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Yoshi · 02-14-2005, 02:33 PM

First off, I refuse to say this is a S13.5 conversion. That implies that it's S13 and a half... IE S14 front & S13 rear, or vice versa, so from here forward I'll either call it an Ichi-Go conversion, or S13-S15

My eventual goal is to make a progress journal detailed enough that someone else could use it as a tutorial and follow in my footsteps (skipping what mistakes I make hopefully), as I've not seen such a tutorial thus far.

So this weekend I got to the preliminary part of the install, removal of the front end and eyeballing the fenders for fitment. Somewhat dissapointing, but I'm not too bummed, there's still far too much to be experimented with to get negative.

I'd rather not rehash everthing I put in the webpage, you're all literate folk so here's the link

www.360realms.com/S13-S15/
(56k need not apply :P hehee BIG pix!)

FEEDBACK PLEASE!

edit 02-17-05:
Page Updated with Day 2: New part weights, Headlight brackets & CF Hood installed... Fenders: worse that we thought

edit 02-22-05:
Page Updated with Day 3: old parts weights, cutting the S13 radiator support, bracing opinions, hood alignment done!, prelim. light fitment

edit 03-02-05:
Page Updated with Day 5: Defeating the headlight gap, Neatening up the core support cuts, & Hacking off the passenger side headlight mount

edit 03-06-05:
Page Updated with Day 6 and part of Day 7: I have Lights! Guestbook also online! PLEASE SIGN!

edit 03-09-05:

SilviaDriver · 02-14-2005, 02:47 PM

i had the same ordeal with the mounting tabs pointing upward X-degrees. i juss screwed them down and stress them a bit

Yoshi · 02-14-2005, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilviaDriver

i had the same ordeal with the mounting tabs pointing upward X-degrees. i juss screwed them down and stress them a bit

Ah good to know! Thanks!
Were yours as angled as mine?

Sam (Jspec) told me that they're "exact" replicas of the Masa's, which they well may be, but if the Masas are the same way, the problem is just replicated.
How much were yours angled?

SilviaDriver · 02-14-2005, 03:12 PM

definitely less than yours. yours look as if you were to juss screw them down, it would snap or crack a bit

i read somewhere if you heat it up shouldnt you be able to bend it back slightly? i highly doubt Masa were angled like that because i actually never heard of any stories of them being that way. the only problem i hear about Masa is having to sand things down.

i had more of a side problem than that. i had to push and shove a bit and screw them down, only way for them to sit correctly.

kensreliableb18b · 02-14-2005, 03:21 PM

if i were you i wouldnt take chances on fitting the fenders. seeing as though you guys are having problems with the s13.5 fenders, u should contact a person by the name of mike directly at inner circle autoworks (626) 443 5188. im sure he can work something out with you guys.

Yoshi · 02-14-2005, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kensreliableb18b

if i were you i wouldnt take chances on fitting the fenders. seeing as though you guys are having problems with the s13.5 fenders, u should contact a person by the name of mike directly at inner circle autoworks (626) 443 5188. im sure he can work something out with you guys.

Hmm... interesting... have you seen other versions of this? How do you know Mike (so can say who referred me)?

The main problem I see, is that IF they could replace my fenders with properly fitting ones, I'd still have to pay for shipment of them back to IC at the very least, plus however long it takes to ship. It took me almost 6 months to get the ones I have in the first place, and my car is immobile until i'm done. I'd really rather not be without it for another month at least

*sigh* dilemmas dilemmas...

timmybgood · 02-14-2005, 05:11 PM

nice write-up. you should give the heat gun idea a try on part and see if it works, because regardless you'll have to fiberglass on some new tabs or send those fenders back. might as well try it.

aa87 · 02-14-2005, 05:19 PM

Yeah, not sure about fiberglass or anything, but would a heat gun let you bend the tabs? I dont love the S15 front, but the results are gonna be sweet.

Y3llowS14 · 02-14-2005, 05:39 PM

I have the same probelm with mine as well---but mine were from SWATT through speedalliance though. I just used some spacers to fix the problem. The guy that painted my car said that I could have heated up the tab to fix it, but I havent gotten the chance to do it yet.

Yoshi · 02-14-2005, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y3llowS14

I have the same probelm with mine as well---but mine were from SWATT through speedalliance though. I just used some spacers to fix the problem. The guy that painted my car said that I could have heated up the tab to fix it, but I havent gotten the chance to do it yet.

So the consensus is that heating it will help make it more pliable?
I was expecting that since it was a resin, it's pretty much a permanent deal, but i'm HAPPY to be wrong if that's the case! Yay, my heat gun will get it's first productive use! (I've already experimented a lot with melting styrofoam cups into the shapes of small animals... quite the art form really! :P hehee)

Thanks for your feedback everyone, it's already helping me out!

***S14DB*** · 02-14-2005, 07:38 PM

Heating it up to over 95F will make the Resin in the Glass pliable. As long and the resin doesn't turn dark or bubble. They prolly cureved from sitting in a hot warehouse not when they were made.

Siizzzoooo · 02-14-2005, 08:54 PM

If I were you, I would mount the headlights, and hood. U really didnt need to buy the hinges...

I would mount those, center EVERYTHING up, and work the fenders around the headlights and hood. This was the best method for me. It will take a little push and shove, it is the true test to see how those fenders are.

HATchTRICK · 02-14-2005, 09:05 PM

I work with alot of fiberglass. You can simply heat that up with a heat gun and. while it's hot drill and bolt it down.. Dont worry about over heating it. it wont matter cause I'm hoping you gonna re-paint everything again anyways. then just let it cool down and your done. its alot easie than fabbing up wedges or glassing new mount points.

Yoshi · 02-17-2005, 11:34 PM

Page updated with Day 2 work... Day 3 to follow.

Does ANYONE have any info on wiring for the s13-s15 lights? I've found plenty of info for S14-S15, but not S13... I'd REALLY appreciate some help!

Drunk Bastard · 02-18-2005, 12:16 AM

THREAD JACK:

I just completed mine too...

***S14DB*** · 02-18-2005, 12:32 AM

Just take your time and heat up slowly. It make take some time but it will soften right up.

Yoshi · 02-18-2005, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drunk Bastard

THREAD JACK:

I just completed mine too...

OOoo! looks nice!
Okay, questions:
1. S13-S15 or S14-S15?
2. how did you get your fogs in? my IC pipes are in the way

3. what brand fenders did you get? I notice you have some slight gap tween the fenders and the hoods as well.
4. if you're S13, could you please, Please, PLEASE hook me up with your headlight wiring info!
5. NICE Garage! (guess that's not a question)

Drunk Bastard · 02-18-2005, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshi

OOoo! looks nice!
Okay, questions:
1. S13-S15 or S14-S15?
2. how did you get your fogs in? my IC pipes are in the way

3. what brand fenders did you get? I notice you have some slight gap tween the fenders and the hoods as well.
4. if you're S13, could you please, Please, PLEASE hook me up with your headlight wiring info!
5. NICE Garage! (guess that's not a question)

thanks!
1.S14
2.OEM fogs into an OEM bumper. They snapped, then bolted right up. No IC Pipes yet, so fitment wasn't an issue.
3.Inner Circle Fenders. The fenders fit good, but all the edges, particularly by the hood, are messed up. That's why they look further apart than they really are. I bought them like that, but will repair and paint them in the future. I think that the Inner Circle fenders are really good, but I still dont like fiberglass.
4.I could still probly hook you up with a wiring diagram anyways, not too hard to figure out. I'll find an S13 wiring diagram then figure it out. PM me
5.thanks

Yoshi · 02-22-2005, 12:27 PM

Day 3 is 90% online (have to plug in weights yet of old parts)

Does ANYONE have a wiring schematic for the S13-S15 lights?

the head · 02-22-2005, 12:45 PM

get me a pic of the rear of the light i can make a schemetic

just a quick to make sure projector is low beam right?

Var · 02-22-2005, 12:50 PM

Damn Joe it's looking real sweet. I hope i'll see you at the track in March.

Yoshi · 02-23-2005, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the head

get me a pic of the rear of the light i can make a schemetic

just a quick to make sure projector is low beam right?

Yes the projector is the low beam.

S15 Headlight plug pix:
http://www.360realms.com/S13-S15/S15...s/DCP_0442.JPG
http://www.360realms.com/S13-S15/S15...s/DCP_0443.JPG
http://www.360realms.com/S13-S15/S15...s/DCP_0444.JPG
http://www.360realms.com/S13-S15/S15...s/DCP_0445.JPG

Also, website updated with Day 3
www.360realms.com/S13-S15/

the head · 02-23-2005, 12:43 PM

Ok for the low beam connect the green wire in the lower plug to the low beam power side to the left side of your three prong s13 plug

high beam power goes to the to the left pin (closest to center) from the right side of the three prong S13 headlight plug

now the only thing left is the ground just run two wires into the center of the s13 plug and hook them to the other side of each bulb

as for the turn signals just run the wires up from your bumper markers and hook them in should be fairly simple

I may have the high and low beam wires on the s13 plug swapped around I am on the road right now and will be away from my car for a few weeks

just hook it up and worse case swap the power wires around if the wrong light illuminates

Yoshi · 03-02-2005, 12:39 PM

Page updated! =)

oberkill · 03-05-2005, 08:58 PM

Yoshi,

I got my S15 conversion stuff today. I also have the IC fenders and they are exactly the same as yours. The passenger side doesnt look too bad but the driverside is way off. I bought the conversion off someone else who bought it for their car then decided not to do the swap. So I didnt choose any of the parts... lol Looks like its just going to take some patience and time to make the fenders fit but they are farther off then I expected. I will take some pics and post them as well. I think the Masa fenders have similar issues so the IC fenders are probably the better way to go. Make sure you post your wiring up!

Thanks for your pics, makes my life easier! lol

Alan

drift freaq · 03-06-2005, 02:59 AM

go go ichi go yo yo Yoshi oh hahahhahhahaha looking good drunk and Yoshi keep it up man

Yoshi · 03-07-2005, 02:33 AM

Ok, I've got all my lights wired up EXCEPT for the turn signals.. .I'm just lost on those, can anyone help?

Drunk Bastard · 03-07-2005, 04:09 AM

the turn signals are pretty much straight forward. they share a ground with the parking bulbs and the connector on the headlight itself is a 3 pin. what you will need to do is cut the turn signal harness on your car (for the front turns, not for the side ones) and use spade connectors to connect them to the actual connectors on the headlights. if you follow the wires from the turn signal's bulb you will be able to tell which pin on the connector to hook it up to. of course you will need to wrap any exposed wires in electrical tape, etc. if/when you hook up your sidemarkers, then you will use the side turn signals for those.

hope that helps.

Yoshi · 03-07-2005, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drunk Bastard

the turn signals are pretty much straight forward. they share a ground with the parking bulbs and the connector on the headlight itself is a 3 pin. what you will need to do is cut the turn signal harness on your car (for the front turns, not for the side ones) and use spade connectors to connect them to the actual connectors on the headlights. if you follow the wires from the turn signal's bulb you will be able to tell which pin on the connector to hook it up to. of course you will need to wrap any exposed wires in electrical tape, etc. if/when you hook up your sidemarkers, then you will use the side turn signals for those.

hope that helps.

I'll get pix up later, but what you're saying is actually exactly what I've done... I only have 2 wires left, I thought, "well by process of elimination, obviously these go together" apparently not. I have the city lights and blinkers sharing a ground, same harness and all, should've been straight forward but no.

I even wired the blinkers to the city lights to make sure the bulbs worked, and sure enough, they're just fine, they just won't BLINK! I'll try to get some pix of the actual wiring tonight.

JaeTea · 03-07-2005, 12:54 PM

Wow, I'm really impressed by your work.

Since I've never done bodywork, how the hell are you supposed to get those fenders to line up??

02-14-2005, 02:33 PM	#1
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 47 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yoshi's Ichi-Go Install... First off, I refuse to say this is a S13.5 conversion. That implies that it's S13 and a half... IE S14 front & S13 rear, or vice versa, so from here forward I'll either call it an Ichi-Go conversion, or S13-S15 My eventual goal is to make a progress journal detailed enough that someone else could use it as a tutorial and follow in my footsteps (skipping what mistakes I make hopefully), as I've not seen such a tutorial thus far. So this weekend I got to the preliminary part of the install, removal of the front end and eyeballing the fenders for fitment. Somewhat dissapointing, but I'm not too bummed, there's still far too much to be experimented with to get negative. I'd rather not rehash everthing I put in the webpage, you're all literate folk so here's the link www.360realms.com/S13-S15/ (56k need not apply :P hehee BIG pix!) FEEDBACK PLEASE! edit 02-17-05: Page Updated with Day 2: New part weights, Headlight brackets & CF Hood installed... Fenders: worse that we thought edit 02-22-05: Page Updated with Day 3: old parts weights, cutting the S13 radiator support, bracing opinions, hood alignment done!, prelim. light fitment edit 03-02-05: Page Updated with Day 5: Defeating the headlight gap, Neatening up the core support cuts, & Hacking off the passenger side headlight mount edit 03-06-05: Page Updated with Day 6 and part of Day 7: I have Lights! Guestbook also online! PLEASE SIGN! edit 03-09-05: __________________ www.360realms.com/S13-S15

02-14-2005, 05:11 PM	#7
timmybgood Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: central ohio Age: 40 Posts: 229 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	nice write-up. you should give the heat gun idea a try on part and see if it works, because regardless you'll have to fiberglass on some new tabs or send those fenders back. might as well try it. __________________ 1995 SE

02-14-2005, 08:54 PM	#12
Siizzzoooo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Murfreesboro,TN Posts: 1,355 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If I were you, I would mount the headlights, and hood. U really didnt need to buy the hinges... I would mount those, center EVERYTHING up, and work the fenders around the headlights and hood. This was the best method for me. It will take a little push and shove, it is the true test to see how those fenders are. __________________ 2004 Honda S2000 NFR \| 2007 Acura TL CBP \| Project *Coming Soon*

02-22-2005, 12:45 PM	#20
the head Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: in a dark room mastering the art of typing with one hand Posts: 2,164 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	get me a pic of the rear of the light i can make a schemetic just a quick to make sure projector is low beam right? __________________ I never knew you could do that with an eggplant

02-22-2005, 12:50 PM	#21
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 42 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Damn Joe it's looking real sweet. I hope i'll see you at the track in March. __________________ Hi

02-14-2005, 02:47 PM	#2
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 39 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	i had the same ordeal with the mounting tabs pointing upward X-degrees. i juss screwed them down and stress them a bit

02-14-2005, 03:12 PM	#4
SilviaDriver Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 39 Posts: 5,514 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: SilviaDriver Feedback Score: 2 reviews	definitely less than yours. yours look as if you were to juss screw them down, it would snap or crack a bit i read somewhere if you heat it up shouldnt you be able to bend it back slightly? i highly doubt Masa were angled like that because i actually never heard of any stories of them being that way. the only problem i hear about Masa is having to sand things down. i had more of a side problem than that. i had to push and shove a bit and screw them down, only way for them to sit correctly.

02-14-2005, 03:21 PM	#5
kensreliableb18b Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: so cal - 626, 909, 562 and 949. 818 if i feel like running away Posts: 945 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	if i were you i wouldnt take chances on fitting the fenders. seeing as though you guys are having problems with the s13.5 fenders, u should contact a person by the name of mike directly at inner circle autoworks (626) 443 5188. im sure he can work something out with you guys.

02-14-2005, 05:19 PM	#8
aa87 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Shreveport, LA Age: 36 Posts: 1,116 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yeah, not sure about fiberglass or anything, but would a heat gun let you bend the tabs? I dont love the S15 front, but the results are gonna be sweet.

02-14-2005, 05:39 PM	#9
Y3llowS14 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Alabama Age: 39 Posts: 258 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have the same probelm with mine as well---but mine were from SWATT through speedalliance though. I just used some spacers to fix the problem. The guy that painted my car said that I could have heated up the tab to fix it, but I havent gotten the chance to do it yet.

02-14-2005, 07:38 PM	#11
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Heating it up to over 95F will make the Resin in the Glass pliable. As long and the resin doesn't turn dark or bubble. They prolly cureved from sitting in a hot warehouse not when they were made.

02-14-2005, 09:05 PM	#13
HATchTRICK Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 218 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I work with alot of fiberglass. You can simply heat that up with a heat gun and. while it's hot drill and bolt it down.. Dont worry about over heating it. it wont matter cause I'm hoping you gonna re-paint everything again anyways. then just let it cool down and your done. its alot easie than fabbing up wedges or glassing new mount points.

02-17-2005, 11:34 PM	#14
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 47 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Page updated with Day 2 work... Day 3 to follow. Does ANYONE have any info on wiring for the s13-s15 lights? I've found plenty of info for S14-S15, but not S13... I'd REALLY appreciate some help!

02-18-2005, 12:16 AM	#15
Drunk Bastard Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,405 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	THREAD JACK: I just completed mine too...

02-18-2005, 12:32 AM	#16
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Just take your time and heat up slowly. It make take some time but it will soften right up.

02-22-2005, 12:27 PM	#19
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 47 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Day 3 is 90% online (have to plug in weights yet of old parts) Does ANYONE have a wiring schematic for the S13-S15 lights?

02-23-2005, 12:43 PM	#23
the head Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: in a dark room mastering the art of typing with one hand Posts: 2,164 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Ok for the low beam connect the green wire in the lower plug to the low beam power side to the left side of your three prong s13 plug high beam power goes to the to the left pin (closest to center) from the right side of the three prong S13 headlight plug now the only thing left is the ground just run two wires into the center of the s13 plug and hook them to the other side of each bulb as for the turn signals just run the wires up from your bumper markers and hook them in should be fairly simple I may have the high and low beam wires on the s13 plug swapped around I am on the road right now and will be away from my car for a few weeks just hook it up and worse case swap the power wires around if the wrong light illuminates __________________ I never knew you could do that with an eggplant

03-02-2005, 12:39 PM	#24
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 47 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Page updated! =)

03-05-2005, 08:58 PM	#25
oberkill Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 314 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: oberkill Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yoshi, I got my S15 conversion stuff today. I also have the IC fenders and they are exactly the same as yours. The passenger side doesnt look too bad but the driverside is way off. I bought the conversion off someone else who bought it for their car then decided not to do the swap. So I didnt choose any of the parts... lol Looks like its just going to take some patience and time to make the fenders fit but they are farther off then I expected. I will take some pics and post them as well. I think the Masa fenders have similar issues so the IC fenders are probably the better way to go. Make sure you post your wiring up! Thanks for your pics, makes my life easier! lol Alan __________________ http://www.project240.com

03-06-2005, 02:59 AM	#26
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,562 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	go go ichi go yo yo Yoshi oh hahahhahhahaha looking good drunk and Yoshi keep it up man __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

03-07-2005, 02:33 AM	#27
Yoshi Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Washington Age: 47 Posts: 3,003 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: Yoshi Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ok, I've got all my lights wired up EXCEPT for the turn signals.. .I'm just lost on those, can anyone help?

03-07-2005, 04:09 AM	#28
Drunk Bastard Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,405 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	the turn signals are pretty much straight forward. they share a ground with the parking bulbs and the connector on the headlight itself is a 3 pin. what you will need to do is cut the turn signal harness on your car (for the front turns, not for the side ones) and use spade connectors to connect them to the actual connectors on the headlights. if you follow the wires from the turn signal's bulb you will be able to tell which pin on the connector to hook it up to. of course you will need to wrap any exposed wires in electrical tape, etc. if/when you hook up your sidemarkers, then you will use the side turn signals for those. hope that helps.

03-07-2005, 12:54 PM	#30
JaeTea Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: EC Posts: 967 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: JaeTea Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Wow, I'm really impressed by your work. Since I've never done bodywork, how the hell are you supposed to get those fenders to line up?? __________________ KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!