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khilgers · 09-06-2006, 05:19 PM

I am starting on my swap soon and I had some concerns about removing the clutch dampner. I have all the parts here, I'm just wondering if there are any side effects to removing it. I know the positive side of removing it is becuase it tends to trap air bubbles in the system, rendering the clutch so it doens't engage. Are there any bad sides to removing it, pedal feel, proper engagement? Help me out if you can.

Slidin240Wayz · 09-06-2006, 06:23 PM

Only positive side effects. Do it!

Carlos

g6civcx · 09-06-2006, 06:47 PM

There is no problem with engagement. If anything, it helps the engagement since there is less line to go through and less likely to trap air.

I prefer the feel. It feels a little more solid. With the damper it's just sloppy, but apparently the guy in the other thread doesn't like it. It's all preference.

speedstar01 · 09-06-2006, 06:48 PM

just do it...nike

but seriously carlos is correct do away with that dampaner!

drifter808 · 09-06-2006, 08:10 PM

again all personal preferance

Irukandji · 09-06-2006, 08:21 PM

take it out. easy to bleed, better pedal feel, takes 5 minutes.

HalveBlue · 09-06-2006, 11:09 PM

Clutch pedal response will be stiffer and vibrate somewhat more.

Whether that's a good or bad thing is subjective.

I like the feel better. Plus, it makes bleeding the clutch a hell of a lot easier. Well worth it, in my opinion.

trsilvias13 · 09-06-2006, 11:49 PM

side effect is if you do not know how to do it right. You have to bend the hardline back toward the slave and if you mess up.. sucks...

just buy a ss line from m/c to slave from taka. It is pretty cheap already.

drift freaq · 09-07-2006, 12:39 AM

You might feel a little pedal vibration at higher RPMs. Thats about it. Nissan put the dampner in just to eliminate the chance of pedal vibration from the clutch at higher rpm shifts. There are no negative side effects and it makes the clutch system a hell of a lot easier to bleed without it. I prefer it taken out as well.

khilgers · 09-07-2006, 05:04 AM

I already have the new hardline and a stainless nismo soft line. Any suggestions for bending? I read a write up about it and the guy used a couple open end wrenches. Are there any type of pipe benders out there specifically for this, just to lessen the chance of kinking the hard line?

FinalDrive · 09-07-2006, 07:52 AM

Use flare nut wrenches, not open ends since they are made for jobs like this. I doubt there are any special pipe benders

broken240sx · 09-07-2006, 08:00 AM

The stock lines are pretty strong, I bent them into submission with my fingers and never had a problem (and the clutch line got a lil bent out of shape when I pulled it from its original home too). I think there are small pipe benders out there, try a hardware store. And definitely lose the damper for simplicity's sake.

Also, you might replace the slave while at it (27$ at pep boys). Mr. slave can leave you stranded...

For bleeding-- I use the tube and cup brake bleeder kit from the auto parts shop. I've been able to bleed the clutch alone without a speed bleeder, just follow your FSM -- and definitely go and buy a 10mm flare wrench, otherwise you will strip the fittings and have to use a vicegrip to get them unthreaded...

fromxtor · 10-11-2006, 06:25 AM

Btw heres the walkthrough fro doing it

http://garage.projectraine.com/ goto garage guides page 2 its there.

!Zar! · 10-11-2006, 10:33 AM

There isn't a need for a pipe bender. Just curve it in multiple spots. The only part that is annoying is attempting to get the hardline lined up to screw it in.

Takes about ten minutes, and that's including jack+stands.

Once installed, bleed your clutch through the slave cylinder.

Took me about a week to get use to the vibration. Because I kept thinking I had air in my lines.

Jung918 · 10-11-2006, 11:03 AM

I use a pipe bender at work. We only use it to get the general shape and then just tweak it with our hands to fit the fittings.

Nuisance Crew · 10-11-2006, 12:19 PM

Just use a 10mm union in place of the dampner, done.

g6civcx · 10-12-2006, 05:04 AM

Use a Taka Motorsports line and throw away all the stock parts.

bigflip · 11-25-2006, 06:00 PM

I would like to say thanks to Zilvia forum it help me fix my clutch problem.Also thanks to projectraine.com for a picture detail on how to do it.I like to see the project at task before i mess something up.

09-06-2006, 05:19 PM	#1
khilgers Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Twin Cities Age: 44 Posts: 893 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: khilgers Feedback Score: 0 reviews	removing clutch dampner, any negative side effects? I am starting on my swap soon and I had some concerns about removing the clutch dampner. I have all the parts here, I'm just wondering if there are any side effects to removing it. I know the positive side of removing it is becuase it tends to trap air bubbles in the system, rendering the clutch so it doens't engage. Are there any bad sides to removing it, pedal feel, proper engagement? Help me out if you can.

09-06-2006, 06:23 PM	#2
Slidin240Wayz Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Everywhere Age: 40 Posts: 5,427 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Only positive side effects. Do it! Carlos __________________ Support Zilvia by purchasing a sticker!

09-06-2006, 08:10 PM	#5
drifter808 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Big Island Age: 36 Posts: 829 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: drifter808 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	again all personal preferance __________________

09-07-2006, 12:39 AM	#9
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,564 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	You might feel a little pedal vibration at higher RPMs. Thats about it. Nissan put the dampner in just to eliminate the chance of pedal vibration from the clutch at higher rpm shifts. There are no negative side effects and it makes the clutch system a hell of a lot easier to bleed without it. I prefer it taken out as well. __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

10-11-2006, 06:25 AM	#13
fromxtor Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NC Age: 44 Posts: 3,012 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	Btw heres the walkthrough fro doing it http://garage.projectraine.com/ goto garage guides page 2 its there. __________________ Seller feedback>>http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...light=fromxtor

09-06-2006, 06:47 PM	#3
g6civcx Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 5,764 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	There is no problem with engagement. If anything, it helps the engagement since there is less line to go through and less likely to trap air. I prefer the feel. It feels a little more solid. With the damper it's just sloppy, but apparently the guy in the other thread doesn't like it. It's all preference.

09-06-2006, 06:48 PM	#4
speedstar01 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NY! Posts: 389 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just do it...nike but seriously carlos is correct do away with that dampaner!

09-06-2006, 08:21 PM	#6
Irukandji Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Compton Posts: 4,268 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	take it out. easy to bleed, better pedal feel, takes 5 minutes.

09-06-2006, 11:09 PM	#7
HalveBlue Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am! Posts: 1,549 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Clutch pedal response will be stiffer and vibrate somewhat more. Whether that's a good or bad thing is subjective. I like the feel better. Plus, it makes bleeding the clutch a hell of a lot easier. Well worth it, in my opinion.

09-06-2006, 11:49 PM	#8
trsilvias13 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,995 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	side effect is if you do not know how to do it right. You have to bend the hardline back toward the slave and if you mess up.. sucks... just buy a ss line from m/c to slave from taka. It is pretty cheap already.

09-07-2006, 05:04 AM	#10
khilgers Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Twin Cities Age: 44 Posts: 893 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: khilgers Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I already have the new hardline and a stainless nismo soft line. Any suggestions for bending? I read a write up about it and the guy used a couple open end wrenches. Are there any type of pipe benders out there specifically for this, just to lessen the chance of kinking the hard line?

09-07-2006, 07:52 AM	#11
FinalDrive Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: GA Posts: 494 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Use flare nut wrenches, not open ends since they are made for jobs like this. I doubt there are any special pipe benders

09-07-2006, 08:00 AM	#12
broken240sx Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new york Posts: 111 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The stock lines are pretty strong, I bent them into submission with my fingers and never had a problem (and the clutch line got a lil bent out of shape when I pulled it from its original home too). I think there are small pipe benders out there, try a hardware store. And definitely lose the damper for simplicity's sake. Also, you might replace the slave while at it (27$ at pep boys). Mr. slave can leave you stranded... For bleeding-- I use the tube and cup brake bleeder kit from the auto parts shop. I've been able to bleed the clutch alone without a speed bleeder, just follow your FSM -- and definitely go and buy a 10mm flare wrench, otherwise you will strip the fittings and have to use a vicegrip to get them unthreaded...

10-11-2006, 10:33 AM	#14
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	There isn't a need for a pipe bender. Just curve it in multiple spots. The only part that is annoying is attempting to get the hardline lined up to screw it in. Takes about ten minutes, and that's including jack+stands. Once installed, bleed your clutch through the slave cylinder. Took me about a week to get use to the vibration. Because I kept thinking I had air in my lines. __________________

10-11-2006, 11:03 AM	#15
Jung918 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CA Posts: 3,203 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I use a pipe bender at work. We only use it to get the general shape and then just tweak it with our hands to fit the fittings. __________________ Sale: Hello Kitty Horn Button S14 Rear Valences K.Y. Gordon the Thief (Tony Chen)

10-11-2006, 12:19 PM	#16
Nuisance Crew Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just use a 10mm union in place of the dampner, done.

10-12-2006, 05:04 AM	#17
g6civcx Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 5,764 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Use a Taka Motorsports line and throw away all the stock parts.

11-25-2006, 06:00 PM	#18
bigflip Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Age: 60 Posts: 33 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would like to say thanks to Zilvia forum it help me fix my clutch problem.Also thanks to projectraine.com for a picture detail on how to do it.I like to see the project at task before i mess something up.