W. Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 40 Posts: 1,146 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	We have had great sucess with the Electromotive units on both KA and SR engines. Tec2 and Tec3. Contact me if you need anymore info. __________________ www.ma-motorsports.com -Fab work, builds, swaps, dyno tuning

10-05-2004, 03:04 PM	#6
pr240sx Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 627 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	speaking of standalones Does anybody have tried the following: Accel DFI F.A.S.T. I have seen both in action but want to know everyones opinion.

10-05-2004, 04:03 PM	#7
mikespeed95 Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Age: 40 Posts: 179 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have some freinds with haltec and i was mainly wondering if that would work. and yes i know standalone can be expensive, but im also not a fan of pre-"tuned" ecus. too many variables on different setups to make that work correctly imo. __________________ i like drift racing

10-05-2004, 08:28 AM	#2
Macadoshus Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lansdale, PA Age: 43 Posts: 205 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Macadoshus Feedback Score: 0 reviews	To answer your second question, a standalone can be made to work on anything. So KA or SR. They, however, tend to be relatively expensive, at least a grand and going upward quickly depending on how crazy you want to go. Plus, the cost of tuning. You might want to consider reprogramming your factory ECU, this is generally cheaper and can be good for a considerable amount of power. You might be surprised to learn what the factory ECU is capable of properly tuned.

10-05-2004, 01:10 PM	#5
TheSnail Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Marietta Georgia Age: 41 Posts: 2,434 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You can get a realy nice Motec, that if you have 8,000 to drop. In our buget, <1200$ , I would choose a Haltec. Off ebay, you can find a nice e6k for 800$ un-used, and maybe find a E6x for the same if your lucky.

10-05-2004, 05:12 PM	#8
RBS14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Santa Cruz/San Diego Posts: 2,271 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm going to be running an AEM EMS. Plugs into the stock wiring harness. no wiring. And they pulled 37whp and 45ft/lbs out of a stock twin cam with an intake. I'm down! And they're around $1500. __________________

10-05-2004, 08:50 PM	#9
RedlineRacer Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Clemson, South Carolina Age: 39 Posts: 1,054 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have never understood the reason for a standalone. Why not just use a A/F controller, an EGT guage, and a good A/F guage and tune it with that? Its a lot cheaper and easier.

10-05-2004, 10:55 PM	#11
derux Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Grass valley, Ca Age: 46 Posts: 413 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	this is a good one that i have used on a few cars http://034efi.com/

10-06-2004, 02:33 AM	#13
sideviewcivic BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere north of mexico Age: 39 Posts: 356 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	anyone have experience with the www.sdsefi.com systems. i was looking into picking one up for my KA and goin with crank trigger and map sensors. or even the megasquirt system. ill pay someone to build it for me since i dont have the time to do so. just as soon as i understand all the parameters of the megasquirt system

10-06-2004, 11:37 AM	#15
RBS14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Santa Cruz/San Diego Posts: 2,271 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so how are you gonna tune ignition with an a/f controller? a/f controllers trick your computer, thus making your power curve really jagged and less drivable. standalones do it the right way. __________________

10-06-2004, 10:02 PM	#17
96twofourty Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: nor*cal Posts: 354 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sds makes good standalones that are somewhat inexpensive

10-06-2004, 10:17 PM	#19
RBS14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Santa Cruz/San Diego Posts: 2,271 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^^ but emanage's are REALLY hard to tune correctly. when greddy made their turbo kit for z33, they had to fly some crazy tuner guy in from japan to tune the emanage for it. I'm not good enough at tuning to do that kind of stuff. I want something that I can learn to tune, even if it takes a lot of time. __________________

10-06-2004, 11:36 PM	#20
phrozen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,352 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	rbs14 u have a link where i can read those #'s for that kinda power increase iwth just intake and tuning __________________ This box is 400x200: Please do not put your sig pic back if it exceeds this. -Moderation

10-06-2004, 11:55 PM	#21
RBS14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Santa Cruz/San Diego Posts: 2,271 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you might have to register, but it only takes a few minutes. http://forum.aempower.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=8725 biggest gain was 37rwhp, but maximum power gain was 25rwhp which is awesome. It'll definately make tuning and squeezing every hp out of the n/a setup I hope to build a lot easier. __________________

10-08-2004, 06:22 PM	#22
mikespeed95 Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: USA Age: 40 Posts: 179 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thats insane. im gonna check out that link. i wonder if its valid. __________________ i like drift racing

10-08-2004, 09:03 PM	#23
meme Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: glendale,CA Age: 47 Posts: 1,094 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Anyone bought the TEC3 ecu from KA24de.com? looking into getting a tec3 and they have the brackets already made.

10-11-2004, 01:49 AM	#24
sideviewcivic BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere north of mexico Age: 39 Posts: 356 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I read in TPRmag that TEC3 caused alot of EMI problems with sparking to the plugs. TEC3 is overpriced when SDS or megasquirt can do the same for less. Getting a standalone with all the bells and whitsles usually isnt the best choice for a particular application. MeMe were you going to stay NA or go FI, im curious cuz im wanting to go standlone also, im really interested in that innovate AF controller with 44min capability to record data.

10-12-2004, 04:43 PM	#26
kaje36 Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: new hampshire Age: 42 Posts: 149 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	MicroTech is a farly cheap ECU.. also they seem to be quite a powerfull ECU.. its been a while since i compared.. but they were close to the same features as the EMS.. they even make adapters so you can plug the stock harness into there unit.. thats I knew they did do it for the KA, and yes it does use stock sensors