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TKfoshori · 11-10-2006, 10:13 PM

I have spl tie rod spacers, s14 inner tie rods, and kazama s14 tie rod ends on my s13. with all of these it seems to me that there isnt too much threads going into the steering rack. is that dangerous? does anyone have a similar setup? ive searched, but not too much was mentioned about the safety factors. i will most likely be getting spl ends, because i read after i searched that kazamas were the same quality as kts. anyway is that dangerous?

naed240sx · 11-11-2006, 12:32 AM

The amount of engaged threads should be greater than or equal to the diameter of the threaded portion of the rod.

I know that most people run the spacers wth Z32 rods. It's possible that s14 rods just don't have the same length of threads. As long as you follow the above rule, you will be fine. Just remember to use loktite!.

Slidin240Wayz · 11-11-2006, 12:49 AM

I think you need S13 Inners.

Carlos

jy116 · 11-27-2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TKfoshori

I have spl tie rod spacers, s14 inner tie rods, and kazama s14 tie rod ends on my s13. with all of these it seems to me that there isnt too much threads going into the steering rack. is that dangerous? does anyone have a similar setup? ive searched, but not too much was mentioned about the safety factors. i will most likely be getting spl ends, because i read after i searched that kazamas were the same quality as kts. anyway is that dangerous?

Whats so bad about KTS/Kazama tie rod ends?

Also, I have a similar question about threads on the inner tie rod. Mine won't go any further to eliminate toe-in. I'm stuck at 0.03 and 0.05 inches toe-in. The tie rod ends are screwed all the way in. Seems like the only way to get more adjustment would be to take off the tie rod ends and cut off some threads from the inner rod... anyone done this? Any advice?

THNX MUCHO

!Zar! · 11-28-2006, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jy116

Whats so bad about KTS/Kazama tie rod ends?

Also, I have a similar question about threads on the inner tie rod. Mine won't go any further to eliminate toe-in. I'm stuck at 0.03 and 0.05 inches toe-in. The tie rod ends are screwed all the way in. Seems like the only way to get more adjustment would be to take off the tie rod ends and cut off some threads from the inner rod... anyone done this? Any advice?

THNX MUCHO

I had the problem with kazama inner/outer on my s14.

Falkon240 had the same problem with his s13.

You can remedy that by threading the nut onto the tierod then cutting off about 15~mm iirc each side.

Remove the nut to freshen up the newly cut threads.

Problem fixed.

chmercer · 11-28-2006, 02:37 AM

kazama/kts use aluminum buckles, the relativley soft aluminum threads can strip out under severe load. spl buckles are like super chromoly mega steel. also the heims on the kazama/kts suck, they get play in them really fast, at least the ones i have seen.

jy116 · 11-28-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by !Zar!

I had the problem with kazama inner/outer on my s14.

Falkon240 had the same problem with his s13.

You can remedy that by threading the nut onto the tierod then cutting off about 15~mm iirc each side.

Remove the nut to freshen up the newly cut threads.

Problem fixed.

Yeh, thats what I heard. So, since I'm too lazy to find out how hard it is to remove the inners after i used high strength lock-tite, would you recommend an angle grinder, or a dremel w/ reinforced cutoff? Also worried about how to support it while Im ripping through it at 12000 RPM, under the car, possibly on my back... or wedging btwn the front spindle and the fender well...

!Zar! · 11-28-2006, 01:24 PM

You could use a dremel with a reinforced fiber cutoff wheel.

I used an angle grinder.

When I cut I left the tierod attached to the steering rack.

As long as you go slow the tierod shouldn't try and jump around.

I guess you could have a jack under the tierod as you push down when cutting it.

Most any getto holding method should do the trick. Hopefully with all limbs in tack.

jy116 · 11-29-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chmercer

kazama/kts use aluminum buckles, the relativley soft aluminum threads can strip out under severe load. spl buckles are like super chromoly mega steel. also the heims on the kazama/kts suck, they get play in them really fast, at least the ones i have seen.

so the inner rod actually gets pulled out of all the threads on the aluminum collar/buckle? You know sumone this happened to? The buckle does seem a lil light weight... testimonies anyone? I'm sure drifting puts a lotta stress on it...

!Zar! · 11-29-2006, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jy116

so the inner rod actually gets pulled out of all the threads on the aluminum collar/buckle? You know sumone this happened to? The buckle does seem a lil light weight... testimonies anyone? I'm sure drifting puts a lotta stress on it...

I've heard from a few people who this happened to.

But all the people who had it happen to them were swining HUGE wheels.

16 and less should have no problem.

Unless you plan on curb surfing.

McRussellPants · 11-29-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jy116

so the inner rod actually gets pulled out of all the threads on the aluminum collar/buckle? You know sumone this happened to? The buckle does seem a lil light weight... testimonies anyone? I'm sure drifting puts a lotta stress on it...

Stewarts buckles bent and the heims were loose as hell.

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!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	You could use a dremel with a reinforced fiber cutoff wheel. I used an angle grinder. When I cut I left the tierod attached to the steering rack. As long as you go slow the tierod shouldn't try and jump around. I guess you could have a jack under the tierod as you push down when cutting it. Most any getto holding method should do the trick. Hopefully with all limbs in tack. __________________

11-11-2006, 12:32 AM	#2
naed240sx Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 206 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The amount of engaged threads should be greater than or equal to the diameter of the threaded portion of the rod. I know that most people run the spacers wth Z32 rods. It's possible that s14 rods just don't have the same length of threads. As long as you follow the above rule, you will be fine. Just remember to use loktite!.

11-28-2006, 02:37 AM	#6
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 39 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	kazama/kts use aluminum buckles, the relativley soft aluminum threads can strip out under severe load. spl buckles are like super chromoly mega steel. also the heims on the kazama/kts suck, they get play in them really fast, at least the ones i have seen.